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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Pan,

I think it's more likely now that it seems like they want to use D&D novels as source material for the movie. That's the rumor I heard.

So considering FR and Dragonlance have a goodly amount...well you do the math.

Id like to know where you heard that. Last thing I read a script was written some time ago before the lawsuits. Has the original "project chainmail" been scrapped in favor of novels?


Pan,

I can't cite source off hand since I can't remember where I read. I just remember I did read that FR (specifically Icewind Dale trilogy) was being considered for source material/script.

Sovereign Court

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Not what I am finding. This and that off the top of my search seems to lead me to believe the chainmail script has been adapted to FR. Looks like the novels are not being used this go around.


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It's a completely original script they're using, but it's set in FR (specifically, Waterdeep, at least partially). Originally it was Universal/Hasbro and Warner Brothers/Sweetpea (who had the film rights from the terrible 2000 movie) fighting over the screen rights, with WB developing the CHAINMAIL idea. Hasbro seems to have ditched Universal and agreed to work with WB in return for retooling the project and keeping Sweetpea and Courtney Solomon involved as producers in name only.

Since WB/Sweetpea originally didn't have the rights to any of the individual D&D worlds, books or characters (only the most generic D&D concepts), it looks like they've thrown out the CHAINMAIL script and restarted again with a FORGOTTEN REALMS-set movie. Canny move by Hasbro, as if legal problems raise their head at a later date they can simply stop WB making any sequels by withdrawing the FR rights.

Hasbro/WotC also apparently want cross-media synergy (ergh) by keeping the film set in the most recent version of the FORGOTTEN REALMS so they can do some marketing with the P&P game and any upcoming video games, whilst a lore-appropriate CRYSTAL SHARD movie would be set in the past of the setting. They could simply re-set the story in the 5th Edition, most up-to-date version of the setting but there may be some confusion there. Legally I believe TSR and then WotC/Hasbro retained all film rights to the individual novels so they don't have to do a separate deal with the authors, but it's not entirely clear if that was the case for all of the books from the very beginning, in which case they might have to strike up a deal with Salvatore which would be expensive.


Yeah I think that's the way I heard it too Wert. I mean it sounded to me like WotC/TSR/Habsro wanted to keep some of the rights in house in case the movie bombed or something.


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Posted by SKR wrote:

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Given the prominence of Tomb of Horrors in the novel Ready Player One, and the upcoming movie adaption of the same name, smart money says we'll see a 5e version at about the same time the movie comes out (March 2018).
October 10, 2016 at 5:06 AM


Huh. Tomb of Horrors as a movie. Not sure how THAT will work but...OKAY!

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Werthead wrote:

It's a completely original script they're using, but it's set in FR (specifically, Waterdeep, at least partially). Originally it was Universal/Hasbro and Warner Brothers/Sweetpea (who had the film rights from the terrible 2000 movie) fighting over the screen rights, with WB developing the CHAINMAIL idea. Hasbro seems to have ditched Universal and agreed to work with WB in return for retooling the project and keeping Sweetpea and Courtney Solomon involved as producers in name only.

Since WB/Sweetpea originally didn't have the rights to any of the individual D&D worlds, books or characters (only the most generic D&D concepts), it looks like they've thrown out the CHAINMAIL script and restarted again with a FORGOTTEN REALMS-set movie. Canny move by Hasbro, as if legal problems raise their head at a later date they can simply stop WB making any sequels by withdrawing the FR rights.

Hasbro/WotC also apparently want cross-media synergy (ergh) by keeping the film set in the most recent version of the FORGOTTEN REALMS so they can do some marketing with the P&P game and any upcoming video games, whilst a lore-appropriate CRYSTAL SHARD movie would be set in the past of the setting. They could simply re-set the story in the 5th Edition, most up-to-date version of the setting but there may be some confusion there. Legally I believe TSR and then WotC/Hasbro retained all film rights to the individual novels so they don't have to do a separate deal with the authors, but it's not entirely clear if that was the case for all of the books from the very beginning, in which case they might have to strike up a deal with Salvatore which would be expensive.

U-R-The-Ad: I don't think many moviegoers are going to be too concerned about the game version matching the movie version. I think most moviegoers will be more concerned with the movie telling a great story with great characters, quotable dialogue, and fun set-piece battles.


That's certainly helpful SmiloDan.


Thomas Seitz wrote:
Huh. Tomb of Horrors as a movie. Not sure how THAT will work but...OKAY!

RETURN to the tomb of horrors would be a good basis for a film, or maybe even two. I think trying to compress the whole thing into one film would hurt it.

Anyhow, I think he meant the upcoming movie for Ready Player One. Which is probably unlikely to contain specific references to any D&D product.

I must admit, I do find it annoying that they are so g#%&!@n Realms-focused that they are plucking the ToH out of Greyhawk and plopping it down in the Forgettable Realms.

As for 5E Tomb of Horrors, there was already a D&D Next version of the Tomb in Dungeon, IIRC.


Norman,

There's nothing to say they will do that (IE plop Tomb of Horrors into FR lore.) It might be more likely (in my mind) they do Undermountain instead.


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ulgulanoth wrote:

I'm a strong believer that DnD can only be addapted well through animation, a live action version of DnD will always look silly and thus will never be good

A certain group of three movies made by Peter Jackson beg to disagree.


i didn't actually like the hobbit trilogy that much though


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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
i didn't actually like the hobbit trilogy that much though

Guess what? They managed to do well despite that. :)


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But serious movie talk, putting aside how bad those Hobbit movies were: Lord of the Rings was a high-budget, first-of-its-kind gamechanger. A showstopper. The terrible Hobbit movies, meanwhile, were part of that franchise, which is a huge boost these days. Each trilogy had huge amounts of money poured into it, first by a studio willing to take big risks, then by a studio willing to take anything but. If our main evidence that live-action D&D movies could be a plausible success is, "Lord of the Rings did it", we might as well be heading to the lottery and telling them we bet on "Paizo's next AP book will be Age of Worms". It's not a safe bet, is what I'm saying.

I'm not saying a live-action D&D movie couldn't be a success, but it would not be Lord of the Rings. Hell, I feel fairly secure in saying that LOTR had a bigger following before its movies came out than tabletop games do now, so a D&D movie wouldn't even start out on a level playing field. We saw scores of LOTR imitators after Jackson's big break. How many actually succeeded? Narnia came close, I guess, but that franchise folded inwards after three films. And it wasn't that great to begin with. Warcraft sort of succeeded, but not really that much.

Oh, and just so we're clear, I don't mean to deny anybody the simple joy of watching twelve dwarves, a hobbit and a wizard kill about nine hours beating up orcs and getting bad trips from spooky ghost gold. Just don't deny me my simple joy of making fun of those movies. :)


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Harry Potter?

Star Wars?

Kung Fu Panda?

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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
ulgulanoth wrote:

I'm a strong believer that DnD can only be addapted well through animation, a live action version of DnD will always look silly and thus will never be good

A certain group of three movies made by Peter Jackson beg to disagree.

If you mean LOTR, i would agree. If you mean Hobbit, those thre movies were a travesty. On par with the Star Wars prequels and for the same reason.


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GreyWolfLord wrote:

Harry Potter?

Star Wars?

Kung Fu Panda?

Please tell me you're not responding to me. Kung Fu Panda is animated, Star Wars was as much a gamechanger as LOTR, and Harry Potter was both leaning on an immense book fandom and a whole lot lower-key than most fantasy films.

That said, I think a D&D movie would have to be something like the first few Harry Potter movies, avoiding big battlefields and the sort.

Also, Kung Fu Panda 2 is Dreamworks's finest movie.


K-Cleaver,

I thought KF Panda 3 was alright...

Also I suspect that the D&D movie will not be made before 2025 since people in the studio industries don't trust fantasy movies - cite Warcraft for example.

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If they do make a Tomb of Horrors movie, I really hope the opening scene is an adventuring party entering the tomb and all dying horribly in the first few rooms, with the last one standing getting killed in the sphere of annihilation.

Then roll opening credits and start the plot with the next group going after the Tomb after so many have failed. The first scene will not only show off the deadliest dungeon of D&D history, but be similar to the opening scenes in the Scream franchise when someone gets killed off early (and you could use celebrity casting for the first party in the same way).


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Joel,

If they do make Tomb of Horrors, they should totally make it with that scene first, no question. :)


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Norman,

There's nothing to say they will do that (IE plop Tomb of Horrors into FR lore.) It might be more likely (in my mind) they do Undermountain instead.

Evidently the Tomb of Horrors is talked about in the Volo's Guide to the Realms booklet that comes with Dungeonology.


Norman,

Maybe that's more of a general thing than a Realms specific thing. I dunno.


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You think that a book entitled Volo's Guide to the Realms is setting-neutral?

Sovereign Court

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Well Realms are the best setting for D&D


Norman Osborne wrote:
You think that a book entitled Volo's Guide to the Realms is setting-neutral?

Think? No. Hope? Yes.


(It is not setting neutral. It is very setting-specific.)


Sheesh... That's even worse Tact.


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Quark Blast wrote:
Posted by SKR wrote:

<here>

Given the prominence of Tomb of Horrors in the novel Ready Player One, and the upcoming movie adaption of the same name, smart money says we'll see a 5e version at about the same time the movie comes out (March 2018).
October 10, 2016 at 5:06 AM

I'd also like to point out a couple of errors about this quote. There is absolutely nothing to confirm that the Sean involved in that conversation is SKR. Secondly, the quoted post was not even made by Sean, it was made by an anonymous poster.


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Hama wrote:
Well Realms are the best setting for D&D

Greyhawk is the best setting for D&D. Realms are best setting for Elminster Simulator.


K-Cleaver,

I think you mean Driz'zt Simulator.

Norman,

I hope that you're right about this being an erroneous posting.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Sheesh... That's even worse Tact.

Meh? It did what it was meant to do. I find no fault in it, and would that other settings recieved similar treatment.

On settings:

I am firmly of the opinion that the best setting for D&D is the setting you prefer to play your games in, whatever that may be.

I'm actually a fan of the Realms but relatively ambivalent to Drizt and find Elminster to be less obnoxious than most claim (but also less morally upright than his supposed alignment implies).

That said, having read none of the books for them, I'm a big fan of Eberron, Greyhawk, Dark Sun, and Starjammer, too. I find Planescape, Ravenloft, and Dragonlance to be okay. But fans of those settings are not wrong, nor would it be wrong to use them to showcase a "D&D" film.

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I still think they should make a movie based on Azure Bonds.

It has a personal quest (as opposed to a grand world-saving plot), a small cast of heroes (so they can focus on characterization), the heroes are diverse, there are cameos by some of the bigwigs (Elminster) (but not in a deus ex machine way), and introduces some key aspects to the Realms.

It's also got some funny bits, some songs, and great action scenes.


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I like Greyhawk, Eberron, and Starjammer. Planescape and the Forgettable Realms annoy mem.


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Hate Ebberon and Starjammer.

Not overly fond of Planescape.

Ravenloft and Dragonlance have their moments

Forgotten Realms is my favorite.


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As long as we're talking settings:

I like Greyhawk as a good "default". It's basically the iconic D&D setting. I love Eberron and Ravenloft as settings that establish truly unique feels. Golarion is okay, and I like the diversity the world offers, but there's a little too "much" for me. Dark Sun seems cool.

All the rest are bad. I'm not a big fan of the rest.

It is worth noting, however, that none of those settings really capture the "exploration of a weird world" vibe I enjoy. Ravenloft comes close.


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The setting for the old basic box sets was pretty crazy.

Especially the Temple Of The Frog.


captain yesterday wrote:

The setting for the old basic box sets was pretty crazy.

Especially the Temple Of The Frog.

Wastri, man.

If you ever - ever - think a campaign setting has too many, too obscure, and too really freaking weird campaign-setting gods... just remember Greyhawk came first, and they brought out Wastri.

Dang: that guy's weird.

For the unenlightened.


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You kind of lost me there, what's the connection. :-)

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I LOVE Planescape! But it really needs all the Prime Material campaign settings to get all the weird primes: Red Robed Wizards from Krynn, Red Wizards of Thay from the Realms, kender handlers, mul gladiators, paladins of Orthos, knights from Birthright, etc.


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All I know is if they do bring in Curse of the Azure Bonds, it should be with Alias, Dragonbait and the rest.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
All I know is if they do bring in Curse of the Azure Bonds, it should be with Alias, Dragonbait and the rest.

"the rest" Really?

Um, who did all the work! That a*@*!+@ lizard is some kind of knight errant and steals my thunder at the last minute! f+$$ that! i had that b&#%& dragon right where i wanted her!


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Not to mention I carried The Wyvern's Spur.

I got stuck with some nobleman comic relief (who is actually a super cool guy) who can barely fight off a pack of Kobolds and a few stirges, and a bunch of clones with some seriously f+*@ed up daddy issues.

*deep breath Olive girl, deep breath*


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Olive Ruskettle wrote:

Not to mention I carried The Wyvern's Spur.

I got stuck with some nobleman comic relief (who is actually a super cool guy) who can barely fight off a pack of Kobolds and a few stirges, and a bunch of clones with some seriously f@&$ed up daddy issues.

*deep breath Olive girl, deep breath*

Azure Bonds was one of the first Realms books I read.. and really didn't care much for it. I really hated Alias and Dragonbait... and the plot has been lost in to my memory.

Wyvern Spur though?? I REALLY liked THAT book.


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I loved both, but yes Wyvern's Spur is the best one, and Olive Ruskettle is hands down THE best Halfling/Hobbit in print.

At least I think so. :-)


Olive was fine. She just didn't stand out as much as Dragonbait.

I love Dragonbait. :p


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Olive was fine. She just didn't stand out as much as Dragonbait.

I love Dragonbait. :p

I really don't see how a dinosaur knight who communicated through scent would translate to a movie.

I didn't think it worked well in prose, let alone on the screen O.O


captain yesterday wrote:
You kind of lost me there, what's the connection. :-)

Did you read the Wikipedia entry?

"Here's a temple focused on frogs in a major swamp."

Wastri is basically all about that, even if the actual temple had nothing to do with him. :)


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SmiloDan wrote:
Red Robed Wizards from Krynn, Red Wizards of Thay from the Realms,

So what happens when the Red Wizards meet the Red Wizards will they join the Scarlet Brotherhood?


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I did read it, I just wasn't sure as I hadn't seen it in the book references.

So I was mostly just clarifying. :-)

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