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All I care is that I don't use the 360 with xb live now because I don't like most online gaming. If I want to download something I plug-in and go on Xbox live....that has happened maybe 4-5 times in 3 years.
Now I HAVE to either make an effort EVERY SINGLE DAY to hookup and allow my machine to access the internet, or I have to leave my One hooked up constantly to the internet...the same net that hackers love hacking into just to prove a point...the ones that like pulling naked pics off of peoples' phones...and I am gonna provide them with a camera that can see in the dark.
I see this as a major problem and with MS saying "don't get hacked" I don't feel confident that they are going to be very concerned about it. Sh!t they can't make a computer operating system that doesn't need constant downloads to keep it functional and somewhat safe from viruses and hackers....so what am I expected to firewall and antivirus my $500 game system now?!?
I don't want to. I don't want to worry about some A$$hole trying to peep on me from the net with my spy camera. I just want to play the new Elder Scrolls and not worry about how many "updates" are downloaded into my XB1.
I don't want to HAVE to hook up to the net. Ever.
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So those reports that Microsoft will be providing a way for deployed service members to avoid the once-a-day connection requirement are just going to be ignored for the sake of amateur-hour, sensationalist reporting?
I don't know what I expected.
The fact that they would have to do this is the news, Scott.
The "Once-a-day" connection isn't a benefit to the customer. It is a hinderence. The fact they they are going to waive that hinderence isn't any more interesting than senior citizens getting free parking vouchers when the city decides to make a free parking area not free anymore.
The issues is that you have to pay to park, not that seniors can apply for a voucher to not pay.
The issue here is XBox is going to make customers check in daily to make sure we are all behaving ourselves. Presumably so they can ban us when we don't.
Which is particularly troubling when they also aren't actually letting us own our games library.
Daddy Microsoft with the always on kinect that checks in on us once a day and will take our games if we are bad.
At 100 bucks more than the competition.
Sounds great! (S)
Also, since it will obviously it will come up... PS3 allows you to make internal memory cards on the system to save the older games. IIRC, even the ones that can't play PS2 games allow you to make PS2 memory "cards"; maybe you can download PS2 games from the PS store?
Yes, you can. (They even have Fatal Frame 1 & 2 on the PS Store... hopefully #3 shows up as well...)
In any case, it's not hard to do at all. Just a shame this gen's consoles didn't have actual card slots, makes it a lot harder / impossible to bring save game files over to a friend's place.
Not impossible. You can copy save-game files to USB memory sticks and bring them over to a friend's place (and first-gen PS3s also have SD card slots). Sony also released an official USB PS1/PS2 memory card converter to attach to PS3s, copying PS1 & PS2 save files to and from the PS1/PS2 memory cards and the PS3. Works like a charm.
And yes, the Suikoden 1-2 save thing works.
So those reports that Microsoft will be providing a way for deployed service members to avoid the once-a-day connection requirement are just going to be ignored for the sake of amateur-hour, sensationalist reporting?
There are no such reports with any credibility whatsoever. Stop pretending there are.
Literally the third result of a Google search for "Xbox One military".
That report is old, outdated and supersceded by the more recent, direct and repeated comments by named Microsoft representatives saying there is currently no solution at hand (and there is no indication given of there being one in the works) and at the moment the military will not be able to use the XB1.
That's an MMO, not a true Elder Scrolls game. The next ES will be in Hammerfell.
The next Bethesda game will be FALLOUT 4, likely out in late 2014 or sometime in 2015. On that basis ELDER SCROLLS VI will likely not be out until 2016 at the earliest and more likely to be later. Certainly no location has been specified, and fans seem to be more convinced it'll be in the Aldmari Dominion (Summerset Isle, Elseweyr etc) and will continue the tension/war storyline from SKYRIM, though I'm not convinced by that.
So... XBone* has certainly made a mess. I didn't intend to buy one, but all of the problems arising about constant internet connection, Kinect, and various other problems that could have easily been avoided or side stepped are forcing me into a position to never buy one. This is my entertainment, I don't want to pay constant fee's, feel watched, and actually have trouble relaxing.
As a side note, If PS4 is backwards compatible with PS3 then I can access a games library I haven't had access to because I never had a PS3. That's a pretty nice gig! On the downside, Xbox 1 refusing to be means some xbox exclusives could fade from history, which is a pretty big downside I think. Also means some of the games I did play on it I won't be able to again, and I do love my nostalgia. Emulators aren't the same as playing on a console and dusting off physical property imo.
* Am I the only one bothered by that reading as X-Bone?
So far I've seen no mention of PS4 being backwards compatible, so don't get your hopes up.
So far I've seen no mention of PS4 being backwards compatible, so don't get your hopes up.Depends on what they do with Gaikai.
Aye, I said if for a reason. I can wish can't I?
Did I miss something what is Gaikai?
*EDIT* never mind seems its sonys answer for cloud gaming...awesome. That takes me one more step toward PS4
So far I've seen no mention of PS4 being backwards compatible, so don't get your hopes up.
The PS4 is not backwards compatible (in the most-common-up-to-now usage of the phrase). I.e. you can't play your existing purchased game library (discs or digital) from past PlayStations on the PS4.
Gaikai may allow people to play games made for past systems, but very likely at a price (i.e. you don't get 'free' access to games you may already own - you're in some way paying for something you may already own).
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So far I've seen no mention of PS4 being backwards compatible, so don't get your hopes up.Depends on what they do with Gaikai.
Cloud gaming is not backwards compatibility.
Cloud gaming is an opportunity to pay money to access games, some of which may be PS1, 2 and 3 titles.
if you don't already have those games, then it's a perfectly good solution.
if you do have them, then you probably have a PS3 to play them with,
unless you were collecting them waiting for a PS4 that you hoped was fully backward compatable.
if you don't already have those games, then it's a perfectly good solution.
if you do have them, then you probably have a PS3 to play them with,
unless you were collecting them waiting for a PS4 that you hoped was fully backward compatable.
To me the PS4 actually has an excuse to not be backwards compatible, it's made in a completely different fashion from the the PS3. I still don't understand how the Xbone is not backwards compatible. Even the 360 could play some original Xbox games.
*I intentionally use 'Xbone' because I read it as X-BONE and giggle to myself.
I'm not sure your point there, both consoles are similarly different from their previous gen.
Both used PowerPC architectures in the previous gen, and now use x86.
PS4 actually now has a memory architecture more similar to 360, and XBone went the other direction.
Perhaps you were thinking of the shortlived original XBox which was x86? That wasn't the case for 360.
The 360 played specific original XBox games that took specific efforts to be 360-compatable.
As I wrote, it's just not a major selling point except for the marginal markets of people: holding onto lots of last-gen games but who don't have the console for some reason, people who are religiously/aesthetically opposed to having a second game console (their old one) to play their old games (do these people refuse to have both Sony/MS consoles on this basis?). Sony's plan for Gaikai would satisfy most normal people's desires here, I assume it will be much cheaper than buying new games so will be equivalent to used/renting old games. I guess MS' lack of this could be another complaint against their platform, but the whole issue seems kind of marginal to me, if you wanted to play these old games you had and have the opportunity to buy a 360, and used 360's should drop in price alot once this gen is out. MS even pointed out that their HDMI-in port allows plugging in a 360 thru the XBone, if clutter into the TV/AVReceiver itself is an issue, with XBone you can have it all pass thru the XBone and not deal with that. (although that MS is wasting interview time pointing out such features rather than core gaming benefits just hilights their weak position IMHO)
* Yeah, XBone is the funny and obvious result of MS' sort of ridiculous 'One' naming scheme. Honestly, if XBone was the higher performance, cheaper, more consumer-friendly platform, it would still be used and seen as a term of endearment.
But PS4 has it features to poke fun of too...
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So far I've seen no mention of PS4 being backwards compatible, so don't get your hopes up.Depends on what they do with Gaikai.Cloud gaming is not backwards compatibility.
Cloud gaming is an opportunity to pay money to access games, some of which may be PS1, 2 and 3 titles.
Sony has directly mentioned putting their (ie Sony's) ps3 games on Gaikai. I am holding out hope for some ps2 games from additional companies as well (in particular Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria).
im not too worrie dabout backwards compatability. Im not planning to sell my old systems, so ill just play on them.
Now i know that its a bit more effort to turn on my PS3 instead of my PS4 but ehhh its not a big deal.
The selling point isn't people who don't want multiple consoles. The selling point is when your XBox 360 or PS3 dies and you have a choice to make.
You can "upgrade" for more money, or you can buy a replacement (for now).
If the new system doesn't run the library I have, I can't upgrade.
Yes but if I had to choose between the PS4's prospective architecture or an upgraded PS3, I would pick the former.
I don't want my next-gen consoles design shackled to the idea that they have to be backwards compatible.
Now if sony lets you put PS3 disc into the PS4 and stream that game from Gaikai as a loyalty reward, I would be all for that.
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The selling point isn't people who don't want multiple consoles. The selling point is when your XBox 360 or PS3 dies and you have a choice to make.
You can "upgrade" for more money, or you can buy a replacement (for now).
If the new system doesn't run the library I have, I can't upgrade.
Yes but if I had to choose between the PS4's prospective architecture or an upgraded PS3, I would pick the former.
I don't want my next-gen consoles design shackled to the idea that they have to be backwards compatible.
Now if sony lets you put PS3 disc into the PS4 and stream that game from Gaikai as a loyalty reward, I would be all for that.
Even if there were a reasonable fee to upload your saved games to Gaikai so that you have them forever on whatever consoles come out going forward, that would be a great feature that would attract more customers.
Which is, you know, kind of the goal.
So far I've seen no mention of PS4 being backwards compatible, so don't get your hopes up.
It is compatible with games released on past systems, so it is. However, you probably can't take your actual PS1/2/3 disc, whack it in the PS4's drive and be able to play the game, so in that sense it isn't.
Gaikai may allow people to play games made for past systems, but very likely at a price (i.e. you don't get 'free' access to games you may already own - you're in some way paying for something you may already own).
How Gaikai works if you've already bought the game is not something that's been specified by Sony (to my knowledge). In particular, there is zero reason why games you have 100% bought online from PSN will also not be accessible via Gaikai, as Sony have proof that you bought the game and your relevant details.
Proving that you bought FINAL FANTASY VII back in 1997 so you should be able to access it for free through Gaikai is more likely to be be completely impractical, so yes, you'll likely need to pay a small charge to play games that are are old and predate PSN.
So far I've seen no mention of PS4 being backwards compatible, so don't get your hopes up.It is compatible with games released on past systems, so it is. However, you probably can't take your actual PS1/2/3 disc, whack it in the PS4's drive and be able to play the game, so in that sense it isn't.
If you can't take your physical disc, insert it into the system, and have the game load normally, then it's not backwards compatible.
The Nintendo Wii isn't backwards compatible with NES games simply because you can download old NES games from the online store. That's not backwards compatibility.
I'm not entirely sure what to call it, but the basic idea is that you can't use an original game on the new system in it's original form. Downloading a newly compatible version of the game from an online network is different.
Gamestop stops selling XB1 pre-orders because it's run out of allocation.
According to one store, GameStop were only able to allocate them 16 XB1s. However, they got 60 PS4 consoles allocated to them and still have some left. Gamestop have stopped selling XB1s altogether as the entire company's allocation has dried up, apparently way ahead of PS4 doing the same.
Can anything else go wrong for Microsoft? If they have a significantly smaller number of consoles available on release than Sony, that may drive a lot of sales to Sony regardless. Crazy.
I'm not entirely sure what to call it, but the basic idea is that you can't use an original game on the new system in it's original form.
Emulation.
The backwards compatibility isn't an issue for me. I have every console I've ever owned going back to the NES, and still play all of them.
I'm not entirely sure what to call it, but the basic idea is that you can't use an original game on the new system in it's original form.Emulation.
The backwards compatibility isn't an issue for me. I have every console I've ever owned going back to the NES, and still play all of them.
Thank you! I was having a brainfart. But yeah, emulation=/= backwards compatible.
I have most of my consoles; don't have my Atari Jaguar or Sega Saturn anymore.
Microsoft considering dropping all internet and DRM requirements on XB1.
Not confirmed yet, but very interesting and possibly unprecedented. Also, very, very sensible from Microsoft.
Hm. If this is true I MAY snag the XBone at a later date once exclusives start rolling out.
We'll see how this progresses.
Good for Microsoft. The initial plan was tone-deaf, but at least they came around.
Looks like next gen is a race again.
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Microsoft considering dropping all internet and DRM requirements on XB1.
Not confirmed yet, but very interesting and possibly unprecedented. Also, very, very sensible from Microsoft.
I agree that this reversal was a smart decision by Microsoft. The negative publicity alone was simply too much. The amount of dislike from the core gamer community would effect mass adoption. Sometimes, you need to realize when you are loosing an argument and adjust.
Microsoft has a strong game line up including both original games (project spark for me)and timed exclusive dlc. This will make the next generation a race again.
I wasn't going to buy either at launch, but was leaning towards PS4 probably summer 2014. With these changes I'll probably buy the more popular one amongst my friends (sharing games, playing together online, etc). Not in my budget to buy both. The $100 price difference does lean me towards PS4 still.
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Microsoft to Pull Complete Reversal on Xbox One DRM Policies
No more always online requirement
The console no longer has to check in every 24 hours
All game discs will work on Xbox One as they do on Xbox 360
An Internet connection is only required when initially setting up the console
All downloaded games will function the same when online or offline
No additional restrictions on trading games or loaning discs
Region locks have been dropped
Well good job everyone our collective (b-word)ing across the internet and pre-orders made a difference.
So Scott the Xbone's policies were SO bad that even MS decided to pull them.
:)
Wow, I mean the situation was so bad I'm not entirely surprised at this... but still, it's pretty amazing.
I guess imposing that system like that really was just a horribly outrageous policy.
Even more than enabling discs to work normally, they have abandoned the previous system even for downloads.
That seems strange, if only because that is where their system of online sharing SHINED without impacting traditional ownership of discs.
Perhaps publishers weren't interested in lowering the sale price of downloads since that just pushes the price expectation down,
or I could see how the online sharing system would negatively impact sales of AAA hit titles.
Gamestop stops selling XB1 pre-orders because it's run out of allocation.
According to one store, GameStop were only able to allocate them 16 XB1s. However, they got 60 PS4 consoles allocated to them and still have some left. Gamestop have stopped selling XB1s altogether as the entire company's allocation has dried up, apparently way ahead of PS4 doing the same.
Wow, so much for the theory that MS could benefit by Sony being sold out.
This reinforces my theory that Sony is simply structurally favored to win this generation, and everybody in the biz knows it.Sony just went all in on that assumption with their pricing and hardware choices to leverage that for all it's worth.
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I don't really understand the anger about lack of backwards compatibility. Can someone explain that for me (seriously)?
If I buy the PS4, it'll be to play PS4 games. If I want to play a PS3 game, I'll just play it on my PS3.
In the mean time, I'm going to just save my money for another computer upgrade (leaning towards a new tower anyway).
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Although the Xbone still...
Requires the kinect to be plugged in
$100 more expensive
Bulkier OS
Indie games still require publishers to be on the Xbone
Has worse hardware than the PS4
BUT the Xbone is no longer a seething monument against all that is gaming.
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BUT the Xbone is no longer a seething monument against all that is gaming.
I'm pretty disappointed, honestly. It would have been better for them to follow through with it, fail miserably, and serve a bloody, beaten warning for years or even decades to come for anyone else that dared to try all of those insane anti-consumer policies. Instead, people will forget about this and someone will inevitably try it again down the road, presumably with "better messaging" to try and dupe people.
Sometimes overt, massive failure is a welcome thing for the learning experience.
I don't really understand the anger about lack of backwards compatibility. Can someone explain that for me (seriously)?
The one compelling explanation I've seen is people who's previous console BROKE, and they want the new generation to play it's discs (rather than need to buy a replacement console, possibly used).
Using inserted discs as 'keys' to enable a discount price for Gaikai seems plausible and would get Sony even more props, but I can't quite support outrage if they DON'T do that, which is a pretty novel function.
If Sony's serious about Gaikai, IMHO they should promise that they will offer it on the next generation, and you will be able to access PS4 games you DOWNLOAD now on the next-gen console (transferring from one console to the new one, thru the same account), avoiding the issue of inserted discs 'validation' for discounts and providing a tangible benefit to download vs. buy a disc. (The PS5 may very well not have a Blu-Ray drive)
BTW, haven't seen it mentioned here: although Sony requires PS+ for many online multiplayer games, it ISN'T required for free-to-play MMO games.
Xbone: Bulkier OS
Has worse hardware than the PS4
And the first rather amplifies the second, of course.
That's the main appeal of backwards compatibility, yeah. The discs, if taken good care of, seem to outlast the consoles that play them. Having newer consoles that can play the discs allows you to continue to enjoy those games and is almost like an insurance policy.
Case in point; I have more PS2 games than PS1 games, and overall prefer the PS2 library more. But my PS2 is growing feeble and the PS3 only is BC with PS1 games. So my PS2 games, which I have more of and overall enjoy playing more (with specific exceptions, of course) is seeing less and less play time from me than the PS1 games now. I'm genuinely worried that in a few years all my wonderful PS2 discs will be good for nothing other than gazing upon with nostalgia.
I don't expect or require BC (hell, I waited for a huge PS3 price drop rather than go for the PS2 BC), but any time it can be included at a reasonable expense, I greatly prefer that.
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Gamers being angry about something results in a change for the better? I'm shocked, but go us!
At least now the Xbone is just horrifically overpriced and launching with no good games, rather than being offensive to me and trying to remove my consumer rights. The first two will, of course, change in time.