Clarification about First Steps


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Grand Lodge 5/5 Pathfinder Society Campaign Coordinator

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At the start of Season 5, parts 2 and 3 will be retired. Part 1 will remain an active scenario. Once we have a new Tier 1 only scenario in place, part 1 will then be retired. It is my goal to have 1-2 Tier 1 only scenarios placed on the regular publishing schedule for PFS and published each season, that capture the flavor of the season. This won't be specifically tied to a certain faction so they can remain an evergreen product.

You won't see the first one of these until early 2014 and is the reason we are keeping part 1 of First Steps live until tha time. In the future, I hope to have one of these release as a Gen Con release.


ok, so you are not retiring so much as replacing it?

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Nevada—Las Vegas aka kinevon

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Does that mean that <redacted> got rescued and returned to being a faction leader?

Liberty's Edge 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Indiana—Martinsville aka thaX

I really wanted to run part three at some point, but it seems that I might not be able to before retirement. Is there any chance the third part be turned into a regular scenario. Going through the island from Absolam and ending up on the other side is a fantastic experience, even without the "first steps" introduction being attached.

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thaX wrote:
I really wanted to run part three at some point, but it seems that I might not be able to before retirement. Is there any chance the third part be turned into a regular scenario. Going through the island from Absolam and ending up on the other side is a fantastic experience, even without the "first steps" introduction being attached.

You have four months to schedule and run it. You really can't find one, four hour block in the next four months to GM it?

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kinevon wrote:
Does that mean that <redacted> got rescued and returned to being a faction leader?

That depends. Did your group succeed in the rescue mission? ;)

There's definitely something going on with that one. It wouldn't surprise me if they pull another faction leader switch on us with that one, but probably just not immediately.

Silver Crusade

Michael Brock wrote:
thaX wrote:
I really wanted to run part three at some point, but it seems that I might not be able to before retirement. Is there any chance the third part be turned into a regular scenario. Going through the island from Absolam and ending up on the other side is a fantastic experience, even without the "first steps" introduction being attached.
You have four months to schedule and run it. You really can't find one, four hour block in the next four months to GM it?

I'm almost jealous. I can't seem to stop running it. I like the adventure, but after 5 or 6 times between playing and GMing, it gets old.

Sovereign Court 5/5 Venture-Captain, West Virginia—Charleston aka Netopalis

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Can we please have Auntie Baltwin back for the replacement? She's SO much fun to GM.

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First steps was getting a bit stale in my opinion. I thoroughly applaud this direction.

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Netopalis wrote:
Can we please have Auntie Baltwin back for the replacement? She's SO much fun to GM.

I absolutely LOATHE that portion of the scensrio.

Spoiler:

It is 21st century Political Correctness gone insane, written by somebody who apparently knows next to nothing about Real history.

What we have here is a person who is running an orphanage far, far better than orphanages were run throughout most of history and far better than many are run in the world today.

The children are being very well cared for. They are actively depected as well fed, healthy and happy. They are even being taught an insanely valuable trade (Servant), one of the most prestigious and valuable trades that orphans could possibly aspire to.

But the scenario insists that she is EEEVVVVIIILL. Exploiting the poor orphans. Using her own magic to heal them instead of using the potions sent on to her. Drinking (gasp) to such an extent that, uh, well, she takes perfectly good care of her charges.

Venture-Captain, Germany–Hannover aka Hayato Ken

Could you please make it so that one can safely transition a character from nothing to level 2 within season 5?
I frankly don´t know if this is already the case or not, but i think if you want people to play more new scenarios there should be a possibility to get their characters up only with season 5 scenarios.
If that´s already possible, just forget about it.

Sovereign Court 5/5 Venture-Captain, West Virginia—Charleston aka Netopalis

Paul:

Spoiler:
She reaps the rewards of the children's labor instead of giving it back to them, she procures medicine she doesn't need from a charitable organization, then sells it on the black market when she could just tell the SC that she doesn't need it, and as far as the drinking, we don't know what the kids are getting away with when she's doing it. At the very least, it's reasonable to believe the kids might be getting into the alcohol while she's drunk, or are unsupervised.

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Netopalis :

Spoiler:

The worst that can be said about her is that she somewhat overcharges the Silver Crusade. Presumably, her adept spells and healing skills ARE actually worth something, even to do gooders. So, presumably if she admitted what she was doing the Silver Crusade would still end up spending a fair bit, albeit possibly a little less. That really isn't evil.

As to the kids getting into the alcohol, all the evidence suggests that is NOT the case. Lots of evidence listed for the PCs to find and nothing even approximating that is given. IIRC the alcohol was all locked up in a place with a reasonable DC to get into,

Sure, the scenario is written on the assumption that she is exploiting the children. But, in anything approximating reality, she isn't. People usually had to PAY to get their children into an apprentice program. Certainly entry level servant positions traditionally paid next to nothing more than room or board. The people who are using untrained children for a few hours a day are doing the kids a HUGE favour. They are NOT paying for the privilege. Or shouldn't be.

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Netopalis wrote:

Paul:

** spoiler omitted **

And further, Absalom 4713 can not and should not be judged by the standards of medieval, Renaissance, or even Enlightenment western Europe, which is what Paul seems to be agitating for. Much of Golarion is socially MORE advanced than even the contemporary West here on Earth, with the obvious huge sore of slavery being the intensely problematic exception. "They don't have it as bad as pre-technology orphans really had it" doesn't mean that they have it good.

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Michael Brock wrote:
It is my goal to have 1-2 Tier 1 only scenarios placed on the regular publishing schedule for PFS and published each season, that capture the flavor of the season.

Will Tier 1 scenarios be retired at the end of a season, or will they be available indefinitely? I really like being able to get a character to level 2 with the intro scenarios, so having 3 (or more) intro scenarios is something I'd like to see.

Grand Lodge 5/5 Pathfinder Society Campaign Coordinator

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I hope the future tier 1s will be evergreen products that never have to be retired.

Sovereign Court 5/5 Venture-Captain, West Virginia—Charleston aka Netopalis

pauljathome wrote:

Netopalis :

** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
She's not charging the SC anything, as I read it. SC sends her free medicine, thinking the children are in need. In reality, the children aren't in need and she's exploiting a charity so that she can sell the charitable goods on the black market.

pauljathome wrote:
Netopalis wrote:
Can we please have Auntie Baltwin back for the replacement? She's SO much fun to GM.

I absolutely LOATHE that portion of the scensrio.

** spoiler omitted **

Dude, that's how we play it around here.

Spoiler:
I love leaving my players sitting around going "Well .. I mean ... she's not actually that bad ... per se ..." and making them decide what to do with the information.

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Patrick Harris @ SD wrote:
pauljathome wrote:
Netopalis wrote:
Can we please have Auntie Baltwin back for the replacement? She's SO much fun to GM.

I absolutely LOATHE that portion of the scensrio.

** spoiler omitted **

Dude, that's how we play it around here.

** spoiler omitted **

I've run First Steps a lot of times and

Spoiler:
I think not once did they discover the embezzling. They always discovered the liquor and the servant thing, and they all agreed it wasn't cause to eliminate Baltwin. Funny thing is that the few times I play instead of GM, I get all the psychopaths that want to murder her because of how ugly her portrait is...

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Re: what Rogue says in the spoiler...

Spoiler:

If players want to murder Auntie Baldwin because of her portrait, when they get to FS3 it will be real short after they attack Torch in the sewers...!

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rknop wrote:

Re: what Rogue says in the spoiler...

** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
Let's just say that my priest of a Lawful Evil deity was horrified and appalled by his companions. And then the second time, my Cheliax faction archer was shocked by Andoran aggression and how the Andoran people wanted to shut down the orphanage and kick all the kids to the curb (she herself being an orphan who lived on the streets). Why do my sketchy characters wind up being the nice ones? :D

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I don't understand.
First Steps seems pretty universal in its applicability to PFS (in and out of game), in that it showcases so many of the hazards PCs can be expected to face, and the skills they should know and equipment that might prove handy.
If a new player plays through, then prepares all his future PCs to be able to handle their share of the combat and non-combat burdens in his next times playing, then that new player will (should) flourish in PFS.

I don't see a lot of the other low-level adventures showcasing such a broad range of skills, and if the danger level remains the same (which I hope it does), I don't see a lot of 1st level characters surviving in tier 1-5 without the aid of higher level PCs.
Season 4 pretty much required PCs to be level 2 to compete in Tier 1-5, and without the stepping stone of First Steps, it'll be a harder entry for newbies.

So...since the die is cast on this issue, what I really would like to see is Tier 1 scenarios that duplicate the mix of city/outdoor/dungeon & combat/RPing/planning balance that the First Steps trilogy covered.
Being able to do that with a story flexible enough to be interesting when repeated and which showcases the season's theme...well, crossing fingers.

Thank you, JMK

EDIT to add:
You're going to cut out the halfling? Really?
THE Halfling of all halflings? The best known villain in all of PFS? (Sorry, Dalsine)
Sigh...
(Hmm...maybe he has an avenging sibling?)

Shadow Lodge 5/5 ⦵⦵⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Indiana—Southern aka CanisDirus

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Given that Pathfinders are supposed to have undergone years of training before being sent forth on field assignments, maybe a scenario with a "final exam" from each of the Masters of the Society - Swords, Spells, etc. Prove themselves capable of Exploring, Reporting, Collaborating, and *not* being crazy-insane-murder-hobos.

I'd personally love to see more of Farabellus in PFS :)


I ran First Steps, Part I play by post at rpggeek.com with the intention of completing the series. The players are mostly new to Pathfinder and PFS. If we finish before the end of August, that's ok?

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Verrine wrote:
I ran First Steps, Part I play by post at rpggeek.com with the intention of completing the series. The players are mostly new to Pathfinder and PFS. If we finish before the end of August, that's ok?

That was going to be my question. We're just finishing up Part 1 in PbP on these boards right now. When exactly would we need to be finished with Part 3 for it to count? Or is it enough if we *start* it by a certain date.

We've actually been rolling along pretty well, but it *is* PbP so August might be tricky.

Grand Lodge 5/5 Pathfinder Society Campaign Coordinator

You would need to finish parts 2 and 3 by August 14.

Sovereign Court 5/5 RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

rknop wrote:

Re: what Rogue says in the spoiler...

** spoiler omitted **

Might be dating myself...

Spoiler:
I looked at the portrait and immediately thought of Carol Burnett's Miss Hannigan in Annie.

Of course she tried casting sleep on Talyn, and got punched out.

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Christopher Rowe wrote:

And further, Absalom 4713 can not and should not be judged by the standards of medieval, Renaissance, or even Enlightenment western Europe, which is what Paul seems to be agitating for. Much of Golarion is socially MORE advanced than even the contemporary West here on Earth, with the obvious huge sore of slavery being the intensely problematic exception. "They don't have it as bad as pre-technology orphans really had it" doesn't mean that they have it good.

I really hope that this is NOT canon. It most certainly is NOT the impression that I've ever gotten from reading the Inner Sea Guide and playing/running lots of scenarios and modules.

To me, it has always seemed the fairly typical D&D mashup of faux medieval, faux renaissance, and lots of total anachronisms.

The following is a genuine question. Why do you believe Golarion is this socially advanced?

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pauljathome wrote:


The following is a genuine question. Why do you believe Golarion is this socially advanced?

Largely because of the (generally) egalitarian nature of the presentation of people, whatever their race, gender, etc.

Why do you hope that Golarion is not socially advanced? (If that's what you meant by saying you hoped my observation wasn't canon, I mean.)

The Exchange 5/5

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wow... I think I have an idea for a new seasion 5 PC....

I'm going to create an Auntie Baldwin character!

"I had these Pathfinders visit me at my home for Orphans... and I decided to become one myself. Would you care for some tea?"

Silver Crusade

nosig wrote:

wow... I think I have an idea for a new seasion 5 PC....

I'm going to create an Auntie Baldwin character!

"I had these Pathfinders visit me at my home for Orphans... and I decided to become one myself. Would you care for some tea?"

It wouldn't be the first time I've heard of someone turning an NPC from a scenario into their next PC, but it's definitely the funniest. :lol:

Grand Lodge

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Fromper wrote:
nosig wrote:

wow... I think I have an idea for a new seasion 5 PC....

I'm going to create an Auntie Baldwin character!

"I had these Pathfinders visit me at my home for Orphans... and I decided to become one myself. Would you care for some tea?"

It wouldn't be the first time I've heard of someone turning an NPC from a scenario into their next PC, but it's definitely the funniest. :lol:

B###&, please.


Anyway to tie the new scenarios into MotFF? I would just like something that does not leave the Motff story that introduces the society out to dry. Maybe something like the Pathfinder Society NPC in MotFF being at the briefing.

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Lab_Rat wrote:
Anyway to tie the new scenarios into MotFF? I would just like something that does not leave the Motff story that introduces the society out to dry. Maybe something like the Pathfinder Society NPC in MotFF being at the briefing.

That sounds like a cool idea to me. No big thing but subtle, if you've played the module it'd mean something.. if not it wouldn't... nice idea!

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Curious - would First Steps part 2 and 3 require much to be changed to make them usuable for season 5? I guess I'm asking if we could change out an NPC and/or faction issuing the mission and still use the scenerio, or is a major rewrite needed?

A First Steps part 2.5 and 3.5 would make a useful bridge until the new tier 1 scenerios are ready in 2014.

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Michael Brock wrote:
I hope the future tier 1s will be evergreen products that never have to be retired.

Awesome! So, that means once the season 6 intro adventures are released, we'll once again be able to level characters to 2 with just intro adventures?

Sovereign Court 5/5 Venture-Captain, West Virginia—Charleston aka Netopalis

No, there will be no part 2 and 3. If your party has that much time, you'd be better off running a 1st level module like Murderer's Mark or The Godsmouth Heresy.


Netopalis wrote:
No, there will be no part 2 and 3. If your party has that much time, you'd be better off running a 1st level module like Murderer's Mark or The Godsmouth Heresy.

I think you're mistaken. You should be able to do First Steps 1, the Season 5 Intro and the Season 6 Intro and be at level 2.

Sovereign Court 5/5 Venture-Captain, West Virginia—Charleston aka Netopalis

As I understood it, there is going to be one intro scenario after all of this.

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Jeff Mahood wrote:
Netopalis wrote:
No, there will be no part 2 and 3. If your party has that much time, you'd be better off running a 1st level module like Murderer's Mark or The Godsmouth Heresy.
I think you're mistaken. You should be able to do First Steps 1, the Season 5 Intro and the Season 6 Intro and be at level 2.

"We be Goblins!"

because 1st level PCs can't read....

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They're getting rid of parts 2 & 3 of First Steps in August. However, they are planning on adding "evergreen" Tier 1 scenarios starting in 2014 to fill the gap left by those.

Above Mike stated that he wants to have additional Tier 1 scenarios published every season if possible, which would mean in a few years, you would have a choice on which ones to use to start up a new character...if things don't change between now and then ;)

Grand Lodge RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

I recall a past discussion about possible convention boons, in which I mentioned the idea of a boon that would let you start a PC at 2nd level with a set amount of gold and prestige. Could that be a piece of the future Tier 1 solution?

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nosig wrote:
"I had these Pathfinders visit me at my home for Orphans... and I decided to become one myself. Would you care for some tea?"

"And by 'tea' I mean 'whisky'," Auntie Baldwin says, her fetid breath making you regret sinking so many ranks into Perception.

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Whiskey Jack wrote:
nosig wrote:
"I had these Pathfinders visit me at my home for Orphans... and I decided to become one myself. Would you care for some tea?"
"And by 'tea' I mean 'whisky'," Auntie Baldwin says, her fetid breath making you regret sinking so many ranks into Perception.

"Well no, I do tend to add a sip or two to my tea cup" splash-splash "but I assure you" splash "it's just to word off the chill" splash "of the evening." splash.

"I wouldn't expect someone of your age to need this rememdy?" splash.

I love the "ranks into Perception" comment! I'm stealing that!

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Jiggy wrote:
I recall a past discussion about possible convention boons, in which I mentioned the idea of a boon that would let you start a PC at 2nd level with a set amount of gold and prestige. Could that be a piece of the future Tier 1 solution?

Sure, but that would only help convention-goers. While that isn't a bad thing, if something like that were being done, I'd prefer it to be more available, personally.

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Rogue Eidolon wrote:
rknop wrote:

Re: what Rogue says in the spoiler...

** spoiler omitted **

** spoiler omitted **

LOL

I had a Redeemer Paladin of Iomedae

basically:
tell his "disgusted" Andorran friend that these Orphans had it easy, as the Half-Orc recalled her days as an Orphan in Belzken. Then found out about the embezzling and rolled a 20 on Intimidate and basically ended Auntie's side business with a growl.

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Silbeg wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
I recall a past discussion about possible convention boons, in which I mentioned the idea of a boon that would let you start a PC at 2nd level with a set amount of gold and prestige. Could that be a piece of the future Tier 1 solution?
Sure, but that would only help convention-goers. While that isn't a bad thing, if something like that were being done, I'd prefer it to be more available, personally.

I guess more what I meant was "might something along those lines be part of the solution?", not so much specifically a convention boon.

Grand Lodge

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This scenario was obviously written for 6-10 year olds, who would find her actions EVIL. And not for parents of 2 or more children who would think she's doing the Lord's work and should have a statue built in her honor.

Heck, most parents probably think, "She has to take care of how many children? And she's not being paid at all or enough, to be able to hit the bottle, once or twice a day? Poor sweet woman." Conclusion, these paladins must be EVIL. :D

Liberty's Edge 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Indiana—Martinsville aka thaX

Michael Brock wrote:
thaX wrote:
I really wanted to run part three at some point, but it seems that I might not be able to before retirement. Is there any chance the third part be turned into a regular scenario. Going through the island from Absolam and ending up on the other side is a fantastic experience, even without the "first steps" introduction being attached.
You have four months to schedule and run it. You really can't find one, four hour block in the next four months to GM it?

Not likely. Another is already planning to run it at the new store, and our player base have played it to the bone. (Who's Yer Con had a lot of players run though it recently)

I just got to run Black Waters (dramatic music hit) ! last weekend and the group thoroughly enjoyed it.

I have all for "flip mats" printed and everything!!!

Sigh. I just think the last encounter is one of the best in the pathfinder line. Hate to see it go.

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Eric Saxon wrote:

This scenario was obviously written for 6-10 year olds, who would find her actions EVIL. And not for parents of 2 or more children who would think she's doing the Lord's work and should have a statue built in her honor.

Heck, most parents probably think, "She has to take care of how many children? And she's not being paid at all or enough, to be able to hit the bottle, once or twice a day? Poor sweet woman." Conclusion, these paladins must be EVIL. :D

Spoiler:

Heh. While not a parent, that was *exactly* the attitude one of my players had. She thought that the SC was terrible for thinking about depriving the poor old lady of money for teaching the children "life skills." Sure, maybe deal with the drinking ("Do you blame her?") and gambling, but give her more money if you're going to take away her means of income. ^_^

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