PFS Investigator / Detective


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I'm talking about the function, not the Bard Thief archetypes which don't impress me much. Especially what the Bard gives up would make him better than the archetype.
Suggestions? Am I wrong?
I want this because I see that a substantial number of PFS scenarios could use this.


What exactly is it that you want your Investigator / Detective to be able to do?

My thoughts: You'd want high Perception and Sense Motive, a decent number of other skills, and possibly detect magic. Inquisitor, perhaps?


http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/s-z/sleepless- detective

There you go my friend! Have fun!


Saluzi wrote:

I'm talking about the function, not the Bard Thief archetypes which don't impress me much. Especially what the Bard gives up would make him better than the archetype.

Suggestions? Am I wrong?
I want this because I see that a substantial number of PFS scenarios could use this.

You could probably do it with most classes. For Pathfinder Society I have an invulnerable raging urban barbarian who's an investigator with the Ulfen Guard.

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Byrdology wrote:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/s-z/sleepless- detective

There you go my friend! Have fun!

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Bearded Ben wrote:

What exactly is it that you want your Investigator / Detective to be able to do?

My thoughts: You'd want high Perception and Sense Motive, a decent number of other skills, and possibly detect magic. Inquisitor, perhaps?

You've just described a standard bard. Versatile perform can send sense motive thru the ceiling and base it on Ch

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So Bard/Sleepless?

What I want to do is be able to crack PFS scenarios that depend on investigation.

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I've looked into it before, because I'd love to run one. Unfortunately, I want to run it with a race that would be horrible for it (Nagaji).

Class-wise though. Sleepless Detective starts at a minimum of 6th level. Before that, there's the Rogue (Investigator), Bard (Detective), Ranger (Urban Ranger), Ranger (Infiltrator), and Inquisitor classes.

There are some good rogue talents along those lines, but I haven't really looked into it much more than that.

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thistledown wrote:

I've looked into it before, because I'd love to run one. Unfortunately, I want to run it with a race that would be horrible for it (Nagaji).

Class-wise though. Sleepless Detective starts at a minimum of 6th level. Before that, there's the Rogue (Investigator), Bard (Detective), Ranger (Urban Ranger), Ranger (Infiltrator), and Inquisitor classes.

There are some good rogue talents along those lines, but I haven't really looked into it much more than that.

That was what I opened this with - Detective and Investigator - and that I didn't find much reason to want them - and still ask, am I right about this??

And yes, Sleepless is nice but it's way up at 6 which is half way thru PFS.
Didn't see much with Inquisitor for investigation/detective - again, am I wrong?
Thanks on the Ranger - I'll take a look


This may seem a bit odd, but if you are going to wait till lvl 6 for sleepless, you can build a bard with only a 12 cha to take full advantage of what it offers. Pump your int and in the first few lvls of sleepless you are using int for most of your key wis based skills. You may want to keep the bardic knowledge class feature, but if you don't, the dervish of dawn archetype will cut down on madness alot. You will get +4 to hit and dmg with your inspire courage, and adding a little bit of SA from sleepless detective is a great way to keep your dmg competitive without really trying.


Elf as base race

Str: 10
Dex: 14 (+2)
Con: 14 (-2)
Int: 14 (+2)
Wis: 13
Cha: 12

Lvl 4 ability point to wis, 8 and 12 to dex. By lvl 7 you add wis and int to perception (and +2 racial) and sense motive, and int and cha to diplomacy. Your dmg won't be stellar, but it will be better than not. You will have plenty of inverts gating skill points as well.


The names of the classes shouldn't be what you go for. Lots of classes could be a good detective. You probably want an alright wisdom and a few skill points so ranger and inquisitor both work pretty well. Inquisitor is all about inquisitioning after all. Wizard has so many skill points and intelligence he could probably do the job too.

Sleepless detective looks cool, but it calls for a weird thing of having an alright intelligence and wisdom with its very first class feature(which no class really benefits from raising both), detect magic that most magical classes already have, gets sneak attack at a slower progression, and some meh to alright rogue talents. I feel like it would work better in a tailor made game than a PFS game because many of its class features require you to be tailing a criminal of some sort or such. The prereqs are also meh, 5 ranks in alchemy and alertness are both a bit overly specific.

I'd build a character and then make him a detective myself. It shouldn't take a lot of skill points and a human barbarian could probably do it if he really wanted to. Play what you like and then build him around what you want out of it if that makes sense.


the detective bard allows you to still buff with a low CHA and limited rouns of BP. His buff lasts an hour at a go.

I currently have a Detective Bard 3/Grenadier Alchemist 4 going into Sleepless Detective. He fights with bombs and a crossbow. A ridiculous build, but tons of fun and shockingly effective, he has no dump stats.

Feats, PB shot, Precise shot, Alertness, Focused Shot, and Extra Discovery
Discoveries: Precise Bombs (Free w class), Explosive Bombs, Smoke Bomb, Stink Bombs (from Feat)

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I just found the feat that lets you take additional rogue talents. Is it legal to get a feat before you can use it? Like go human and take 3 of these in the first 3 levels plus one talent. There are a bunch of these from APG that would make a good investigator
Canny Observer
Charmer [1pd Ugh!]
Coax Information
Quick Disguise
So I take the feat but can't use the talent until 2nd lvl
And, I have to work up the rogue so it's not a one trick.


The prereq to feats such as extra rogue talent and extra rage power are to have the rogue talent or rage power class feature in the first place. You have to reach level 2 in the class in order to get it.

I'm not sure if those rogue talents are great... Have you looked into the handbooks/guides?

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