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Xuttah wrote:
I wish they would just open up kobold and goblin and make a monster faction for the PFS.

Amen. Of course, this also applies to such things as orcs, drow, duergar and hobs. As awesome as people make drow out to be, I'd rather play as the duergar. Seriously, enlarging a fighter that uses a lucerne hammer? I'd almost forget my dislike of martial classes just for that!

Unfortunately, I don't think little old us can do anything about that. That's all up to Paizo, and something tells me they're not going to allow any of those anytime soon.

Sadface.

The Exchange

If the Lantern Lodge had been the Kitsume Lodge (at least, headed by a Kitsume with that flavor and objectives) it would not have been dropped...at least not without a full scale in the streets revolt!!

Shadow Lodge

Stonecunning wrote:
I've got to admit, this is my biggest problem with the kitsune. I don't really care what people want to think in private, but the most uncomfortable D&D game I've ever played was with a guy playing a priestess of the love goddess who wore (selectively covering) studded leather and had a whip and was obviously as in couldn't-shut-up-about-it into certain things that may involve whips (in character). Every single time I've played with a Kitsune in Pathfinder (this is not to say there are not exceptions or that my experience represents the majority as a whole) it turns into some really insanely awkward fetishism type stuff that frankly I don't want to deal with in any circumstances, let alone when I'm trying to have fun.

Yeah, this kind of thing? In PFS, this is the kind of thing that needs to be brought up discretely, either with the event organizer or a VO, so that the player can be told they're making people uncomfortable. If the player doesn't tone it down, it needs to be moved "up the chain", so to speak, because this IS something that needs to be addressed.

Acting like a creepy perv IS a violation of the "don't be a jerk" rule. If it gets brought to the attention of campaign leadership, it WILL be dealt with.

That said, it's not something limited to kitsune; the only examples of it I've seen personally were all humans or elves. This is a problem that does NOT relate to, in my experience, the majority of people interested in playing kitsune. I, for one, would love to get my hands on a kitsune boon, as I'd love to get to play around with the potential of the kitsune trickster rogue archetype, and the Realistic Likeness and Fox Shape feats; that seems like a perfect combination for an AWESOME spy.

Scarab Sages

I have, it's usually just ignored. Right now I'm trying to get up the chain for a game I played on Thursday where two people would not. stop. joking. about. rape.

Seriously, going "up the chain" is a lot harder than it might seem because often "avoiding conflict" means "continue letting one person be awful."

Grand Lodge 5/5 Pathfinder Society Campaign Coordinator

Stonecunning wrote:

I have, it's usually just ignored. Right now I'm trying to get up the chain for a game I played on Thursday where two people would not. stop. joking. about. rape.

Seriously, going "up the chain" is a lot harder than it might seem because often "avoiding conflict" means "continue letting one person be awful."

Email me about this incident please. My email is mike.brock@paizo.com.


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Michael Brock wrote:
Stonecunning wrote:

I have, it's usually just ignored. Right now I'm trying to get up the chain for a game I played on Thursday where two people would not. stop. joking. about. rape.

Seriously, going "up the chain" is a lot harder than it might seem because often "avoiding conflict" means "continue letting one person be awful."

Email me about this incident please. My email is mike.brock@paizo.com.

This is what I love about PFS. MB still peruses the posts that he knows the players can answer appropriately. Then when he sees something that he needs to address. BAM! He is taking care of it. I love it!!!


If I DID play a kitsune, I wouldn't go the attractive route (then again, I wouldn't do that for any of my characters. My half-elf paladin is a "gritty anti-hero" type, complete with a voice that would better fit a half-orc, and my tiefling witch is downright deformed). I'd play an oracle, some kind of ancient mystic who specialized in summoning.

And yes, I would have them sprout tails and lots of them.

Scarab Sages

Michael Brock wrote:
Stonecunning wrote:

I have, it's usually just ignored. Right now I'm trying to get up the chain for a game I played on Thursday where two people would not. stop. joking. about. rape.

Seriously, going "up the chain" is a lot harder than it might seem because often "avoiding conflict" means "continue letting one person be awful."

Email me about this incident please. My email is mike.brock@paizo.com.

Just sent you a wall of text.

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Rogar Stonebow wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
Stonecunning wrote:

I have, it's usually just ignored. Right now I'm trying to get up the chain for a game I played on Thursday where two people would not. stop. joking. about. rape.

Seriously, going "up the chain" is a lot harder than it might seem because often "avoiding conflict" means "continue letting one person be awful."

Email me about this incident please. My email is mike.brock@paizo.com.
This is what I love about PFS. MB still peruses the posts that he knows the players can answer appropriately. Then when he sees something that he needs to address. BAM! He is taking care of it. I love it!!!

+1 to this.

And, incidentally, kudos to you, Stonecunning, for taking the time to try going up the chain about this. That's something that certainly needs to be addressed.

Scarab Sages

teribithia9 wrote:

+1 to this.

And, incidentally, kudos to you, Stonecunning, for taking the time to try going up the chain about this. That's something that certainly needs to be addressed.

I used to be a really different person when I played RPGs back when I was younger and let this stuff slide way too many times. There's a difference between socially awkward nerd (who can be great people) and someone who thinks that because is a fantasy setting joking about one of the most horrific acts an individual person is capable of is okay. There's a line there, and I encourage anyone who encounters someone thinking that this is okay to throw any caution about rocking the boat of their local gaming group to the wind because at the end of the day avoiding RPG drama is way less important than stopping someone from trivializing rape in any context.

I mentioned this in the e-mail to Mike, but my wife had been planning on coming to that gameday, she'd never played Pathfinder before and this would have been her first and certainly last time playing, and I wouldn't have been able to fault her one bit.

Again: If you encounter someone making rape jokes in a Pathfinder game, confront them and if need be go up the chain about it. This is far more important to address than any potential drama that may stem from you calling them out. Pathfinder is a game, rape is not. I can't believe that this needs to be said.

Grand Lodge 5/5 Pathfinder Society Campaign Coordinator

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Stonecunning wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
Stonecunning wrote:

I have, it's usually just ignored. Right now I'm trying to get up the chain for a game I played on Thursday where two people would not. stop. joking. about. rape.

Seriously, going "up the chain" is a lot harder than it might seem because often "avoiding conflict" means "continue letting one person be awful."

Email me about this incident please. My email is mike.brock@paizo.com.
Just sent you a wall of text.

Received and thank you. As a former Special Victims Detective, I don't take jokes about such a heinous act lightly.

Silver Crusade

Fromper wrote:


Now you've got me thinking about ideas for that type of older character with a nickname, like he/she is everyone's "granny" or "uncle" or something. Not necessarily kitsune, but just in general.

The first thing that came to mind was Uncle Fester as a necromancer or bones oracle.

Thinking about this further (probably my first mistake), now I'm coming up with ideas for other Addams Family inspired characters. I'm thinking Wednesday as a halfling summoner with the child-like feat and Pugsley as her eidolon.

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Fromper wrote:
Fromper wrote:


Now you've got me thinking about ideas for that type of older character with a nickname, like he/she is everyone's "granny" or "uncle" or something. Not necessarily kitsune, but just in general.

The first thing that came to mind was Uncle Fester as a necromancer or bones oracle.

Thinking about this further (probably my first mistake), now I'm coming up with ideas for other Addams Family inspired characters. I'm thinking Wednesday as a halfling summoner with the child-like feat and Pugsley as her eidolon.

Cousin it as a white haired witch?

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Eric Clingenpeel wrote:

For me it was so my wife and I could play Robin & Marion from Disney's version of Robin Hood... ;) Of course neither of our characters are anything like them (actually modded closer to Aladdin and Jasmine. I'm the scoundrel (ninja) that took the noblewoman (oracle of lore) away from her family/library to live a life of adventure)

I'd always wanted to play "couple" characters but it wasn't until I got Kitsune boon and GM boon from GenCon last year that I was able to talk her into it.

Eric, my wife and I are also playing a Kitsune couple right now- she is an Oracle of Daikitsu and I am running a Cavalier (order of the Star) charged with protecting her as her bodyguard. This is the first time we have played a "couple" in game and its been fun so far. :-)

And no, we are not furries. (Not that it should matter, really... but that is all people seem focused on when the word Kitsune comes up.)

Dark Archive 4/5 Venture-Agent, Colorado—Colorado Springs aka Dust Raven

Matrix Dragon wrote:
This may get me labeled as a 'Japanophile', but I play kitsunes simply because I'm a big fan of the legends that are behind them. There's a huge amount of depth and variation to them that I like to try to emulate in my characters.

I love my kitsune, and I play him as inspired by the various legends. He's a sorcerer who masquerades as human in human society, attaching himself to a specific human as a sort of helper/companion. He's nearly 7th level and has yet to appear in his fox-form, and as far as anyone who's met him knows, he's completely human. One day he'll be forced to take is default form or otherwise be discovered, at which point he'll likely run away and hide until dramatically appropriate to reappear (because I'd still want to play him).

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