paizo.com Recent Posts in Questions about Add Onspaizo.com Recent Posts in Questions about Add Ons2013-05-23T17:42:01Z2013-05-23T17:42:01ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Questions about Add OnsKeovarhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pq9t&page=2?Questions-about-Add-Ons#632013-05-23T14:48:36Z2013-05-23T14:48:36Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Nihimon wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Azure_Zero wrote:</div><blockquote>it can also be read as "defeat a foe without using only weapon, no spells and alone."</blockquote><p>Only if you mentally add a comma between "arms" and "alone". Since there is no comma there in the text, it's not reasonable to read it that way.
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<p>Oh, and if you're still reading this, Ryan, is there any way to add a buddy to a pledge tier? I'm aware of the 35$ "Adventurer Reward Tier" add-on, but I mean one that would get earlier access. For example, if someone has an Alpha pledge, it would be nice to be able to get a secondary account at the same level instead of one that misses the majority of EE.</p>Nihimon wrote:Azure_Zero wrote:it can also be read as "defeat a foe without using only weapon, no spells and alone."
Only if you mentally add a comma between "arms" and "alone". Since there is no comma there in the text, it's not reasonable to read it that way.
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Oh, and if you're still reading this, Ryan, is there any way to add a buddy to a pledge tier? I'm aware of the 35$ "Adventurer Reward Tier" add-on, but I mean one that would get earlier...Keovar2013-05-23T14:48:36ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Questions about Add OnsNihimonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pq9t&page=2?Questions-about-Add-Ons#622013-05-23T15:13:19Z2013-05-13T20:23:24Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Azure_Zero wrote:</div><blockquote>it can also be read as "defeat a foe without using only weapon, no spells and alone."</blockquote><p>Only if you mentally add a comma between "arms" and "alone". Since there is no comma there in the text, it's not reasonable to read it that way.Azure_Zero wrote:it can also be read as "defeat a foe without using only weapon, no spells and alone."
Only if you mentally add a comma between "arms" and "alone". Since there is no comma there in the text, it's not reasonable to read it that way.Nihimon2013-05-13T20:23:24ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Questions about Add OnsAzure_Zerohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pq9t&page=2?Questions-about-Add-Ons#612013-05-13T20:20:40Z2013-05-13T20:20:40Z<p>@Bringslite
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Me and some old friends read that requirement as the second reading at the start, but after I read it again a week or two later I went to the first reading and pointed it out to them, and they thought I was misread it.</p>
<p>But it was not nuts, because the nature of DnD is co-operative play, not solo play, hence Alone in these case was just refering to the weapons and not being alone</p>@Bringslite
Me and some old friends read that requirement as the second reading at the start, but after I read it again a week or two later I went to the first reading and pointed it out to them, and they thought I was misread it.
But it was not nuts, because the nature of DnD is co-operative play, not solo play, hence Alone in these case was just refering to the weapons and not being aloneAzure_Zero2013-05-13T20:20:40ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Questions about Add OnsBringslitehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pq9t&page=2?Questions-about-Add-Ons#602013-05-13T19:55:56Z2013-05-13T19:55:56Z<p>@Azure</p>
<p>Interesting. To me, it reads as: <b>Defeat a foe without casting any spells</b>. You must defeat the foe, without spells (barehanded or with weapons).</p>
<p>The context of the entire subject would be needed to fully comprehend the meaning. Clues as to meaning can be taken from the text around the sentence, as well as, the entire subject and setting of the text.</p>@Azure
Interesting. To me, it reads as: Defeat a foe without casting any spells. You must defeat the foe, without spells (barehanded or with weapons).
The context of the entire subject would be needed to fully comprehend the meaning. Clues as to meaning can be taken from the text around the sentence, as well as, the entire subject and setting of the text.Bringslite2013-05-13T19:55:56ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Questions about Add OnsAzure_Zerohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pq9t&page=2?Questions-about-Add-Ons#592013-05-13T19:26:29Z2013-05-13T19:26:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dario wrote:</div><blockquote> ... The logical conclusion is that they were attempting to correct poor wording on the add-ons when they made the migration to the Pledge manager, and one of the add-ons was missed in the revision. </blockquote><p>I think your right in that conclusion,
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I tend to read some things many ways
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Example
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<div class="messageboard-quotee">Complete Warrior Spellsword Special requirement wrote:</div><blockquote>"Must have defeated a foe through force of arms alone, without recourse to spellcasting."</blockquote><p>I read it as; <b>"defeat a foe without using only weapons and no spells"</b>
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it can also be read as <b>"defeat a foe without using only weapon, no spells <i>and alone.</i>"</b></p>Dario wrote:... The logical conclusion is that they were attempting to correct poor wording on the add-ons when they made the migration to the Pledge manager, and one of the add-ons was missed in the revision.
I think your right in that conclusion, @Bringslite
I tend to read some things many ways
Example
Complete Warrior Spellsword Special requirement wrote:"Must have defeated a foe through force of arms alone, without recourse to spellcasting."
I read it as; "defeat a foe without using...Azure_Zero2013-05-13T19:26:29ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Questions about Add OnsBringslitehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pq9t&page=2?Questions-about-Add-Ons#582013-05-13T19:20:37Z2013-05-13T19:20:37Z<p>The fact that English is not the first language of many of this game's fans can cause some misunderstandings.</p>
<p>An example of secondary language misunderstanding "American usage":</p>
<p>I once had a girlfriend from El Salvador. One time when she was being playful and acting "goofy", I made the mistake of saying "Now you are just being <b>silly</b>!"</p>
<p>The dictionary and her understanding of the word:</p>
<p>1 archaic : helpless, weak </p>
<p>2 a : rustic, plain </p>
<p>b obsolete : lowly in station : humble </p>
<p>3 a : weak in intellect : foolish </p>
<p>b : exhibiting or indicative of a lack of common sense or sound judgment <a very silly mistake> </p>
<p>I was in trouble all day! ;)</p>The fact that English is not the first language of many of this game's fans can cause some misunderstandings.
An example of secondary language misunderstanding "American usage":
I once had a girlfriend from El Salvador. One time when she was being playful and acting "goofy", I made the mistake of saying "Now you are just being silly!"
The dictionary and her understanding of the word:
1 archaic : helpless, weak
2 a : rustic, plain
b obsolete : lowly in station : humble
3 a : weak in...Bringslite2013-05-13T19:20:37ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Questions about Add OnsBringslitehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pq9t&page=2?Questions-about-Add-Ons#572013-05-13T19:11:38Z2013-05-13T19:11:38Z<p>•Sigh• You are right I suppose. Still some consideration should be given to the "context" of what you are reading.</p>*Sigh* You are right I suppose. Still some consideration should be given to the "context" of what you are reading.Bringslite2013-05-13T19:11:38ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Questions about Add OnsDariohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pq9t&page=2?Questions-about-Add-Ons#562013-05-13T19:08:46Z2013-05-13T19:08:46Z<p>If you do have to buy character slots of any sort to make additional characters (and it has not been stated that this will be the case), they will not be the add-ons from the Kickstarter. The logical conclusion is that they were attempting to correct poor wording on the add-ons when they made the migration to the Pledge manager, and one of the add-ons was missed in the revision.</p>If you do have to buy character slots of any sort to make additional characters (and it has not been stated that this will be the case), they will not be the add-ons from the Kickstarter. The logical conclusion is that they were attempting to correct poor wording on the add-ons when they made the migration to the Pledge manager, and one of the add-ons was missed in the revision.Dario2013-05-13T19:08:46ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Questions about Add OnsAzure_Zerohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pq9t&page=2?Questions-about-Add-Ons#552013-05-13T19:08:38Z2013-05-13T19:08:38Z<p>Then GoblinWorks should word it better, and not have use the word "required" at all.</p>Then GoblinWorks should word it better, and not have use the word "required" at all.Azure_Zero2013-05-13T19:08:38ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Questions about Add OnsBringslitehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pq9t&page=2?Questions-about-Add-Ons#542013-05-23T15:12:20Z2013-05-13T19:06:01Z<p>no</p>noBringslite2013-05-13T19:06:01ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Questions about Add OnsAzure_Zerohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pq9t&page=2?Questions-about-Add-Ons#532013-05-13T19:03:51Z2013-05-13T19:03:51Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Bringslite wrote:</div><blockquote><p> The problem here is that the wording could be interpreted to mean that you <b>have</b> to have, or are <b>required</b> to have the add-on to play the character at all.</p>
<p>Seems a bit of an obtuse way of reading it though. </blockquote><p>That's what I'm getting at.
<p>Do we have to buy stuff just to make or play a character?</p>Bringslite wrote:The problem here is that the wording could be interpreted to mean that you have to have, or are required to have the add-on to play the character at all.
Seems a bit of an obtuse way of reading it though.
That's what I'm getting at. Do we have to buy stuff just to make or play a character?Azure_Zero2013-05-13T19:03:51ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Questions about Add OnsBringslitehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pq9t&page=2?Questions-about-Add-Ons#522013-05-13T19:02:42Z2013-05-13T19:02:42Z<p>The problem here is that the wording could be interpreted to mean that you <b>have</b> to have, or are <b>required</b> to have the add-on to play the character at all.</p>
<p>Seems a bit of an obtuse way of reading it though.</p>The problem here is that the wording could be interpreted to mean that you have to have, or are required to have the add-on to play the character at all.
Seems a bit of an obtuse way of reading it though.Bringslite2013-05-13T19:02:42ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: Questions about Add OnsAzure_Zerohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pq9t&page=2?Questions-about-Add-Ons#512013-05-13T19:01:20Z2013-05-13T19:01:20Z<p>Looks like the <b>".... Add-On is Required for each character."</b> text was omitted on the <a href="https://secure.paizo.com/paizo/account/pledgeDrives" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Pledge Drive Page.</a></p>
<p>Hence why the disagreement on the text's existence on the other add-ons.</p>Looks like the ".... Add-On is Required for each character." text was omitted on the Pledge Drive Page.
Hence why the disagreement on the text's existence on the other add-ons.Azure_Zero2013-05-13T19:01:20Z