paizo.com Recent Posts in Rapid reload with Repeating Crossbowpaizo.com Recent Posts in Rapid reload with Repeating Crossbow2013-06-06T02:48:16Z2013-06-06T02:48:16ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating Crossbowdarth_borehdhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#332013-06-19T18:04:13Z2013-06-19T18:04:13Z<p>Yeah leaning them against a wall right at your feet (I'm picturing shooting from a castle wall) would seem reasonable to me to be close enough to grab if using Quickdraw. </p>
<p>Now we combine that with a series of repeating crossbows and you have the medieval machine gun.</p>Yeah leaning them against a wall right at your feet (I'm picturing shooting from a castle wall) would seem reasonable to me to be close enough to grab if using Quickdraw.
Now we combine that with a series of repeating crossbows and you have the medieval machine gun.darth_borehd2013-06-19T18:04:13ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating CrossbowPinky's Brainhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#322013-06-08T10:21:52Z2013-06-08T10:21:52Z<p>The problem with a second character is that there is no precedence for the action it takes to hand over weapons ... in the 3e days a good argument could be made for gloves of storing, but even that don't work any more. An extra appendage capable of holding a weapons is the only thing that works without a little help from the DM.</p>The problem with a second character is that there is no precedence for the action it takes to hand over weapons ... in the 3e days a good argument could be made for gloves of storing, but even that don't work any more. An extra appendage capable of holding a weapons is the only thing that works without a little help from the DM.Pinky's Brain2013-06-08T10:21:52ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating CrossbowCraig Frankumhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#312013-06-08T00:58:54Z2013-06-08T00:58:54Z<p>In some cases, crossbows were design with a small piece of metal that held pressure on the butt of a bolt to be able to load it ready to be fired and travel with it. When I generally play someone who uses a crossbow as their primary ranged weapon, I generally have them travel with the weapon in hand ready for the first shot. This is whether or not he continues using it or drops it for melee. </p>
<p>That said and to re-affirm an earlier statement, ALL ranged projectile (non-thrown) weapons require 2 hands to reload even if they only require 1 to fire.</p>
<p>Darth Borehd & DM Blake seem to have some fairly logical system worked out. I would suggest hirelings for the reload task. In real scenarios, squires or other assistants would reload crossbows and lean them against a wall or other fortification for the user to swiftly grab and fire. I see this as a viable option for the Crossbowman. With that, he would require 1 hireling for every attack he has available. This would also only be necessary for a heavy crossbow user who could not take advantage of full BAB.</p>In some cases, crossbows were design with a small piece of metal that held pressure on the butt of a bolt to be able to load it ready to be fired and travel with it. When I generally play someone who uses a crossbow as their primary ranged weapon, I generally have them travel with the weapon in hand ready for the first shot. This is whether or not he continues using it or drops it for melee.
That said and to re-affirm an earlier statement, ALL ranged projectile (non-thrown) weapons require 2...Craig Frankum2013-06-08T00:58:54ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating CrossbowDM_Blakehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#302013-06-07T22:02:44Z2013-06-07T22:02:44Z<p>Now you're onto something.</p>
<p>Of course, realists might point out that crossbows don't hold onto their ammo, so while you might be able to c-o-c-k a crossbow and then stick it onto the shooter, if you had put a bolt into that crossbow the bold would just fall off. </p>
<p>But RAW doesn't really cover this, and Quick Draw doesn't say anything about not using it with crossbows, so I could see this trick actually working. By RAW. It's ludicrous by, oh, I dunno, let's say verisimilitude, but RAW seems to be OK with it.</p>
<p>Of course, now you get your main guy shooting his full number of attacks and a bunch of loaders recycling the crossbows - you could have still just gone with Rapid Reload and let the shooter fire the same number of shots AND the reloaders could fire their own crossbows and, as a team, you would still attack more often.</p>Now you're onto something.
Of course, realists might point out that crossbows don't hold onto their ammo, so while you might be able to c-o-c-k a crossbow and then stick it onto the shooter, if you had put a bolt into that crossbow the bold would just fall off.
But RAW doesn't really cover this, and Quick Draw doesn't say anything about not using it with crossbows, so I could see this trick actually working. By RAW. It's ludicrous by, oh, I dunno, let's say verisimilitude, but RAW seems to...DM_Blake2013-06-07T22:02:44ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating Crossbowdarth_borehdhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#292013-06-07T21:45:04Z2013-06-07T21:09:35Z<p>How about this:</p>
<p>Shooter has quickdraw feat and just keeps drawing multiple loaded crossbows. He drops the empty ones as a free action. </p>
<p>Loaders keep loading the empty ones. Then use Sleight of Hand to place the loaded crossbows back on the shooter's person. </p>
<p>Would that work?</p>How about this:
Shooter has quickdraw feat and just keeps drawing multiple loaded crossbows. He drops the empty ones as a free action.
Loaders keep loading the empty ones. Then use Sleight of Hand to place the loaded crossbows back on the shooter's person.
Would that work?darth_borehd2013-06-07T21:09:35ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating CrossbowDM_Blakehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#282013-06-07T20:41:27Z2013-06-07T20:41:27Z<p>First, technically, that would be two move actions to get those two crossbows from the two loaders.</p>
<p>Second, the shooter would have ZERO move actions after firing his two light crossbows because that requires a Full-Attack action. So the soonest he could get those reloaded crossbows would be on his next round.</p>
<p>On that round (round 2), he will use two move actions to get them, so he won't fire. Maybe a generous GM would allow one move action to grab two crossbows that are being handed to him. Even so, he's already used one move action this round to get those crossbows so all he can do is fire ONE of them as a standard action. Next round (round 3) he could fire ONE more and use a move action to get two reloaded crossbows, and on the 4th round he could fire two again. </p>
<p>Accounting for a generous GM, he gets 6 shots every 4 rounds. Or, those two reloaders could each fire their own crossbows and everyone could shoot 4 times in 4 rounds for a total of 12 shots fired instead of only 6.</p>
<p>Still not efficient.</p>
<p>Maybe, if the reloaders are really low level and he shooter is higher level with an awesome DEX, PBS, Precise Shot, etc., maybe having him shoot 6 shots might have more hits and more total damage than him only firing 4 shots and his buddies missing with 8 of their own shots. In that case, go for it. Or just give the high level shooter a light crossbow and Rapid Reload and let him shoot several times every round (Rapid Shot, iteratives, Haste, whatever) and he will still get way more than 6 shots every 4 rounds AND his buddies can still fire their own weapons and hope for natural 20s.</p>First, technically, that would be two move actions to get those two crossbows from the two loaders.
Second, the shooter would have ZERO move actions after firing his two light crossbows because that requires a Full-Attack action. So the soonest he could get those reloaded crossbows would be on his next round.
On that round (round 2), he will use two move actions to get them, so he won't fire. Maybe a generous GM would allow one move action to grab two crossbows that are being handed to him....DM_Blake2013-06-07T20:41:27ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating Crossbowdarth_borehdhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#272013-06-07T20:36:24Z2013-06-07T20:36:24Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Vamptastic wrote:</div><blockquote> What if there are multiple crossbows involved? </blockquote><p>Let's say you have two light crossbows and two loaders with Rapid Reload.
<p>The shooter shoots with a crossbow in each hand. 2 shots</p>
<p>Drops the crossbows, gets a crossbow from each loader as a move action (or would it be two move actions??).</p>
<p>Fires two shots again using Two Weapon fighting. </p>
<p>Repeat.</p>Vamptastic wrote:What if there are multiple crossbows involved?
Let's say you have two light crossbows and two loaders with Rapid Reload. The shooter shoots with a crossbow in each hand. 2 shots
Drops the crossbows, gets a crossbow from each loader as a move action (or would it be two move actions??).
Fires two shots again using Two Weapon fighting.
Repeat.darth_borehd2013-06-07T20:36:24ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating CrossbowRedDogMThttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#262013-06-07T18:57:35Z2013-06-07T18:57:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">darth_borehd wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">strayshift wrote:</div><blockquote><p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JToxcNxED5I</p>
<p>And youtube!
<br />
</blockquote><p>"This was a peasant's weapon. It took no particular skill to use it."
<p>I guess the exotic weapon proficiency is inappropriate then?</p>
<p></blockquote><p>My impressions are that (besides game balance), some weapons are exotic because they are less common or from different cultures. IMO, a repeating crossbow should be martial in Tian Xia and exotic everywhere else...but the game does not set up weapon skills in that way.darth_borehd wrote:strayshift wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JToxcNxED5I
And youtube!
"This was a peasant's weapon. It took no particular skill to use it." I guess the exotic weapon proficiency is inappropriate then?
My impressions are that (besides game balance), some weapons are exotic because they are less common or from different cultures. IMO, a repeating crossbow should be martial in Tian Xia and exotic everywhere else...but the game does not set up weapon skills in that way.RedDogMT2013-06-07T18:57:35ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating CrossbowDM_Blakehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#252013-06-07T18:57:33Z2013-06-07T18:57:33Z<p>Still a move action to "pick up an item" as you receive the crossbow from any one of the multiple loaders. For the shooter, it doesn't matter if it's the same crossbow reloaded rapidly or different crossbows, it's a move action each time he receives a crossbow, which interferes with Full-Attack actions and limits him to one shot every round. He might as well reload it himself and fire once per round (light crossbow or heavy crossbow with Rapid Reload) and let those reloaders load and fire their own crossbows instead.</p>Still a move action to "pick up an item" as you receive the crossbow from any one of the multiple loaders. For the shooter, it doesn't matter if it's the same crossbow reloaded rapidly or different crossbows, it's a move action each time he receives a crossbow, which interferes with Full-Attack actions and limits him to one shot every round. He might as well reload it himself and fire once per round (light crossbow or heavy crossbow with Rapid Reload) and let those reloaders load and fire...DM_Blake2013-06-07T18:57:33ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating CrossbowVamptastichttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#242013-06-07T18:50:37Z2013-06-07T18:50:37Z<p>What if there are multiple crossbows involved?</p>What if there are multiple crossbows involved?Vamptastic2013-06-07T18:50:37ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating CrossbowDM_Blakehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#232013-06-07T18:43:33Z2013-06-07T18:43:33Z<p>Handing it is essentially dropping it, assuming the other guy is ready to take it (otherwise it's a move action to place an item somewhere in an adjacent square). But being the guy to receive it is like drawing a weapon or, more accurately, picking one up from an adjacent square - this is a move action. Assuming they are readying actions to synchronize their movements, you still get all kinds of weirdness and loss of actions:</p>
<p>Shooter: fires as standard action, hands crossbow to loader as a free action, readies action to receive loaded crossbow.
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Loader: uses move action to receive crossbow, loads as a standard or move action, hands crossbow to shooter as a free action, ends turn.
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Shooter: uses readied action to receive crossbow, ends turn.</p>
<p>Two guys, one shot. If the shooter has iterative attacks, he won't be able to use them because he is never taking a Full Attack action to fire his crossbow. The same guy could do that himself reloading as a move action with a light crossbow or a heavy crossbow with Rapid Reload, so the other guy could do it too and they could each fire one bolt. </p>
<p>If the loader has Rapid Reload, he might even be able to load as a free action, which would leave him a standard action to do whatever he wants (say, a spell caster who can use his standard action to blast an enemy). In this case, they lose no significant actions, but they're still only getting one shot and one spell. The same two guys could have done that without Rapid Reload or, if the shooter has that feat, he could fire heavy crossbows or fire more than once per round.</p>
<p>I dunno, maybe there is some teamwork feat for this, or someone could make one, but without that, it's inefficient by the rules.</p>Handing it is essentially dropping it, assuming the other guy is ready to take it (otherwise it's a move action to place an item somewhere in an adjacent square). But being the guy to receive it is like drawing a weapon or, more accurately, picking one up from an adjacent square - this is a move action. Assuming they are readying actions to synchronize their movements, you still get all kinds of weirdness and loss of actions:
Shooter: fires as standard action, hands crossbow to loader as a...DM_Blake2013-06-07T18:43:33ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating Crossbowdarth_borehdhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#222013-06-07T18:27:18Z2013-06-07T18:27:18Z<p>What kind of action is it to hand a weapon to another person?</p>
<p>If one character reloads one crossbow and passes it to another character to fire, who passes an empty one back to be reloaded, would that work?</p>What kind of action is it to hand a weapon to another person?
If one character reloads one crossbow and passes it to another character to fire, who passes an empty one back to be reloaded, would that work?darth_borehd2013-06-07T18:27:18ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating CrossbowLazarXhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#212013-06-07T17:27:16Z2013-06-07T17:27:16Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Joey Virtue wrote:</div><blockquote> That makes no sense you can rapid reload a gun but not a repeating crossbow </blockquote><p>It's your comparison that's off. The standard gun is a one chamber one shot weapon, not your Wild West Colt six shooter which is an advanced weapon, which you wouldn't need this feat for. The repeating crossbow is a magazine fed ranged weapon. It's essentially the colt revolver of crossbows.Joey Virtue wrote:That makes no sense you can rapid reload a gun but not a repeating crossbow
It's your comparison that's off. The standard gun is a one chamber one shot weapon, not your Wild West Colt six shooter which is an advanced weapon, which you wouldn't need this feat for. The repeating crossbow is a magazine fed ranged weapon. It's essentially the colt revolver of crossbows.LazarX2013-06-07T17:27:16ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating CrossbowVamptastichttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#202013-06-07T17:24:00Z2013-06-07T17:24:00Z<p>I think that's a terrific idea.</p>I think that's a terrific idea.Vamptastic2013-06-07T17:24:00ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating CrossbowDM_Blakehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#192013-06-07T17:06:17Z2013-06-07T17:06:17Z<p>Or you could try this solution:</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">DM_Blake wrote:</div><blockquote> Then again, one could go really far out in a world with all kinds of magic and monsters. Maybe your heavy crossbow has little pixies that live in the stock. After you fire it they come out and c-o-c-k it and reload it for you (their action, not yours, so you can fire once per round). Teach them Rapid Reload and fire lots of times per round. Heck, those little Tinkerbells might even get under the stock and flap their wings to lift it, ever so much, just enough that it doesn't feel so heavy. Now you can use iterative attacks and Rapid Shot with a heavy crossbow with just one hand without even the usual -2 penalty to hit! </blockquote><p>So, who needs repeating crossbows when you could have trained crossbow pixies?Or you could try this solution:
DM_Blake wrote:Then again, one could go really far out in a world with all kinds of magic and monsters. Maybe your heavy crossbow has little pixies that live in the stock. After you fire it they come out and c-o-c-k it and reload it for you (their action, not yours, so you can fire once per round). Teach them Rapid Reload and fire lots of times per round. Heck, those little Tinkerbells might even get under the stock and flap their wings to lift it, ever so...DM_Blake2013-06-07T17:06:17ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating CrossbowVamptastichttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#182013-06-07T19:05:03Z2013-06-07T16:53:35Z<p>Have a monkey animal companion, whose only job is to reload your crossbows.</p>Have a monkey animal companion, whose only job is to reload your crossbows.Vamptastic2013-06-07T16:53:35ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating CrossbowDM_Blakehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#172013-06-07T16:49:16Z2013-06-07T16:49:16Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Joey Virtue wrote:</div><blockquote> I want to be a dual wielder and you cant do that with light only hand crossbows </blockquote><p>There is no way to dual wield any kind of crossbow. Non-repeating crossbows require two free hands to load every bolt. Repeating crossbows require two hands to fire (well, one hand to fire if you want, but two hands to reload each bolt).
<div class="messageboard-quotee">CRB, Repeating Crossbow wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Load: As long as it holds bolts, you can reload it by pulling the <b>reloading lever</b> (a free action). Loading a new case of 5 bolts is a full-round action that provokes attacks of opportunity.</p>
<p>Note: The repeating crossbow (whether heavy or light) holds 5 crossbow bolts. You can fire a repeating crossbow with one hand or fire a repeating crossbow in each hand in the same manner as you would a normal crossbow of the same size. <b>However, you must fire the weapon with two hands in order to use the reloading lever</b>, and you must use two hands to load a new case of bolts.</blockquote><p>So there really is no way to dual wield any crossbow, not even repeating crossbows. Unless you have extra arms, or prehensile tails or hair, or some other abnormality that would let you reload them without using the hands that are holding them.Joey Virtue wrote:I want to be a dual wielder and you cant do that with light only hand crossbows
There is no way to dual wield any kind of crossbow. Non-repeating crossbows require two free hands to load every bolt. Repeating crossbows require two hands to fire (well, one hand to fire if you want, but two hands to reload each bolt). CRB, Repeating Crossbow wrote:Load: As long as it holds bolts, you can reload it by pulling the reloading lever (a free action). Loading a new case of 5 bolts...DM_Blake2013-06-07T16:49:16ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating Crossbowstrayshifthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#162013-06-07T16:32:49Z2013-06-07T16:32:49Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">darth_borehd wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">strayshift wrote:</div><blockquote><p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JToxcNxED5I</p>
<p>And youtube!
<br />
</blockquote><p>"This was a peasant's weapon. It took no particular skill to use it."
<p>I guess the exotic weapon proficiency is inappropriate then?</p>
<p></blockquote><p>Seems quite 'simple' to operate to me...darth_borehd wrote:strayshift wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JToxcNxED5I
And youtube!
"This was a peasant's weapon. It took no particular skill to use it." I guess the exotic weapon proficiency is inappropriate then?
Seems quite 'simple' to operate to me...strayshift2013-06-07T16:32:49ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating CrossbowConundrumhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#152013-06-07T15:22:33Z2013-06-07T15:22:33Z<p>Yeah no dual wielding xbows for full attacks unless you grew a third arm for reloading or abuse the weapon cord description.</p>Yeah no dual wielding xbows for full attacks unless you grew a third arm for reloading or abuse the weapon cord description.Conundrum2013-06-07T15:22:33ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating Crossbowdarth_borehdhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#142013-06-07T15:18:34Z2013-06-07T15:18:34Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">strayshift wrote:</div><blockquote><p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JToxcNxED5I</p>
<p>And youtube!
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</blockquote><p>"This was a peasant's weapon. It took no particular skill to use it."
<p>I guess the exotic weapon proficiency is inappropriate then?</p>strayshift wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JToxcNxED5I
And youtube!
"This was a peasant's weapon. It took no particular skill to use it." I guess the exotic weapon proficiency is inappropriate then?darth_borehd2013-06-07T15:18:34ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating CrossbowThrundhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#132013-06-07T09:40:22Z2013-06-07T09:40:22Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Joey Virtue wrote:</div><blockquote> I want to be a dual wielder and you cant do that with light only hand crossbows </blockquote><p>You can't do it with hand crossbows either. They only take one hand to fire but still take both to reload.Joey Virtue wrote:I want to be a dual wielder and you cant do that with light only hand crossbows
You can't do it with hand crossbows either. They only take one hand to fire but still take both to reload.Thrund2013-06-07T09:40:22ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating CrossbowJoey Virtuehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#122013-06-06T07:16:19Z2013-06-06T07:16:19Z<p>I want to be a dual wielder and you cant do that with light only hand crossbows</p>I want to be a dual wielder and you cant do that with light only hand crossbowsJoey Virtue2013-06-06T07:16:19ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating CrossbowDM_Blakehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#112013-06-06T06:47:47Z2013-06-06T06:47:47Z<p>Then go with a light crossbow, and reload it as a FREE action forever. One bolt, 50 bolts, 5 million bolts, all free. No "clips", no hassle.</p>Then go with a light crossbow, and reload it as a FREE action forever. One bolt, 50 bolts, 5 million bolts, all free. No "clips", no hassle.DM_Blake2013-06-06T06:47:47ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating CrossbowJoey Virtuehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#102013-06-06T01:52:32Z2013-06-06T01:52:32Z<p>But I want to Qualify for Crossbow Master but I have to get rapid reload</p>But I want to Qualify for Crossbow Master but I have to get rapid reloadJoey Virtue2013-06-06T01:52:32ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Rapid reload with Repeating Crossbowmcbobbohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ptwt?Rapid-reload-with-Repeating-Crossbow#92013-06-05T15:51:11Z2013-06-05T15:51:11Z<p>Since heavy reload is full round and repeating reload is also full round, you're getting like for like. It should fly, if nothing else as a custom version of the feat specific to repeaters.</p>Since heavy reload is full round and repeating reload is also full round, you're getting like for like. It should fly, if nothing else as a custom version of the feat specific to repeaters.mcbobbo2013-06-05T15:51:11Z