Is anyone out there just happy with Pathfinder?


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I am not trolling here and don't want to see any negative comments. It is a simple question, are any of you out there just happy with Pathfinder. I know I am, but it seems like all I see is negative thoughts on this game mechanic or that class is over powered or whatever. I just think it would be nice to have one thread out there where people take time to say something nice about Pathfinder, the game, we know the Paizo people are amazing. I see that all over the messageboards and have experienced it myself.
I will start.
I love the class archtypes, I was horrible about multi-classing in 3.5 and never was able to build what I wanted. The archtypes have saved me some serious headaches. Racial substitutions are awesome too, no two (state your race here) need be the same.


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I think many of us are 70-90% happy with it. I think your just encountering what is human nature for most folks.

Liberty's Edge

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I'm very happy with Pathfinder; and i think that,on the whole, it's a distinct improvement over 3.5 DD. Long may it continue without a Pathfinder 2.0 .

Liberty's Edge

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Yes.

But people who are happy don't complain on the forums.

The forums are not reality.


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Hrmmm....

Let me use an analogy.

I am in the process of buying a house. This is an expensive and life-altering decision, not merely of what house to buy, but what neighborhood to look in, what schools and public facilities are nearby, what the crime rate has been, what the political environment is....

It's a complex multi-tiered decision that has a near infinite number of moving variables compounded by daily changes to my own financial and emotional state which means that what looked good to me today might not look as good tomorrow.

But in the end I picked a house. It was the "best house" available for the situation I was in. But of course I only knew things about the house that I could see from a quick walkthrough. But once you pick the house and put it under contract, you've pretty much set the events in action that will end up with moving into the new house.

Then you get the inspection report with details about problems the house has that your untrained eye did not detect.

Is it still the "best house"? Well, at this point you are invested in the house, but you can still ask for some fixes before you move in.

And that continues even after you move in. Rooms that you originally thought were perfect for your needs turn out to be cramped, or drafty or the lighting isn't right during the winter...

So you gripe about those things, even though if it really, REALLY bothered you, you'd just move. But moving is a very difficult decision and there is no guarantee that you'll end up in a better house after all. So you gripe. It's cheaper.


people want to know they've been heard, and it's alot easier to shout the negative than to simply state a positive and let it be. I, for one, am ecstatic about pathfinder. the finding of which probably disengaged my choice to walk away from gaming entirely at the time, I was so dissatisfied with 4th ed. DnD. When I cut back to what I really need, the core book, bestiary, and lets face it, hero lab, I still see endless adventure in my future. I think everyone gets pissed off because their specific little hook from 3x has been removed, and they're afraid to go outside the box. So they rail against the 'man' for changing the game.


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I love pathfinder and am very happy with the game and the quality support it gets from the paizo staff. I am definitely a satisfied customer and eagerly await my monthly subscriptions.

Dark Archive

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I like Pathfinder as an improvement over 3.5e. I still think of Pathfinder as 3.75e. I didn't play 3 or 3.5 quite as much as some of the other people I play with, so I am constantly finding new wrinkles I didn't know before.

Of course, I also still enjoy and play 4e, so I'm perhaps not the best person to ask.


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Very happy with Pathfinder, and loving the 3PP support/community - there are just so many ways to use this system from low magic, low tech, high magic, high tech, epic fantasy, gritty urban etc etc etc. I like the ruleset, and see it as a marked improvement on the already comprehensive 3.5. And I started playing RPGs in 1981.

Very excited by the elasticity and openness of the ruleset - the PFSRD and d20PFSRD are fantastic resources. The abovementioned 3PP community represents a fantastic group of people exploring the possibilities of the system. Sure there are frailties, flaws and furphies present - these are inevitable in any human endeavour. And as humans we have the adaptability to overcome the greatest flaws.

A last shout out to Paizo for being responsive and interested in its fanbase. And a last little note -I scored the Core Rulebook PDF as part of the PFO Kickstarter - not only is it handily textlinked throughout it has all the latest errata - my favorite being the part where the natural weapons rules are brought into line with the Bestiary. Woohoo!!! Now I can clawbump the air with one paw without the scimitar in my other paw being penalized!!!

Clawbump!!! 1d20 + 4 - 5 ⇒ (17) + 4 - 5 = 16


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Love the game, love the fluff, love the crunch, love the company's commitment to the players.

Sovereign Court

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I'm happy with Pathfinder, but... I love the Campaign setting.


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Eh, it's hard to explain, well maybe not so hard.

I am just kind of fed up with D20 games in general. Not everything is bad about it, and there are a lot of things I do like.

But I think the whole system is cumbersome. It had what I think are design flaws from the 3.0 release. I could write lots about it, but this isn't the place.

What I dislike is how cumbersome the whole thing is, particularly as you go up in levels. Things take too long to resolve, too many modifiers, too much work to plan out encounters.

They fixed a couple of things, made some things better, some things worse. It's probably a little more balanced than 3.5, but it shares all the clunkiness.

My favorite version of the game right now is the old Rules Codex, though I use Labyrinth Lord and it's more advanced sibling Dark Dungeons.

If I can find someone to play.

I'm not in a situation where I can find a group of previous edition players. It's not so much as 3.0 is D&D as that no one has any interest in taking on what is for them a new system.

And no one had any interest in 4.0, or any other system so it just kind of turned into Pathfinder.

Anyway I don't know. If this D&D next turns out the way I like things I'm gone. I think I'll find people to play with.

It might not though. I took a decade or so hiatus from this game once, maybe I'll do it again.

Liberty's Edge

It's the best of d20, which is probably my second favorite system, anymore. Pathfinder is good stuff.


Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I love pathfinder. At the moment my favorite part is the PRD. It lets me add things to my games without feeling like I am forcing my players to buy new books, yet it is directly responsible for talking me into buying more than half the pathfinder books I have...

Dark Archive

I am not happy with Pathfinder by itself as is. I like the rule set and would love to intetgrate it with 3.5 with the backward compatible part of it that it says it is good for.

I find very few Pathfinder GMs who are not Paizo fanboys who insist what paizo does is right and 3.5 is wrong. The fact of the matter is, I never liked most of the core classes and am sick and tired of playing them or their slieght varient archetypes. Only two of their new classes sing to me as very fun. I like alternate power sources/systems like the 3.5 supplements such as: Psionics, Incarnum, Book of Nine Swords, the warlock.I would take a closer look at the Tomb of Magic If a GM were willing to give it a try

Maybe the problem is not Pathfinder failing to publish the right toys for my taste. Maybe it is the lack of GMs willing to utilize that backward compatibility? Funny how that could mean I was happy with it as it is.

The Exchange

I'm happy with Pathfinder: I'm not delighted or at 100 percent satisfaction with it. Its strengths complement what I like about role-playing and I accept its flaws - in some cases flaws that are indissolubly linked to the game's strengths. I think a certain amount of the belly-aching you'll see here about the system provides a valuable service to the Paizo crew: even if it turns out that there's no need to change a particular rule, the grumbling keeps them watchful for faults that can be improved.


I'm very happy with pathfinder. I'm not happy with GURPS. That's why I'm here discussing what rules work well and what rules don't work well in pathfinder, rather than being over at the GURPS forum (if there is such a thing).

Pathfinder is fantastic in many ways, it's my preferred system for action-focused games and I love analyzing it's rules far more than any other system. It's also fantastic in that you can change certain aspects of the rules and generally predict how that will change the gameplay; it's a very "modular" system in my opinion. And that is another reason why I love it, and a reason why I post here about things I feel are improvements to the game at my table.


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Being happy with it as it is and looking forward for potential improvement are not mutually exclusive. Your question is, therefore, inherently flawed. There are types of people who never even consider there to be an "as it is" stage and any game or even a series of games (from original D&D through present) are seen as an analog continuum to be taken as a whole unit rather than discrete segments. For these kinds of people, there's nothing but improvement and they are happy with it "as it is" because "as it is" is the state of being improved upon.

Silver Crusade

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Running 3 groups with total of 15 people between them and I have 4 or so people whom I basically have to avoid at this point because they're THAT avid to play.

So, erm, yes, happy.


the Queen's Raven wrote:

I am not trolling here and don't want to see any negative comments. It is a simple question, are any of you out there just happy with Pathfinder. I know I am, but it seems like all I see is negative thoughts on this game mechanic or that class is over powered or whatever. I just think it would be nice to have one thread out there where people take time to say something nice about Pathfinder, the game, we know the Paizo people are amazing. I see that all over the messageboards and have experienced it myself.

I will start.
I love the class archtypes, I was horrible about multi-classing in 3.5 and never was able to build what I wanted. The archtypes have saved me some serious headaches. Racial substitutions are awesome too, no two (state your race here) need be the same.

I'm pretty happy with it. Pathfinder has the most balanced core of any iteration of D&D I've ever seen before it, and without giving up character building opportunities.


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

In general I am happy with the game. But there are areas where improvements could and should be made.

I am quite aware, especially after a lot of developer feedback from James and Sean, that big changes to existing rules won't happen in this edition. So, I could either just shut up until the next edition comes along OR give feedback right now, participate in discussions where problem areas are crystallized and generally have fun with ( the large majority ) of the regulars on this board.

I'll take option two. :) Paizo is doing great, but they could still do better. Giving constructive criticism is helping good writers to become even better.

Grand Lodge

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I'm only here for the community.


the Queen's Raven wrote:

I am not trolling here and don't want to see any negative comments. It is a simple question, are any of you out there just happy with Pathfinder. I know I am, but it seems like all I see is negative thoughts on this game mechanic or that class is over powered or whatever. I just think it would be nice to have one thread out there where people take time to say something nice about Pathfinder, the game, we know the Paizo people are amazing. I see that all over the messageboards and have experienced it myself.

I will start.
I love the class archtypes, I was horrible about multi-classing in 3.5 and never was able to build what I wanted. The archtypes have saved me some serious headaches. Racial substitutions are awesome too, no two (state your race here) need be the same.

I been playing it about 3 years, Im happier with this than the alternative, 4E


I am very happy with the setting and the material that has been released. I love the system.


You cant take forums as a measure of how good something is or how happy are with it as forums seem to always be negative


I am happy,

As the game has got more popular, the community population has grown and that small town feeling where felt that you knew all of the other commentators on the board has subsided. So it is not as friendly as it once was just because there are too many people to establish a good relationship with.

With a lot more people come a lot more complaints, the percentage doesn't change just the volume. So the storms of whiny crap and "dis is teh suxxors" can be overwhelming.

But there are gems of threads that need to be highlighted, where people are surprisingly mature, insightful and helpful.

Also some staff are good at moderating and commenting (Shout out to Lilith, Chris, Judy, James, Cosmo, Vic and Jason) and others not so good (they trigger confusion or alienation and should probably wait 20 mins and reread before they post their replies).

Silver Crusade

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I will answer by paraphrasing one of my favorite philosophers, "Pathfinder is fine. The PLAYERS are broken. Difference! Difference!"

Honestly, the rules set isn't perfect. How could it be? But, in my experience, it only breaks down when the players cause it to. It's like a little kid playing with a toy and you tell them, "Careful sweety or you will break it." Then they hit it with a brick and have the audacity to cry when their shinny new toy is laying in pieces on the floor.

So, in conclustion, Pathfinder is fine... just stop hitting it with a brick.


I'm still in my first post-4E campaign (not including a 4 session adventure), and even 10 levels in I'm anxious to play PF every week.

"Hate the players. Not the game!""


I'm happy with it. It's not perfect (it's a complicated and cumbersome pain to DM), but nothing is perfect. But the support is awesome and the campaign setting superb.


I'm happy with Pathfinder and enjoy all the characters I have made and played...although I am also going to happily multiclass my monk after happily attempting to go full monk. :)


Very pleased with Pathfinder. Doesn't mean I don't tinker around with it. I will say it is the first iteration of D&D that I don't have a gazillion houserules. Houserules here tend to be alternate classes, converted material, or a purely different take on something (not because I disagree with RAW).


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I'm very happy with Pathfinder, but I'm under no illusion that it's a perfect system.

It has its flaws, like every other system, but overall, it's pretty awesome, and even though it has some issues, it still gives me a wonderful frame of reference to work with. Most of the time, I don't need to make huge changes to fix what I see as broken, just a few tweaks.


Starfinder Superscriber

Very happy. Feels like D&D should, not what it became.

Shadow Lodge

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I don't play Pathfinder because it's good, I play it because it's popular.


The more I learn about 3.x and it's legacy systems the more it bothers me. So it's not Pathfinder per se, it's the system it's based on.

I don't like the way Defense works in D20. AC/reflex and fortitude/will should be consolidated. A third damage mitigation defense should be added, in order to differentiate between misses and hits that do nothing. This would also allow HP to be overhauled, which is needed because HP inflation has done strange things to certain mechanics.

I really dislike that wielding a weapon has purely offensive mechanics. It is really weird that picking up a sword doesn't allow you to deflect or parry attacks from a weapon wielding attacker any better than if you are unarmed.

I would also vastly prefer 3 to 4 extremely flexible and archetypical classes, rather than the ultra specific bloat that wee have.


the Queen's Raven wrote:

I am not trolling here and don't want to see any negative comments. It is a simple question, are any of you out there just happy with Pathfinder. I know I am, but it seems like all I see is negative thoughts on this game mechanic or that class is over powered or whatever. I just think it would be nice to have one thread out there where people take time to say something nice about Pathfinder, the game, we know the Paizo people are amazing. I see that all over the messageboards and have experienced it myself.

I will start.
I love the class archtypes, I was horrible about multi-classing in 3.5 and never was able to build what I wanted. The archtypes have saved me some serious headaches. Racial substitutions are awesome too, no two (state your race here) need be the same.

No.

Too negative?

I like maybe 20% of its original rules content (and the adventure paths). For instance, an old vet player pointed out how some of the new monk stuff that recently came out, is copied from 3.0.

A shamerfur dispray.

P.S, variant classes could have given more of what you wanted in 3.0-3.5. You didn't have to multiclass to get the goods.


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Pathfinder isn't a perfect game system. Golarion isn't a perfect game setting. I am not a perfect DM. My players are not perfect players. As such, we all fit together quite well.

Its human nature to complain, to focus on the negative. Its how we actually get things fixed and improved. If we looked at the news the way we looked at the forums, we would assume the world is full of tornadoes, tsunamis, terrorists, and tragedy. It's not. Those things are a part of the world, unfortunately inextricable, but they are not the entirety of the world. For every tragedy, there a thousand peaceful moments and a hundred beautiful ones.

Pathfinder has brought many peaceful moments and more than a few beautiful ones to my home. It has not brought tragedy. What more needs to be said?


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I love the adventures, I love the setting material, and I pretty much daily find myself amazed at how frequently and thoroughly various Paizo employees answer questions about this, that, and anything on the messageboards.

As for the rules, I feel about the same about the PF rules as I did about the 3.5 rules; there are things I like and there are things I don't like. Most importantly, both versions are very enjoyable to play with :)


Pathfinder rocks. Probably the best there is (troll bait, do your wurst). What you find here in many cases is people who are happy with Pathfinder but are raising issue with a few things that bother them.

In journalism they have a s saying, "If it bleeds it leads." Basically it means the worse the news the more it comes up and the louder it is reported. These forums are a lot like that, add to that clashing fan opinion, the dogmatic nature of we geeks and you get a lot of what you have here.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

As in all things, there are good sides and there are bad. I'm not saying Pathfinder is a flawed system (of the 4 I've tried, it's definitely my favorite), but it isn't perfect. It has its flaws, it has its shortcomings. But generally, I've found it to be very fun to play and tinker with, and I've spent hours just reading some of the sourcebooks for fun (though I may or may not be crazy). That said, I am very happy with Pathfinder. It's not perfect, but as one traveling bard once said (paraphrased: It is one thing to love a thing BECAUSE, but to love a thing DESPITE, to see its flaws and love them as well, that is the truest form of love. -Kvothe, from Patrick Rothfuss' Wise Man's Fear.


I love Golarion and Pathfinder is the absolute best system for my players. I think running combats is clunky from the DM side of things, but that's a small price to pay (and easily fixed).

But I will probably post a thread when I finish my fixes for simple combat... but I probably won't post a thread the next time I'm enthused about a Pathfinder product. It's just the nature of the internet.

Maybe I should start threads whenever I run into something cool. It might make the board a sunnier place, but I'd be creating a lot of threads.

Cheers!
Landon

Grand Lodge

I love the game, minor flaws and all. I really admire the courage of the design team, they created a rules system to help carry on the legacy of the 3.5 rules set after WOTC decided to stop supporting it, there was no way for them to know it would be successful. Look how it's paid off, amazing. I have no qualms with others feeling different, and even suggesting changes, but I get discouraged when the bickering/needless ranting starts


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I have two types of systems I love. Pathfinder falls into category A:

A: Wonderfully designed, balanced, complicated, detailed, etc. My absolute favorite to play...in theory. Pathfinder, GURPS, and Rifts are in this group. In practice, most people don't know the rules so well, we constantly need to look stuff up, etc. In a party full of people who are avid gamers (or if a computer ran the game for you a-la Neverwinter Nights 1-2) it would be PERFECT. But 7/10 gamers are casual, screw up, and can't handle anything past level 5 without combats taking forever. This is not Paizo's fault in designing, its just hard to find a group period, let alone people you like for long term, so adding people you like who can actually learn ALL the rules...eh... to me Pathfinder reigns supreme over this group.

B: lighter ruled, quicker systems that are easier to memorize with fewer subcategory rules. Savage Worlds group good example, or nWoD if you don't try to cross supernatural books, or many Indy games. If I wanna PLAY and not build characters or argue over if something is possible or in the rules, I prefer Savage Worlds here.

I do wish they made a sort of Pathfinder Lite eclassless edition.since I adore Paizio's community support and professionalism and think Golarion rocks hardcore.

In a one word answer though, yes. I am happy.

And I beg for a Neverwinter style game using the PFruleset that updates as new books come out.

And isn't an MMO.


TOZ wrote:
I don't play Pathfinder because it's good, I play it because it's popular.

I'm actually here. Seems to be what people in my area play.


It's my favorite edition of D&D with further improvments. Why would I not be happy?


Satchmo wrote:
I think many of us are 70-90% happy with it. I think your just encountering what is human nature for most folks.

Sounds about right. There are things about it I would change (and will probably houserule if I ever run it), but in general, it seems solid and eliminated a lot (though not all) of the issues I had with 3e.


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I like Pathfinder so much that I did indeed put a ring on it

Liberty's Edge

I am very happy with Pathfinder. I just need to tone most of the game down.


Yes, I like Pathfinder. It cleans up all sorts of little problems that used to exist, and, in doing so, made quite a few more. There's endless material out there for gobs of little $1.00 .pdfs.

As a gaming system, I prefer it to 3.5. Let's face it. Book bloat had hit that system far too hard far too quickly. I like building outward, not upward.

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