Kitsune Society Legal??


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is the kitsune race society legal. I don't see why it wouldn't be legal but i am asking to be sure.


They are, but only with a boon. Only core races, Assimar, Tiefling, and Tengu are legal outside of a boon to my knowledge.

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I'm still relatively new; but the last I knew, they are not. According to my resources, only the core races, aasimar, tieflings, and tengu are legal.

The only exception to this is if you have a chronicle sheet specifically opening up a new race option, and I'm not sure which races have been "unlocked" in that fashion.

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While there are many of us here on the forums that are happy to answer your questions, you can also check the Additional Resources for information on what is and isn't legal for Society play.

In fact, if you want to use anything that isn't in the core assumption, you have to bring the book it's from and a printed copy of the most recent Additional Resources.

With all that being said, Mr. Sin and Draven are correct: you need a special boon (usually won at a convention) in order to play a kitsune character.

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This piece of information, and many others like it, are available in the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play: http://paizo.com/products/btpy84k4

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Wait a minute! There's a great idea laying here.
We just lost two factions
"Kitsume Society"
Why not a Kitsume faction???!!!

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Saluzi wrote:

Wait a minute! There's a great idea laying here.

We just lost two factions
"Kitsume Society"
Why not a Kitsume faction???!!!

Okay, this is the second thread I've seen this on, and it's driving me CRAZY...

Kitsune, NOT kitsume.

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Ratman faction?

Ratman faction.

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Icabello wrote:

Ratman faction?

Ratman faction.

Da da da da da da da da da da da da da!

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Icabello wrote:

Ratman faction?

Ratman faction.

Da da da da da da da da da da da da da!

For realz though, ratman boons need to be a thing. Like at GenCon or something.

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We really need a sticky saying "Kitsune isn't legal"

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Stonecunning wrote:
We really need a sticky saying "Kitsune isn't legal"

More to the point, we need a sticky that says "please please please please please please PLEASE read the GtPFSOP and the Additional Rules page before asking if something is legal"...

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SCPRedMage wrote:
Stonecunning wrote:
We really need a sticky saying "Kitsune isn't legal"
More to the point, we need a sticky that says "please please please please please please PLEASE read the GtPFSOP and the Additional Rules page before asking if something is legal"...

Stickied threads don't appear on the page that everybody looks at. What we need is a rules forum where these questions can be asked ad nauseum so that they don't cllutter the rest of the board.

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Icabello wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Icabello wrote:

Ratman faction?

Ratman faction.

Da da da da da da da da da da da da da!
For realz though, ratman boons need to be a thing. Like at GenCon or something.

Oh man, I want to play a Ratfolk Oracle of the Dark Tapestry with the revelation for wings. His name will be Die Fledermaus.

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the gippli also have a boon opening them up.

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BOCFiend wrote:
the gippli also have a boon opening them up.

GMs who run at least 8 slots (Tier 1 GMs) at this year's GenCon receive a cert that, among many other options, allows you the choice of playing a grippli.

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I actually genuinely don't get this persistent obsession with the Kitusne, it seems like a super weird choice for everyone to get fixated on.

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Stonecunning wrote:
I actually genuinely don't get this persistent obsession with the Kitusne, it seems like a super weird choice for everyone to get fixated on.

Fans of Japanese Anime seem to really like Anthropomorphic Animal type characters.

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I mean, I get that, but why not play BESM or something? Or one of a billion other cartoon archetypes that don't involve animal people. Seriously, it's just super weird to me that there's this massive fixation on that one super specific thing.

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Stonecunning wrote:
I mean, I get that, but why not play BESM or something? Or one of a billion other cartoon archetypes that don't involve animal people. Seriously, it's just super weird to me that there's this massive fixation on that one super specific thing.

My Kitsune is the furthest from anime as you can get...I play him as a faceless man from Game of Thrones...he's got a +30 disguise check at 5th level to appear as a specific human...had some fun with the aspis consortium with that...


Stonecunning wrote:
I mean, I get that, but why not play BESM or something? Or one of a billion other cartoon archetypes that don't involve animal people. Seriously, it's just super weird to me that there's this massive fixation on that one super specific thing.

Respect other peoples opinions and what they want, hey. Asking if something is legal isn't so bad. If you see an option your interested in its not an awful thing to ask if its legal if it looks like it might not be. Its also a little on the weird side that so much is "well you need a special writ of paper" especially when your just starting out.

Its not a super massive fixation I don't think. Regardless there aren't many options for animal people in PFS unless you play an assimar, which doesn't really scream animal person and I'm not sure if you can even appear as one then. Also if your like me you can't find a good copy of BESM or friends to play it everywhere, but when your local store does PFS every week you get curious.

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Chernobyl wrote:
Stonecunning wrote:
I mean, I get that, but why not play BESM or something? Or one of a billion other cartoon archetypes that don't involve animal people. Seriously, it's just super weird to me that there's this massive fixation on that one super specific thing.
My Kitsune is the furthest from anime as you can get...I play him as a faceless man from Game of Thrones...he's got a +30 disguise check at 5th level to appear as a specific human...had some fun with the aspis consortium with that...

See, this is pretty cool. I'd be interested in playing with this character simply because I could see an interesting dynamic arising.

MrSin, it's not a lack of respect for others' opinions, it's that I don't get that out of hundreds of things not allowed in PFS the only recurring one is Kitsune. It's just a super strange thing for me to see, I totally get why someone would want to play it, but for enough people to want it that there's a tremendous constant stream of people asking about it is what I don't understand.


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MrSin, it's not a lack of respect for others' opinions, it's that I don't get that out of hundreds of things not allowed in PFS the only recurring one is Kitsune. It's just a super strange thing for me to see, I totally get why someone would want to play it, but for enough people to want it that there's a tremendous constant stream of people asking about it is what I don't understand.

I would say its probably because Kitsune are prettier than the Wayang, haha. Kitsune are much more... normal I would think than some of the other options. Its easier to see them doing something. Mechanically I find them weak myself. I want to play a Vishkanya myself.

When I first joined it was one of the first things listed as a race on the PFSRD, and it peaked my interest because it was something I recognized and it wasn't as normal as the Dwarf/Elf/Orc gig. That might be a part of it. Wayang and Samsaran seemed ridiculous foreign, and Nagaji were a close second but my first thought was actually Naga with serpentine tails. Kitsune, despite being an uncommon race, just seemed more recognizable at a glance than Dhampir or the elemental planetouched. I don't think I'd even recognize Tiefling/Assimar if I didn't play them in another game.

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I don't play a Kitsune because I want to look like a fox; I play a Kitsune because I want to look like a lot of different people, and because there are some other interesting race-specific options.


It's because there is often a heavy overlap between "geek" and "Japanophile." Kitsune lovers are generally the latter, and so they get into Pathfinder and clamor for their foxfolk.

Plus, there are the furries that think foxes are sexy, but I still don't get that.

Me, I much prefer the wayangs. I think that the kitsune are overrated, but that wayangs need much more love.

Remember boys and girls: Play a wayang, or else you will be stabbed in the back by a sad wayang Ninja.

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For me it was so my wife and I could play Robin & Marion from Disney's version of Robin Hood... ;) Of course neither of our characters are anything like them (actually modded closer to Aladdin and Jasmine. I'm the scoundrel (ninja) that took the noblewoman (oracle of lore) away from her family/library to live a life of adventure)

I'd always wanted to play "couple" characters but it wasn't until I got Kitsune boon and GM boon from GenCon last year that I was able to talk her into it.


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This may get me labeled as a 'Japanophile', but I play kitsunes simply because I'm a big fan of the legends that are behind them. There's a huge amount of depth and variation to them that I like to try to emulate in my characters.

The problem is that in pathfinder they're simply fox folk who are good at enchantment spells and have some shapeshifting abilities. Kitsunes in pathfinder don't have nearly the depth to them that 'real world' kitsunes have, so most people will look at them and see very little that is interesting about them.


Voyd211 wrote:
Plus, there are the furries that think foxes are sexy, but I still don't get that.

I have trouble going to a table with a kitsune without making one joke about how kitsune are "foxy".

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MrSin wrote:
Voyd211 wrote:
Plus, there are the furries that think foxes are sexy, but I still don't get that.
I have trouble going to a table with a kitsune without making one joke about how kitsune are "foxy".

+1 Nice. :)

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At least Kitsune have a boon.

I'd rather see Samsaran playable, and doubt that's happening now that Lantern Lodge is gone.

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Voyd211 wrote:

Plus, there are the furries that think foxes are sexy, but I still don't get that.

Me, I much prefer the wayangs.

We don't need to know what you prefer to do with your wayang.

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Eric Clingenpeel wrote:

For me it was so my wife and I could play Robin & Marion from Disney's version of Robin Hood... ;) Of course neither of our characters are anything like them (actually modded closer to Aladdin and Jasmine. I'm the scoundrel (ninja) that took the noblewoman (oracle of lore) away from her family/library to live a life of adventure)

I'd always wanted to play "couple" characters but it wasn't until I got Kitsune boon and GM boon from GenCon last year that I was able to talk her into it.

Do you have this mini?

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Eric Clingenpeel wrote:

For me it was so my wife and I could play Robin & Marion from Disney's version of Robin Hood... ;) Of course neither of our characters are anything like them (actually modded closer to Aladdin and Jasmine. I'm the scoundrel (ninja) that took the noblewoman (oracle of lore) away from her family/library to live a life of adventure)

I'd always wanted to play "couple" characters but it wasn't until I got Kitsune boon and GM boon from GenCon last year that I was able to talk her into it.

My wife and I have twin kitsune PCs, thanks to me winning a boon and then Thea Peters being nice enough to give one to my wife specifically so we could play them together. We're both rapier-wielding spellcasters; she's a magus, and I'm an arcane duelist bard. I cut out some cardboard in the shape of Bestiary Box pawns and drew pictures to make our minis. :) I used Robin and Marion as visual references. :D


Jiggy wrote:
Voyd211 wrote:

Plus, there are the furries that think foxes are sexy, but I still don't get that.

Me, I much prefer the wayangs.

We don't need to know what you prefer to do with your wayang.

I don't think wayangs are sexy either. I just like their design and lore better.

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My Kitsune rogue has a couple of tips of the hat to Robin. I did consider making him a druid (just to get a bear animal companion).

My wife (a Nottingham girl; she would want me to point out to you that Robin's sweetheart was Marian, not Marion) has a Kitsune bard who accompanies my rogue on his adventures (and on her lute ...).

Over 20 years ago I picked up a miniature (made by Grenadier, I believe) that was a fox-faced and fox-tailed variant of one of their regular figures (plumed hat, long cloak, high boots, and a sword). It's nice to finally get a chance to use those figures!

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Voyd211 wrote:
Plus, there are the furries that think foxes are sexy, but I still don't get that.

I've got to admit, this is my biggest problem with the kitsune. I don't really care what people want to think in private, but the most uncomfortable D&D game I've ever played was with a guy playing a priestess of the love goddess who wore (selectively covering) studded leather and had a whip and was obviously as in couldn't-shut-up-about-it into certain things that may involve whips (in character). Every single time I've played with a Kitsune in Pathfinder (this is not to say there are not exceptions or that my experience represents the majority as a whole) it turns into some really insanely awkward fetishism type stuff that frankly I don't want to deal with in any circumstances, let alone when I'm trying to have fun.

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@Fromper, Nope, we just use minis to represent our human guises.

JohnF wrote:
(a Nottingham girl; she would want me to point out to you that Robin's sweetheart was Marian, not Marion)

Yeah, my wife's grandmother was Marion, so got used to writing it that way. (And yes, she was actually a Librarian)


I am debating using my kitsune boon to play some sort of sassy elderly lady. With 'Mama' or 'Grammy' in her nickname. Browsing through the build possibilities now.

Maybe with a whip. Just for the absurdity. The chance for DM annoyance with a trip build is high.

-j


Stonecunning wrote:
Voyd211 wrote:
Plus, there are the furries that think foxes are sexy, but I still don't get that.
I've got to admit, this is my biggest problem with the kitsune. I don't really care what people want to think in private, but the most uncomfortable D&D game I've ever played was with a guy playing a priestess of the love goddess who wore (selectively covering) studded leather and had a whip and was obviously as in couldn't-shut-up-about-it into certain things that may involve whips (in character). Every single time I've played with a Kitsune in Pathfinder (this is not to say there are not exceptions or that my experience represents the majority as a whole) it turns into some really insanely awkward fetishism type stuff that frankly I don't want to deal with in any circumstances, let alone when I'm trying to have fun.

I've actually never seen that in a game. Worst thing I've seen is a Calistrian prostitute. Its definitely possible for any character to act like that, but the kitsune I've met are usually enchanters or knife type rogues. Never black leather and whips. I should probably be happy about that. I can definitely see that being uncomfortable. That's probably more of a inter-player problem than a race problem imo.

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Jason Wu wrote:

I am debating using my kitsune boon to play some sort of sassy elderly lady. With 'Mama' or 'Grammy' in her nickname. Browsing through the build possibilities now.

Maybe with a whip. Just for the absurdity. The chance for DM annoyance with a trip build is high.

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Now you've got me thinking about ideas for that type of older character with a nickname, like he/she is everyone's "granny" or "uncle" or something. Not necessarily kitsune, but just in general.

The first thing that came to mind was Uncle Fester as a necromancer or bones oracle.

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My wife and I received kitsune boons at a convention last year; we used them to create two sisters -- an Arcane Duelist bard (mine) and a Ninja (hers). Neither of them are entirely trusting of non-kitsune, and they remain in their human forms when around non-kitsune. So, we're not really playing the furry/foxy angle. ;-)

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Players shouldn't bring their pre-existing prejudice to Kitsune players in PFS.
The Kitsune of Golarion are extremely different to the Kitsune of Deviantart.com.
My Kitsune also prefers to remain in human form, but soon he'll have the fox shape feat and then it's tiny stealthy animal adventuring all the way!

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Fromper wrote:


Now you've got me thinking about ideas for that type of older character with a nickname, like he/she is everyone's "granny" or "uncle" or something. Not necessarily kitsune, but just in general.

The first thing that came to mind was Uncle Fester as a necromancer or bones oracle.

For a while I've been thinking of starting an Andoren Grandmother dwarf who takes all her levels in Stonelord.

She can refer to the rest of the party as 'mah little boys' and talks in an accent exactly like Treetrunks from Adventure Time (Tree Trunks adventuring).

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KestlerGunner wrote:

Players shouldn't bring their pre-existing prejudice to Kitsune players in PFS.

The Kitsune of Golarion are extremely different to the Kitsune of Deviantart.com.
My Kitsune also prefers to remain in human form, but soon he'll have the fox shape feat and then it's tiny stealthy animal adventuring all the way!

You may want to re-read what I said if that comment is directed at me.

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It's not directed at you.

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Oops! Nevermind then! Sorry about that.

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My kitsume was directly inspired by NA Indian Coyote stories. He is a trickster, shapechanger, and not very wise and is always getting in over his head. He's an Oracle (Heavens)who will bluff and disguise, brings an odd piece of equitment to each adventure and find a use for it, whether it be a periscope, fireworks, or whatever (think "Acme" corporation), uses a crossbow even though he's blind because 'if you can kill your enemies before you can see them, surely you are a great warrior'.

Basically, he's been fun to play, though I did run into one GM who I suspect targeted him.

Even found a shirt for him


Stonecunning wrote:
I've got to admit, this is my biggest problem with the kitsune. I don't really care what people want to think in private, but the most uncomfortable D&D game I've ever played was with a guy playing a priestess of the love goddess who wore (selectively covering) studded leather and had a whip and was obviously as in couldn't-shut-up-about-it into certain things that may involve whips (in character). Every single time I've played with a Kitsune in Pathfinder (this is not to say there are not exceptions or that my experience represents the majority as a whole) it turns into some really insanely awkward fetishism type stuff that frankly I don't want to deal with in any circumstances, let alone when I'm trying to have fun.

It seems to me that you're just gaming with the wrong people. I've never run any of my kitsunes that way.

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I wish they would just open up kobold and goblin and make a monster faction for the PFS.

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