Oracle / Divine Scion?


Pathfinder Society

4/5 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Finland—Tampere

Just a quick question to make sure I've got things right before I commit to an idea.

I recently re-rolled one of my first-level characters into an oracle. I then started to wonder if I could grab him a prestige class, so I poked around a bit and stumbled on the Divine Scion. The only stumbling block is the need to have a deity. Are oracles allowed to become divine scions in PFS play in specific, as long as they worship the god (in this case Nethys) they would be a scion of and fulfill all other needed criteria? (I'm quite aware this would be allowed in a home game, I just want to know the PFS ruling, hence why this section of the forums.)

Shadow Lodge

I fail to see why they couldn't, nor why it's PFS specific, if a character can qualify for the class they can take the class, that is RAW, and by RAW, anyone can have a patron deity, which seems to be your question.

To have a patron deity, simply write the deity of choice on the deity box on your character sheet, you must be the proper alignment (and divine scion requires the exact alignment of your deity), beyond this there are no requirements to worship a deity, unless you are a non-oracle divine caster.

Oracles do not need patron deities, but they are free to take one just as much as say a Sorcerer is.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

The sticking point word is "Patron" Deity.

Not just worshiping a deity, but having them be a Patron.

Typically Patron deities are restricted to classes that require a deity to function as that class.

Shadow Lodge

Andrew Christian wrote:
Typically Patron deities are restricted to classes that require a deity to function as that class.

I'm going to have to ask for a source for that, because the core rulebook only uses the phrase Patron Deity once, in the following line.

Core Rulebook wrote:

Revivification against One’s Will: A soul can’t be returned to life if it doesn’t wish to be. A soul knows the name, alignment, and patron deity (if any) of the character attempting to revive

it and may refuse to return on that basis.

additionally, the guide to pathfinder society never uses the phrase patron deity.

Patron deity is the one deity you worship above all others, you can worship multiple deities, but you can only gain the benefits of being a follower of one deity at a time, these benefits include, but are not restricted to access to prestige classes, and use of magical items.

5/5

Rei wrote:

Just a quick question to make sure I've got things right before I commit to an idea.

I recently re-rolled one of my first-level characters into an oracle. I then started to wonder if I could grab him a prestige class, so I poked around a bit and stumbled on the Divine Scion. The only stumbling block is the need to have a deity. Are oracles allowed to become divine scions in PFS play in specific, as long as they worship the god (in this case Nethys) they would be a scion of and fulfill all other needed criteria? (I'm quite aware this would be allowed in a home game, I just want to know the PFS ruling, hence why this section of the forums.)

Yes, you can do this.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Dylos wrote:
Andrew Christian wrote:
Typically Patron deities are restricted to classes that require a deity to function as that class.

I'm going to have to ask for a source for that, because the core rulebook only uses the phrase Patron Deity once, in the following line.

Core Rulebook wrote:

Revivification against One’s Will: A soul can’t be returned to life if it doesn’t wish to be. A soul knows the name, alignment, and patron deity (if any) of the character attempting to revive

it and may refuse to return on that basis.

additionally, the guide to pathfinder society never uses the phrase patron deity.

Patron deity is the one deity you worship above all others, you can worship multiple deities, but you can only gain the benefits of being a follower of one deity at a time, these benefits include, but are not restricted to access to prestige classes, and use of magical items.

There is no source. It is my opinion based on extrapolation of the following:

  • Clerics receive spells and other abilities from a specific deity.
  • Inquisitors receive spells and other abilities from a specific deity.
  • Paladins, in PFS, receive spells and other abilities from a specific deity.
  • If Druid or Ranger choose a deity instead of just generically worshiping nature, they receive their spells and other abilities from a specific deity.

I would consider this type of relationship a Patron Deity relationship.

A fighter who worships a specific deity, would not have a patron deity, because that deity does not grant them anything.

Regardless of whether they pick a deity to worship, Oracles do not receive their spells and abilities from a specific deity, but rather a small pantheon of 4 or so deities or deific entities that represent a mystery.

I don’t know that I care enough about this corner case to say no.

But be aware, there may be some GM’s who do, who would consider this an illegal option. Some minor table variation on the legality of this build might be out there.

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