Pathfinder Adventure Path #121: The Lost Outpost (Ruins of Azlant 1 of 6) (PFRPG)

[Samy]

I'm really tempted to rejigger flavor so that the Azlanti dwelled on the east coast of Arcadia which got devastated. Remove the "sunken continent" between Avistan and Arcadia, and instead just make it sunken isles off the coast of Arcadia. I'm really getting a Bahamas flavor off this adventure.

[Thurston Hillman]

Tee hee hee...

Spoiler:

I for one can't wait to see people's reaction to the art on page 38 along with the potential implications. That is something I really tried to champion and ended up becoming a really integral and amazing connecting piece that Jim and I conspired on. You know, despite the whole being on opposite ends of the AP thing! :)

[Othniel]

I was hoping for a max of 1 underwater encounter per book, but it sounds like there are going to be a lot more. I like the concept of underwater adventuring, but the rules are pretty darn onerous. I may skip the rest of this AP. :(

[Nick O'Connell]

Who is the fourth iconic? I know Valeros is one of them.

[Samy]

Ezren is depicted twice in the adventure chapter. Jirelle once in the ecology chapter. Crowe and Imrijka in the bestiary chapter.

So I think the answer is Ezren. Ezren, Valeros, Kyra and Merisiel. Talk about old school. All-Core Iconics.

[Feros]

Also Wizard, Fighter, Cleric, Rogue. The first four character classes of the entire game.

[Samy]

Good point.

Has there been any AP with no Core iconics?

[Doctor Raziel Windrunner]

Thurston Hillman wrote:

Tee hee hee...

** spoiler omitted **

Where have I seen that helmet before... :)

[Captain collateral damage]

There are FLYING TURTLES.
My life is now complete.

[Thomas Seitz]

I'm happy with flying celestial type turtle agathions. :)

[Samy]

Department of Expectation Mgmt notes:
the turtle agathion does not fly
the turtle companion does

[Thomas Seitz]

Aw. I wanted a flying agathion turtle!

[quibblemuch]

♫Gaaaaammmmerrraaaa♫

[Samy]

Thomas Seitz wrote:

Aw. I wanted a flying agathion turtle!

Well, the agathion can dimension door at-will, so theoretically it could simulate flight by teleporting from air to air in sufficiently small steps?

[Isabelle Lee]

Yeah, chelonidals don't do the "air" thing. Not their style.

[DeciusNero]

The page scroll is cool, and am dogging the beasties.

one makes me want to declare:

Gentleman, behold...CORN

[Dragon78]

I like designs of the page designs with plants, dragon headed serpents, etc.

[Thomas Seitz]

So I guess there won't be a Player's Guide PDF yet huh?

[Gorbacz]

Thomas Seitz wrote:

So I guess there won't be a Player's Guide PDF yet huh?

It will be when it's done.

[Diekssus]

Thomas Seitz wrote:

So I guess there won't be a Player's Guide PDF yet huh?

its not going to be here before next week

[GM PDK]

Diekssus wrote:

Thomas Seitz wrote:

So I guess there won't be a Player's Guide PDF yet huh?

its not going to be here before next week

Yes. If you start the campaign now you'll have to allow your players to retroactively change one trait.

[Samy]

You shouldn't start a campaign before having all the chapters anyway.

[Myrryr]

Sooo...

Spoiler:

I'm kind of curious, why didn't the first colony bring along a lyre of building and one person who had some ranks in perform string? I get that the item is relatively expensive, but it's certainly not as expensive as the amount of time needed to construct things with settlers by hand, and being funded by Andoran and various others, they could definitely afford it. It wouldn't have really changed the first colony's fate, but it would've left a rather nice prize for the PC's to find later.

[Master Pugwampi]

Thomas Seitz wrote:

So I guess there won't be a Player's Guide PDF yet huh?

Here's your torch and newly sharpened pitchfork! The mob is organizing by the water cooler!

:D

[cappadocius]

Myrryr wrote:

Sooo...

** spoiler omitted **

Why isn't any D&D setting a magitech utopia?

[Gorbacz]

Samy wrote:

You shouldn't start a campaign before having all the chapters anyway.

This. It is only after you have all 6 episodes that you can read it in entirety, figure out the flow, identify critical NPCs/themes/elements, modify it to suit your group etc.

[ErisAcolyte-Chaos jester]

First, who said they didn't. The aboleths aren't exactly stupid, and likely stole that first. After all, it slows down the build process, and having a person with perform song could likely be useful for using a magical fascination harp later to lure more colonists.

Second, there is a lot of water between the inner sea and the colonies. A number of things could have happened during that trip, like storms, sea monsters, Pirates, or disease. Who is to say they didn't have one and they perished or dies for whatever reason. Or the harp was lost.

3rd, game balance. Give the players a super powerful item early, you take the balance and snap it in twain.

But if you want to include it in your game, it's your choice ultimately.

As for me, the lyre of building is probably resting in the hands of a poor unfortunate soul. In pain, in need. Being held hostage by some crazy sea beastie who has become enchanted by his voice and now want's to keep them close so she can keep hearing his songs. And when he grows old and sick and can no longer sing, or the courds he strums no longer satisfy her, she might keep the lyre as a keepsake, and discard the remains left from her latest fallen love.

[GM PDK]

Gorbacz wrote:

Samy wrote:

You shouldn't start a campaign before having all the chapters anyway.

This. It is only after you have all 6 episodes that you can read it in entirety, figure out the flow, identify critical NPCs/themes/elements, modify it to suit your group etc.

Flow is overrated. Wing it immediately is the way to go. :P

Also,

Lyre of Building:

Once a week, its strings can be strummed so as to produce chords that magically construct buildings, mines, tunnels, ditches, etc. The effect produced in 30 minutes of playing is equal to the work of 100 humans laboring for 3 days. Each hour after the first, a character playing the lyre must make a DC 18 Perform (string instruments) check. If it fails, she must stop and cannot play the lyre again for this purpose until a week has passed.

...so, are people counting all the work necessary to mill the lumber, make the tools, quarry the stones, and transport them to location when they tally all these work hours? also, playing the lute for more than two hours may cause some fingers to bleed at some point, or at least require Endurance, if one is to believe what musicians look like after a few hours... [had a url, but removed it before posting as it cannot be unseen in my mind now....]

[Thomas Seitz]

Puggy,

I'm not much for pitchforks and torches. *cast light spell*

[WormysQueue]

Gorbacz wrote:

This. It is only after you have all 6 episodes that you can read it in entirety, figure out the flow, identify critical NPCs/themes/elements, modify it to suit your group etc.

I generally agree for table games, but as for PbP, you're probably good starting immediately as you'll get the follow-up issues long before you have proceeded to far into the first adventure.

And what PDK said.

[AnimatedPaper]

Samy wrote:

Good point.

Has there been any AP with no Core iconics?

Off the top of my head, Strange Aeons was Witch, Investigator, Oracle, and Medium.

[Charles Scholz]

When will the player's guide be available?

[Master Pugwampi]

Charles Scholz wrote:

When will the player's guide be available?

Soon™.

If this is not soon enough—and you are feeling a large unending nerd-rage—may I offer you something from this fine selection of torches and pitchforks? ;)

[Feros]

Charles Scholz wrote:

When will the player's guide be available?

Seriously though, Adam said there might be a delay:

Adam Daigle wrote:

...

Fair warning for this time: With us getting a bunch of products and assorted things together for GenCon, we are pretty strained for resources, so there's a chance that this one might slip to past GenCon. I'm hoping that doesn't happen, but there's a strong chance it might and I wanted folks to know that.

So hopefully soon...ish. :)

[Zaister]

Curious, there's a spurious link to an external document on page 3 of the PDF, in the credits section.

[Adam Daigle]

Zaister wrote:

Curious, there's a spurious link to an external document on page 3 of the PDF, in the credits section.

I don't know if this is what you're talking about, because I only just noticed this while looking at my PDF, but it looks like you can click on my email address under my name at the end of the foreword and it opens an email (to me). Odd. I've never noticed that.

[Master Pugwampi]

Adam Daigle wrote:

Zaister wrote:

Curious, there's a spurious link to an external document on page 3 of the PDF, in the credits section.

I don't know if this is what you're talking about, because I only just noticed this while looking at my PDF, but it looks like you can click on my email address under my name at the end of the foreword and it opens an email (to me). Odd. I've never noticed that.

OK! I've located a quick and easy place for the mob to get the message through! Follow me!

*heads for PDF link*

>;)

[Zaister]

Adam Daigle wrote:

Zaister wrote:

Curious, there's a spurious link to an external document on page 3 of the PDF, in the credits section.

I don't know if this is what you're talking about, because I only just noticed this while looking at my PDF, but it looks like you can click on my email address under my name at the end of the foreword and it opens an email (to me). Odd. I've never noticed that.

No, I was talkig about the credits page, where it says "Interior Artists...". The word "Artists" is highlighted with green background and responds to being clicked.

Interesting thing about the email address, I checked some older books and that has been clickable for quite some while.

EDIT: In fact, since "Burnt Offerings".

[Feros]

Zaister wrote:

Adam Daigle wrote:

Zaister wrote:

Curious, there's a spurious link to an external document on page 3 of the PDF, in the credits section.

I don't know if this is what you're talking about, because I only just noticed this while looking at my PDF, but it looks like you can click on my email address under my name at the end of the foreword and it opens an email (to me). Odd. I've never noticed that.

No, I was talkig about the credits page, where it says "Interior Artists...". The word "Artists" is highlighted with green background and responds to being clicked.

Interesting thing about the email address, I checked some older books and that has been clickable for quite some while.

EDIT: In fact, since "Burnt Offerings".

Looks like someone left an editing link active in the PDF. One designed to make sure they spelled the artists' names correctly.

[nighttree]

I have been waiting for the PG to determine if I could pull of an atypical character concept in this AP....

Without spoiling anything, does anyone see it as possible to include a somewhat mercenary Skum in this ?

Or are their just aspects that will make it too difficult ?

[Samy]

Pretty much everything will depend on whether the East India Company (cough) will see you as trustworthy. If he's got a trustworthy reputation and good references, I can see a skum (or any monster) being employed by the company, although they would very likely incur a lot of mistrust and probably racism from pretty much all NPCs.

[Gorbacz]

Also, skum ain't no 0-hd race.

[Samy]

Good point, that of course would need to be hashed out.

[Adam Daigle]

The Player's Guide is up!

[Adam Daigle]

nighttree wrote:

I have been waiting for the PG to determine if I could pull of an atypical character concept in this AP....

Without spoiling anything, does anyone see it as possible to include a somewhat mercenary Skum in this ?

Or are their just aspects that will make it too difficult ?

Personally, I think it's a terrible idea, but I've seen weirder things happen at various tables.

[Master Pugwampi]

Adam Daigle wrote:

The Player's Guide is up!

Ahhhh. Way to spoil a gremlin's fun!

*kicks dirt and shuffles off with a slump*

[Thomas Seitz]

Don't worry Puggy. I still love you. ;)

Also I never bring torches and pitchforks, just hugs! ;)

[Samy]

So, is there good thread somewhere on the forums that really summarizes the different options to get swim speed/water breathing?

[Adam Daigle]

Samy wrote:

So, is there good thread somewhere on the forums that really summarizes the different options to get swim speed/water breathing?

The Player's Guide has some suggestions on that.

Off Topic:

I did a pretty comprehensive search of existing material that involved aquatic options as I prepared the Player's Guide, but I didn't want to saturate that document with all I found, because not all of it fit the flavor of the narrative I had in my head and I didn't want to scare people off from this AP thinking it was gonna be all underwater all the time. If I can catch a breath in the near future, I might just infodump some of that on a thread here or a google doc or something.

[Samy]

Yeah I read the players' guide and wanted some more options. Would love to see your infodump at some point.