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captain yesterday wrote:
The last Transformers movie wasn't overly successful I'd thought...

Perhaps. I haven't really been paying attention. I don't even know what the last one was. :)

The first ones made a ton of money though.


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I'm pretty sure it did terrible in the US (China probably made up for it I'm sure, they love their Transformers over there!).


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I'm sick of talking about the future crappy D&D movie. I'm creating another thread for another topic. :)


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https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/19/16795148/dungeons-and-dragons-movie-rele ase-date

https://www.forbes.com/sites/toddkenreck/2017/07/31/why-now-is-the-time-for -a-dungeons-dragons-movie/#5f5883bb7f93

Pretty good article.

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thejeff wrote:
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Hasbro has a vested interest to protect the brand name? Have you seen Transformers?

You mean the blockbuster hit movie series Transformers? Or the multiple successful cartoon series? Or the current apparently awesome comic series?

I know there's a ton of fanrage and I'll freely admit I'm not fond of the movies, but they're undeniably successful. I'd love to see that kind of success for a D&D movie. Even if it was a lowbrow action blockbuster.
It's not like the previous attempts failed because they were serious works of art. They failed because they were lousy movies, even for mindless action flicks.

Successful doesn't mean good.


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TRANSFORMERS is getting a reboot.

The BUMBLEBEE movie this year looks like it will be the end of the Bayverse. The 2019 "TRANSFORMERS 6" movie has been cancelled and Hasbro/Paramount don't have another TRANSFORMERS movie currently in official development.

Hasbro/Paramount are instead developing a new "shared universe" consisting of a rebooted GI JOE, MICRONAUTS and MASK (I think there's 2 other old toylines in there as well), which may tie in with a newly-rebooted TRANSFORMERS line of movies. There's a big "event movie" Hasbro have planned for 2021 which should expand on that.

The previous plan was for the Bayverse to continue as an expanded universe of multiple films, including one set in Ancient Rome (!) and another set on ancient Cybertron. All of that's gone out the window: the writers' room they assembled appears to have been shuttered and the writers involved moved on to other projects (Kirkman to his Amazon deal, Lindsey Beer to the KINGKILLER CHRONICLE movie and TV series and Akiva Goldsman is taking a stronger role on STAR TREK: DISCOVERY). The reason is pretty clear: THE LAST KNIGHT made barely half of what the previous movie did and Hasbro/Paramount are pretty annoyed about it.

Given their insane marketing costs, it's actually possible that the movie did not make very much of a profit at all ($600 million versus a development budget of $220 million and marketing likely around $250 million). The whole idea was for TRANSFORMERS to churn up the money and subsidise development costs for the rest of the Hasbroverse, but if that's not guaranteed going forwards, Paramount may start asking what the point of the deal is. On that basis, these next few movies - including D&D - have a lot riding on them.


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Hama wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Hama wrote:
Hasbro has a vested interest to protect the brand name? Have you seen Transformers?

You mean the blockbuster hit movie series Transformers? Or the multiple successful cartoon series? Or the current apparently awesome comic series?

I know there's a ton of fanrage and I'll freely admit I'm not fond of the movies, but they're undeniably successful. I'd love to see that kind of success for a D&D movie. Even if it was a lowbrow action blockbuster.
It's not like the previous attempts failed because they were serious works of art. They failed because they were lousy movies, even for mindless action flicks.

Successful doesn't mean good.

Won't argue with that.

I'd love to have a true classic fantasy movie come out of this, don't get me wrong.
But I'd rather have a successful blockbuster popcorn flick, than an artistic and financial flop like the previous D&D movies. No question at all. Better for the industry, better for everyone.

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captain yesterday wrote:
The last Transformers movie wasn't overly successful I'd thought...

It had a very soft opening weekend. International sales made it profitable, but less so than past films in the franchise. Budget was $217 million, and worldwide gross is just over $600 million. So the profit was less than $200 million.

That's probably enough to keep the franchise alive, but poor in Transformers and other blockbusters' terms. Age of Extinction was more than double that, with worldwide gross breaking $1 billion.

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Werthead wrote:

The BUMBLEBEE movie this year looks like it will be the end of the Bayverse.

I think that was the idea with The Last Knight. It was planned to be Bay's last time at the helm. That's gotta be a good thing.

The other things you mention seem like projects I'd like to see given a shot. I thought the first GI Joe was brainless fun, but the second was a mess. A GI Joe reboot and a Micronauts film would certainly satisfy the 10 year old living inside me.


TomParker wrote:
Werthead wrote:

The BUMBLEBEE movie this year looks like it will be the end of the Bayverse.

I think that was the idea with The Last Knight. It was planned to be Bay's last time at the helm. That's gotta be a good thing.

The other things you mention seem like projects I'd like to see given a shot. I thought the first GI Joe was brainless fun, but the second was a mess. A GI Joe reboot and a Micronauts film would certainly satisfy the 10 year old living inside me.

The old Micronauts Marvel comic series was favorite, long after I was 10.

I doubt any film would draw much from it, unfortunately.

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thejeff wrote:

The old Micronauts Marvel comic series was favorite, long after I was 10.

I doubt any film would draw much from it, unfortunately.

Same here. I am positive I have the entire first run of The Micronauts in a long box somewhere.

I'd love to see Marvel and Hasbro make up and pull this into the MCU. It bugs me every time they talk about the Quantum Realm in Ant-Man. Just say it! Say Microverse! Say it!

I want some Arcturus Rann and Baron Karza.


I used to have the entire Micronauts run. While I was at university my mom without telling me put it up for sale in a in a curio shop and someone cherry picked all the issues with Marvel crossovers such as the FF4 but curiously left me with most of the first 12.

I loved it as a teen, and will admit to loving the issues with Princess Mari in Gangster Moll outfits.


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It looks like Rob Letterman is out as director. Chris McKay (NIGHTWING, THE LEGO BATMAN MOVIE) has been tapped to replace him and there's new writers on board as well.

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Hmm, I have a feeling the D&D movie is going in a very light hearted and/or even slapstick direction given McKay's background. Not a direction id prefer, but who knows?


Well if it's close to say, Dan Harmon's Harmonquest, I won't HATE it...

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^Ugh....

I will say McKays done a lot of parody of some pretty obscure references. I think he has respect for his material but has it ever not been comedy of the parody type?


What? I can't like Dan Harmon's Web series?!!


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... so four months later, anything else?


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Only that they are looking at filming in London.

The movie is not due until Summer 2021, so I wouldn't expect to see casting and other announcements until next year at the earliest.

We also nearly got a D&D movie starring the Rock and written by Joe Manganiello. That would have been, erm, interesting.


It would have had charisma if nothing else. ;)


If they can't do something in the manner of Lord of the Rings, then they ought to go for action comedy like Jumanji.


Quark,

Which one?

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If we could get a D&D movie in the spirit of the comic that came out in the 4th edition days, I would be very happy.

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Werthead wrote:

Only that they are looking at filming in London.

The movie is not due until Summer 2021, so I wouldn't expect to see casting and other announcements until next year at the earliest.

We also nearly got a D&D movie starring the Rock and written by Joe Manganiello. That would have been, erm, interesting.

I’d love to see Joe Manganiello involved - he’s a good actor, a cool dude who would bring a bit of name recognition, and he’s a massive D&D fan!


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Quark,

Which one?

Uhh... The Fellowship of the Ring I guess. I liked that one best. The other two were good enough. And the first installment of The Hobbit. If the next D&D movie were that good I'd be happy with that. Up to the point where they escape from the singing goblin king or maybe even the meeting of Beorn.

And to cover my bases:

The only Jumanji I ever saw. I tried watching the other one once at someone's house when I was much younger but after the second commercial break I lost interest.


Quark,

I meant which Jumanji but now that you explained it, I get it.

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Joe Manganiello live in studio today on Movie Talk discusses his D&D movie script, his awesome-looking new line of D&D clothing, etc.

He is a really cool dude and a HUGE D&D fan. He doesn’t spell it out, but it sounds like his script might be DragonLance which would be perfect

Interview is about 16 minutes in

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Oh god please not Dragonlance

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The original DragonLance trilogy is a fine epic story with extremely compelling characters. A well done DragonLance movie has all the potential to be fantastic!


Exactly! If nothing else, I've had several players that went around being a barmaid with a +1 frypan of goblin slaying...


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Marc Radle wrote:
The original DragonLance trilogy is a fine epic story with extremely compelling characters. A well done DragonLance movie has all the potential to be fantastic!

The first trilogy for sure is a fine series of novels. YA novels but good ones. I think the most impressive part (looking back on it) was the authors being able to make Tasselhoff a likable character. IRL he would have no friends but the shtick somehow works in the novels.

They should watch the cartoon of Dragons of Autumn Twilight 1,000 times and then make the movie absolutely nothing like that!


I don't think anyone has asked the important question yet. will it have the Wayans brothers in it?


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The movie is slated for the end of July 2021, which is almost the same as never in Hollywood-speak, but this article was not bad. Alas, Elle Collins is not the casting director for the movie.


Vidmaster7 wrote:
I don't think anyone has asked the important question yet. will it have the Wayans brothers in it?

Apparently they are not aiming to continue any previous story-line. So, no. No Wayans are to be seen. Or heard.


Quark Blast wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
I don't think anyone has asked the important question yet. will it have the Wayans brothers in it?
Apparently they are not aiming to continue any previous story-line. So, no. No Wayans are to be seen. Or heard.

Aww such a shame.

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I still think it'll be DragonLance ...


It certainly has a better shot than more Driz'zt...


Honestly I'm not that interested. These never turn out well.

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Please not dragonlance


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Hama wrote:

Please not dragonlance

Agreed. The animated movie is about as good as they could turn that book into a show... and it was less than stellar.

Hopefully they'll make a completely original story with a cool party and epic quest. Something with a beginning middle and end and have potential for more stories... but not 'part one of three'

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I really don't wanna watch a two-three hour long movie based on someone's played D&D 2nd edition campaign that sucked so bad it was one of the books I couldn't force myself to finish.

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Hama wrote:

Please not dragonlance

OK, since you've repeated this again in this thread, I'll again say:

The original DragonLance trilogy is a fine epic story with extremely compelling characters. A well done DragonLance movie has all the potential to be fantastic!

Heck, the original DragonLance trilogy was EXTREMELY popular and was an absolute financial hit. A well done live-action movie (or movies) with great effects and quality actors would have a strong potential to be very successful

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Hama wrote:
I really don't wanna watch a two-three hour long movie based on someone's played D&D 2nd edition campaign that sucked so bad it was one of the books I couldn't force myself to finish.

Not sure what this means ....


Marc Radle wrote:
Hama wrote:
I really don't wanna watch a two-three hour long movie based on someone's played D&D 2nd edition campaign that sucked so bad it was one of the books I couldn't force myself to finish.
Not sure what this means ....

Many people have the mistaken impression that the original Dragonlance novels were based off of a campaign that they were running. There are some character traits that made it into the novels based on interesting traits that were developed during some playtest session of the first couple of modules. The novels actually quickly outpaced the modules and the modules were much more influenced by the novels rather than the other way around.

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Ah!

I actually knew about that mistaken notion some people have, but I guess the mention of 2ND Edition threw me, since the Dragonlance modules and original novel trilogy were released during the time of First Edition/AD&D, not 2nd Edition.


For optimal cross-marketing, the movie will likely be set in the Forgotten Realms and during 5th Ed time period, so unlikely to be a classic story like Homeland, Azure Bonds, Prism Pentad, or the Chronicles.


Marc Radle wrote:
Hama wrote:

Please not dragonlance

OK, since you've repeated this again in this thread, I'll again say:

The original DragonLance trilogy is a fine epic story with extremely compelling characters. A well done DragonLance movie has all the potential to be fantastic!

Heck, the original DragonLance trilogy was EXTREMELY popular and was an absolute financial hit. A well done live-action movie (or movies) with great effects and quality actors would have a strong potential to be very successful

It's the well done aspect that I have my doubts about. I love the original trilogy, and I love the follow up twins trilogy... but I think there's just too much there for a solid movie. Too big a party, too many subplots, too much worldbuilding and then destroying... The amount that they would have to cut or whittle down or combine to make it feasible... also makes it not worth doing.

Like I said before, we got an animated version that was just a shadow of what it should have been.... and it had a fantastic cast and I actually agreed with the cuts they'd made and was really the best directorial choices to make it work... and it still felt FLAT and kind of dull. If they wanted to make a series out of something like this... where each season was a book, that could be pretty awesome. However, I still hold Lord of the Rings up as the benchmark. Don't do anything more ambitious than THAT project


I liked Azure Bonds. Curse of the Azure Bonds would make a decent D&D movie.

But I still like the original Dragonlance trilogy.

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Agreed that there is a LOT in the 3 Dragonlance books. I think they would go the trilogy route - do the first book as the first movie and then books 2 and 3 as the next two mobies in the trilogy.

And I think the Lord of the Rings trilogy is exactly the right template to aim for.

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Let's hope that they don't get a genius who looks at Pools of Radiance novel and thinks that novel is a good idea.

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