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Lord Regent: Deacon Wulf wrote:
I so thought that you said "until they get the pet mechanics snorted"

Plenty people in the past have suggested I was 'on something', when I create characters.

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**Awards Snorter one "Get out of Undeath free" card**

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That doesn't actually let me go free, does it?

It just means if I die, I stay dead?

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Trixy Deacon.

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Snorter wrote:

That doesn't actually let me go free, does it?

It just means if I die, I stay dead?

You can go free... to the afterlife.

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EE Day 1

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Caldeathe Baequiannia wrote:
I'm pretty sure if you got involved in any way before they hit a million dollars, you're in on day one.

In my specific case, I pledged $35 during the Kickstarter, then upgraded later to the EE level for $65 more. I assumed this meant I would be EE month 2, because I didn't get EE during the kickstarter, but afterward.

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I'm in. Month 1, Week 1, EST, 3rd company slot reserved, bilingual(English/Spanish). :)

I like red-headed small humanoids, raiding towers, hiding from bandits, drinking in taverns, chasing kobolds, sharing cookies and long walks in the swamps...

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Giorgo wrote:

I'm in. Month 1, Week 1, EST, 3rd company slot reserved, bilingual(English/Spanish). :)

I like red-headed small humanoids, raiding towers, hiding from bandits, drinking in taverns, chasing kobolds, sharing cookies and long walks in the swamps...

Dwarves are almost small, as a merchant I'll be hiding quite a bit from bandits, dwarves do like to drink, and us LG types do like to share... I think we'll get along just fine. :)

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You can add my name to the list as well Hobs. This is a worthy endeavor. :)

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Shane Gifford of Fidelis wrote:
Caldeathe Baequiannia wrote:
I'm pretty sure if you got involved in any way before they hit a million dollars, you're in on day one.
In my specific case, I pledged $35 during the Kickstarter, then upgraded later to the EE level for $65 more. I assumed this meant I would be EE month 2, because I didn't get EE during the kickstarter, but afterward.

My bad. If you got involved in EE before the million dollar mark, you're in day one. (Not if you got involved in any way.)

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Giorgo wrote:
I like red-headed small humanoids, raiding towers, hiding from bandits, drinking in taverns, chasing kobolds, sharing cookies and long walks in the swamps...

Morbis and Giorgio,

Sitting in a tree,
K-I-S-S-I-N-G!

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I'd like to volunteer. EE day 1

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a worthy endeavor sir, count me in.

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Note - if you did not specifically say you were volunteering, I am not listing you currently (unless I already know personally you are interested), though a quick reply with your intention is all it would take to get added.

In order of original reply...

Hobs - month 1
Deianira
BraxtheSage
Bluddwolf
"The Goodfellow"
Ixiolander
Jazzlvraz - month 1
Harad Navar
Ezekial Krows - month 1
Gedichtewicht
Blaeringr
Lhan
Rufus UK
Shane Gifford of Fidelis - month 2
stagehog81
T7V Wexel Daventry
jericho616
Guurzak - month 2
Banesama
Duffy - month 1
Ragerock
Proxima Sin of Brighthaven
Sunnfire <Kabal> - Month 1 (Alpha)
Gol Morbis
Aet Kard Warstein - month 1
Dario - month 1
Snorter - month 1
Aet Khorvak McTiernan - month 1
Harad Navar - month 1
Giorgo - month 1
FMS Quietus
Feydred of Aeternum - month 1
Augir - month 1
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If I have missed anyone who posted previously, please forgive me and reply again, if you would. Those who see themselves listed but have no designated month of start time, you still need to tell me when you have access to the game.

Any others who would like to be added, please let me know with a reply to this thread, including your earliest game admission time (e.g. month 1, month 2, etc.).

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Month 1!

Goblinworks Executive Founder

I'll make the offer: As of now.

Granted, I only have about 15 hours of experience so far, so I'm not much better informed than any newbie.

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Proxima Sin of Brighthaven wrote:
Me too. This place needs more hot blondes.

Looks more like shot red head.

Like Caldeathe Baequiannia (a three letter name is a lot easier), I am not sure what I can help, but I would like to help. I do have experience with help lines, just not the ones you think of.

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Note - if you did not specifically say you were volunteering, I am not listing you currently (unless I already know personally you are interested), though a quick reply with your intention is all it would take to get added.

In order of original reply...

Hobs - month 1
Deianira
BraxtheSage
Bluddwolf
"The Goodfellow"
Ixiolander - month 1
Jazzlvraz - month 1
Harad Navar
Ezekial Krows - month 1
Gedichtewicht
Blaeringr
Lhan
Rufus UK
Shane Gifford of Fidelis - month 2
stagehog81
T7V Wexel Daventry
jericho616
Guurzak - month 2
Banesama
Duffy - month 1
Ragerock
Proxima Sin of Brighthaven
Sunnfire <Kabal> - Month 1 (Alpha)
Gol Morbis - month 1
Aet Kard Warstein - month 1
Dario - month 1
Snorter - month 1
Aet Khorvak McTiernan - month 1
Harad Navar - month 1
Giorgo - month 1
FMS Quietus - month 1
Feydred of Aeternum - month 1
Augir - month 1
DeciusBrutus - month 1 (Alpha)
Lam
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If I have missed anyone who posted previously, please forgive me and reply again, if you would. Those who see themselves listed but have no designated month of start time, you still need to tell me when you have access to the game.

Any others who would like to be added, please let me know with a reply to this thread, including your earliest game admission time (e.g. month 1, month 2, etc.).

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Month 1

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I should be Month 1 as well.


I'm in for Month 2. If pressed, though, I may claim I'm in with that "10% Evil" idea. Anything to avoid admitting my incompetence! :D

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KC, You may be in for month 2, but is that an actual request to be listed in the Guide Program?


No, I just wanted to spontaneously tell people about my status. #YOLO #hashitout

Yup. I'm in. :)

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Game already looks like it can get mighty complicated, and it's only in Alpha! Seems we'll need a guide program later on; good thing it's already in the works. :)

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Reading Between the Lines would like invite The Guide Program to our settlement Canis Castrum. We pledge to aid the Guides and their students as they explore the River Kingdoms. Any grass roots initiative that improves the player community should be a success!

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/flings in monkey wrench

A question for you Hobs,

Will guides refuse to escort noobs to settlements currently in an active feud or war?

I would not like to see the Guide Program exploited by a belligerent party, in order to provide safe escort for potential reinforcements.

I am not saying that the guide or the Guide Program would be held responsible for this exploitation, but I could also not allow for the noobs to freely travel to a settlement that is my current feud or war target either.

I think it would be best for the Guide Program not to interact in any with with a settlement currently in a hostile state.


@Bludd

That seems like a fairly agreeable concession. Should also avoid/caution against acting as a Guide if you are yourself in an active feud or war. At least when it comes to taking anyone outside the NPC cities.


Personally, I think such matters should be handled on a case-by-case basis. The Guide can make the situation clear to the newbie, but in a worst case scenario, two guys somehow make it past an army. Not much in the way of reinforcements.

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Bluddwolf wrote:
I think it would be best for the Guide Program not to interact in any with with a settlement currently in a hostile state.

Thanks, Thannon! :)

This is also handled in Hobs' post.

Hobs wrote:
Of course, this offer is only possible when the settlement in question is not in the middle of some disruptive or potentially dangerous situation (e.g. having new players scheduled to visit when either settlement does not have members available to escort them would not be feasible).

RBL (Canis Castrum) would put out an Embassy Alert to all active Guides that it is currently in a hostile state. Depending on the rules of engagement, we would also include the next available time we could invite students. An Embassy Alert system might also be beneficial for traveling diplomats too - maybe a viable 3rd CC channel.

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How would guides ever escort Newbies to Aragon as you plan to have multiple contracts supporting one side or another in Feuds and Wars. I do not see that Guides should make a policy of escorting newbies into conflict zones. Not WILL, not will NOT. It is up to the guide.

Guides should not be recruiting. Guides should not be forced to conflict zone. Newbies should be able to see conflict zone, after being informed about PvP. And newbie notified that guide may not participate (No WILL or will NOT to newbie). They are to know they are on their own in conflict zone. Guides may choose to accompany, but decision is not known to newbie as she enters conflict.

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I don't think it will ever come up, since Guides who misuse the guide program to avoid interdiction will be removed from the roster of Guides.

How to avoid dangerous areas is one of the more important things that the Guide program should be teaching; people will learn quickly enough whether or not they should use a bow.


Personally, I'd prefer that the guide be allowed to protect the newbie in a conflict area, with the understanding that:

1. Such actions do not reflect the policies Guide Program as a whole, and
2. These actions may still reflect poorly on the program and lead to the guide getting a stern talking-to at least, depending on the circumstances.

If the pair behave with legitimate neutrality but still get into a fight, that's one thing. If it seems that they have ulterior motives...well, like I said. Case-by-case.

But that's just me.

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Guides are about information. THere is an element of protection. But I do not see that guides required to protect newbies who chose to go into harm's way. At same time there may be some guides who wish to provide conflict guidance, but I do not see that as core. THat is more part of settlement guidance.

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Note - if you did not specifically say you were volunteering, I am not listing you currently (unless I already know personally you are interested), though a quick reply with your intention is all it would take to get added.

In order of original reply...

Hobs - month 1
Deianira
BraxtheSage
Bluddwolf
"The Goodfellow"
Ixiolander - month 1
Jazzlvraz - month 1
Harad Navar
Ezekial Krows - month 1
Gedichtewicht
Blaeringr
Lhan
Rufus UK
Shane Gifford of Fidelis - month 2
stagehog81
T7V Wexel Daventry
jericho616
Guurzak - month 2
Banesama - month 1
Duffy - month 1
Ragerock
Proxima Sin of Brighthaven
Sunnfire <Kabal> - Month 1 (Alpha)
Gol Morbis - month 1
Aet Kard Warstein - month 1
Dario - month 1
Snorter - month 1
Aet Khorvak McTiernan - month 1
Harad Navar - month 1
Giorgo - month 1
FMS Quietus - month 1
Feydred of Aeternum - month 1
Augir - month 1
DeciusBrutus - month 1 (Alpha)
Lam - month 1
Kobold Cleaver - month 2
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If I have missed anyone who posted previously, please forgive me and reply again, if you would. Those who see themselves listed but have no designated month of start time, you still need to tell me when you have access to the game.

Any others who would like to be added, please let me know with a reply to this thread, including your earliest game admission time (e.g. month 1, month 2, etc.).

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Kobold Cleaver - Forgive me if I seemed to miss your meaning. I'm being very careful not to assume that anyone intends to participate in the Guide Program. I've had one person request to be removed from the program (though they never actually posted a desire to be in it). I assume they had told me in passing, likely in a PM or on Team Speak, but I'm not leaving such things to my memory. A publicly posted statement of interest is far easier for me to track.

Bluddwolf - I welcome your question, for we need to work out all the possible scenarios, not just for our operation as a group, but to predict what is best for those we serve. After all, Guides may be the very first people new players meet, and as such, our integrity for being good representatives of the community and the game needs to be maintained.

Here are my thoughts on the comments others have made thus far, and likely on a few questions raised in my own mind while typing this reply.

Our Primary Duty:

As Lam has said, a Guide's primary duty is to educate. Given the steeper learning curve in a sandbox game, most new players will simply want questions answered about mechanics, ask after locations around the starter town, inquire about the function/features of same, etc. I suspect that the bulk of a Guide's work will never even see them leaving the starter town(s).

Escort - Beginning Harvesting & PvE:

Once new players are familiar with the UI and how to interact with the game world, I could see Guides showing them around the perimeter of the starter town, setting out on brief excursions for their first taste of harvesting and PvE. I see no reason why Guides should not be allowed to protect/heal their charges while doing so.

The Wider world:

Here is where the question arises - is the Guide still teaching or have they become a "party member"? If we go back to the first item on the list, the Guide's main roll is to educate. Part of living in a sandbox is learning to survive in a more dangerous world than theme-parks tend to be, especially for new players. My view is that once a player knows the basics, they need to start taking responsibility for their own education, as well as for the inherent risk associated with their game play style and choices. Guides should not become enablers of those who desire to be spoon fed information or unrealistic buffers to new player risk. We have volunteered to help with their first steps, but we must be mindful that a stronger community is forged by equally capable community members.

Settlement Visits:

When I first pitched the idea of Guide directed settlement visits to the leadership of Callambea and Golgotha, the need for an escort was to provide protection against two things:

a. The type of players who might be lurking on the outskirts of starter towns, waiting to prey on inexperienced, new players.

b. The mobs that are found in hexes nearby almost every settlement hex.

Both of these are dangers that new players will be poorly equipped (in arms or skill) to adequately defend against. A commitment from any settlement to safely escort the Guide and new players to their settlement so that they can experience first hand what settlements look like, how they function, etc., seems like a very worthwhile educational opportunity.

As I posted in that announcement, if settlements are currently experiencing feud or war combat in and around their settlements, this would be a poor time to accept such a visit, but let's deal with the "what ifs" one at a time (# 3-5 are my thoughts and not Guide program dogma, #1-2 seem more like common sandbox sense)...

1. Guides and their charges need to realize that traveling past the safety of the starter zone comes with inherent risk. Being a Guide or traveling with one is no guarantee of safety or privilege.

2. Though non-Guide players may attempt to escort Guides and their charges to a settlement, no one can ensure safe travel in an open world, PvP oriented game.

3. I would suggest - settlements actively experiencing Feuds or War activity in and around their settlement should not accept the request of Guides looking to escort new players to that settlement. If possible, the Guide should attempt to redirect their charges to another settlement also offering to host.

4. I would suggest - Guides who are part of a Company actively in a Feud or War with the settlement they plan to visit should network via the Guide program third company chat (I hope we have this option) to find another guide who is able to escort the new players to that settlement. To say that any Guide who's primary or secondary company is in a Feud or War state may not escort to any settlement seems rather unrealistic. The Guide should inform their party that there is possibility that the Guide could be attacked by an enemy player9s) they encounter en route, but that the new players need to refrain from getting involved. If the new players involve themselves, they should expect no special treatment. I would not allow Guides or their charges to hide behind some community-viewed immunity in such circumstances. Such an immunity in these situations could only lead to the temptation for abused.

5. I would suggest - new players who choose to go to a settlement to experience a state of Feud or War, do so at their own risk. I would further suggest that accompanying Guides remain totally neutral in their actions - neither lending aid nor defense to any parties involved or to their charges, who have chosen to take the risks involved. At this point, the new player has chosen to be involved in potential violence that the Guide Program cannot endorse nor be a party to and still remain impartial. the integrity of the Guide Program needs to remain intact, even over the needs/desires of individual Guides and new players.

Thoughts? Again, this is not my show...I just got the ball rolling.

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Lam wrote:
How would guides ever escort Newbies to Aragon as you plan to have multiple contracts supporting one side or another in Feuds and Wars.

@ Lam,

I will take this very specific question to the UNC Policy Thread.

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omnipotentseal wrote:
Reading Between the Lines would like invite The Guide Program to our settlement Canis Castrum. We pledge to aid the Guides and their students as they explore the River Kingdoms. Any grass roots initiative that improves the player community should be a success!

Thanks for the invitation of assistance for curious new players.

@Hobs, I think all of your points sounds reasonable. We do need to convey the risks ahead of time if/when the Guide leaves the starter areas with his charge, as not only is it informative (and informing is what the Guides look to do) but it also keeps people from getting hurt feelings if they request to leave the starter area with the Guide and they end up dying.

I think early game threading will likely remove any trouble that a noob would have with losing starter gear, so as long as we teach them how to thread there shouldn't be much issue with someone exploring.


Hobbs please add me to the guide list, Month 1.

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Hobs wrote:
If possible, the Guide should attempt to redirect their charges to another settlement also offering to host.

We will definitely add alternative settlement information to our Embassy Alerts.

Goblin Squad Member

Note - if you did not specifically say you were volunteering, I am not listing you currently (unless I already know personally you are interested), though a quick reply with your intention is all it would take to get added.

In order of original reply...

Hobs - month 1
Deianira
BraxtheSage
Bluddwolf
"The Goodfellow"
Ixiolander - month 1
Jazzlvraz - month 1
Harad Navar
Ezekial Krows - month 1
Gedichtewicht
Blaeringr
Lhan
Rufus UK
Shane Gifford of Fidelis - month 2
stagehog81
T7V Wexel Daventry
jericho616
Guurzak - month 2
Banesama - month 1
Duffy - month 1
Ragerock
Proxima Sin of Brighthaven
Sunnfire <Kabal> - Month 1 (Alpha)
Gol Morbis - month 1
Aet Kard Warstein - month 1
Dario - month 1
Snorter - month 1
Aet Khorvak McTiernan - month 1
Harad Navar - month 1
Giorgo - month 1
FMS Quietus - month 1
Feydred of Aeternum - month 1
Augir - month 1
DeciusBrutus - month 1 (Alpha)
Lam - month 1
Kobold Cleaver - month 2
Thannon Forsworn - month 1
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If I have missed anyone who posted previously, please forgive me and reply again, if you would. Those who see themselves listed but have no designated month of start time, you still need to tell me when you have access to the game.

Any others who would like to be added, please let me know with a reply to this thread, including your earliest game admission time (e.g. month 1, month 2, etc.).

Goblin Squad Member

DeciusBrutus wrote:

I don't think it will ever come up, since Guides who misuse the guide program to avoid interdiction will be removed from the roster of Guides.

How to avoid dangerous areas is one of the more important things that the Guide program should be teaching; people will learn quickly enough whether or not they should use a bow.

I need to be in alpha by next Thursday so I can make a bow cleric named Gary Stu.

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I would be interested in being part of this program. I will be in at month 1 and look forward to helping the community.

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Ms. Warstein, I'll add you as soon as we have any others to add as well. Thank you for your interest.

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Note - if you did not specifically say you were volunteering, I am not listing you currently (unless I already know personally you are interested), though a quick reply with your intention is all it would take to get added.

In order of original reply...

Hobs - month 1
Deianira
BraxtheSage
Bluddwolf
"The Goodfellow"
Ixiolander - month 1
Jazzlvraz - month 1
Harad Navar
Ezekial Krows - month 1
Gedichtewicht
Blaeringr
Lhan
Rufus UK
Shane Gifford of Fidelis - month 2
stagehog81
T7V Wexel Daventry
jericho616
Guurzak - month 2
Banesama - month 1
Duffy - month 1
Ragerock
Proxima Sin of Brighthaven
Sunnfire <Kabal> - Month 1 (Alpha)
Gol Morbis - month 1
Aet Kard Warstein - month 1
Dario - month 1
Snorter - month 1
Aet Khorvak McTiernan - month 1
Harad Navar - month 1
Giorgo - month 1
FMS Quietus - month 1
Feydred of Aeternum - month 1
Augir - month 1
DeciusBrutus - month 1 (Alpha)
Lam - month 1
Kobold Cleaver - month 2
Thannon Forsworn - month 1
Aet Therea Warstein - month 1
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If I have missed anyone who posted previously, please forgive me and reply again, if you would. Those who see themselves listed but have no designated month of start time, you still need to tell me when you have access to the game.

Any others who would like to be added, please let me know with a reply to this thread, including your earliest game admission time (e.g. month 1, month 2, etc.).

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Sending this back up, since we've been taking names. For all those who might be new and decide that this sounds like a valuable service to offer new players, feel free to reply.

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I hope lots of people are considering joining the guides. It seems like there might be need for the help.

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Please add me (month 2) :)

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Note - if you did not specifically say you were volunteering, I am not listing you currently (unless I already know personally you are interested), though a quick reply with your intention is all it would take to get added.

In order of original reply...

Hobs - month 1
Deianira
BraxtheSage
Bluddwolf
"The Goodfellow"
Ixiolander - month 1
Jazzlvraz - month 1
Harad Navar
Ezekial Krows - month 1
Gedichtewicht
Blaeringr
Lhan
Rufus UK
Shane Gifford of Fidelis - month 2
stagehog81
T7V Wexel Daventry
jericho616
Guurzak - month 2
Banesama - month 1
Duffy - month 1
Ragerock
Proxima Sin of Brighthaven
Sunnfire <Kabal> - Month 1 (Alpha)
Gol Morbis - month 1
Aet Kard Warstein - month 1
Dario - month 1
Snorter - month 1
Aet Khorvak McTiernan - month 1
Harad Navar - month 1
Giorgo - month 1
FMS Quietus - month 1
Feydred of Aeternum - month 1
Augir - month 1
DeciusBrutus - month 1 (Alpha)
Lam - month 1
Kobold Cleaver - month 2
Thannon Forsworn - month 1
Aet Therea Warstein - month 1
Aet Glaucopide - month 2
--------------

If I have missed anyone who posted previously, please forgive me and reply again, if you would. Those who see themselves listed but have no designated month of start time, you still need to tell me when you have access to the game.

Any others who would like to be added, please let me know with a reply to this thread, including your earliest game admission time (e.g. month 1, month 2, etc.).

Goblin Squad Member

Given the announced changes to EE starting times given in (this) blog, I have changed the old "month 2" starting times to month 1. Moving forward, those purchasing the Explorer Access Package will be designated as "month 2".

Note - If, after reading this thread, you decide that you would like to be Guide, please reply below. Likewise, if you originally voiced interest, but for whatever reason no longer wish to be listed, reply below and I will remove your name.

In order of original reply...

Hobs - month 1
Deianira
BraxtheSage
Bluddwolf
"The Goodfellow"
Ixiolander - month 1
Jazzlvraz - month 1
Harad Navar
Ezekial Krows - month 1
Gedichtewicht
Blaeringr
Lhan
Rufus UK
Shane Gifford of Fidelis - month 1
stagehog81
T7V Wexel Daventry
jericho616
Guurzak - month 1
Banesama - month 1
Duffy - month 1
Ragerock
Proxima Sin of Brighthaven
Sunnfire <Kabal> - Month 1 (Alpha)
Gol Morbis - month 1
Aet Kard Warstein - month 1
Dario - month 1
Snorter - month 1
Aet Khorvak McTiernan - month 1
Harad Navar - month 1
Giorgo - month 1
FMS Quietus - month 1
Feydred of Aeternum - month 1
Augir - month 1
DeciusBrutus - month 1 (Alpha)
Lam - month 1
Kobold Cleaver - month 1
Thannon Forsworn - month 1
Aet Therea Warstein - month 1
Aet Glaucopide - month 1

Once we get a few more answers about game mechanics, we'll be moving forward with Guide Program planning.

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