Disappointing Player Experience


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Sovereign Court 5/5 5/5 ** Venture-Captain, West Virginia—Charleston

CRobledo wrote:
Although technically a 1-7, ** spoiler omitted ** is regarded as a killer 1-2 as well.

Oh, duh, don't know how I forgot that one.

4/5

Also, another killer in the 1-2 subtier:

Another deadly one:
Devil We Know Part 1: Shipyard Rats

Grand Lodge

I was the only survivor of that one, the only one...

Doesn't help that our GM broke set tactics pretty badly, to our party's severe detriment.


re:difficult 1-5s Neatoliss listed

Some of those aren't hard. Some of them are. Which is why de facto "these are really hard scenarios" lists aren't very helpful without much more explanation.

5/5

Everyone is going to have a different play experience. A scenario that seems like a cakewalk to one group might be an absolutely devastating experience to another. There are so many different variables that it's difficult to make generalizations like, "Never play this scenario".

My suggestion to players is to build good, effective, and flexible characters; practice teamwork and sensible battle tactics; learn from good and bad experiences; and come to PFS with a positive attitude. Character deaths are never fun...but one of the reasons we play PFS is for the challenge and the risk. People don't quit playing basketball, Starcraft, or chess because they've lost one game :-) PFS is like anything else...it's something that YOU the player has a great deal of influence in. Of course sometimes it's due to a bad scenario, or a bad GM. But sometimes it just takes a little bit of change on the player's part to turn the tide.

2/5

I will say, "Never play a Season Four or 'famously tough' scenario at APL of 1.5 or less." Maybe even 2.0.
Most of those listed scenarios are tough at low tier, but not terribly so.
Unless you're level one...
and haven't had time to accumulate all the standard goodies. (CLW wands, iron/silver weapons, mty. comp. bows, utility scrolls/potions, etc.)
or don't know what the standard goodies are, I suppose.
But a level 2 or 3 APL can usually scrape by, lesson learned.
Level 1 PCs will die, often before the players understand what they could have done to win. Not good for the game.

Maybe 1-5 & 1-7 scenarios should come with a warning? Or maybe GMing 101 covers this, I don't know.
Veterans add +1 APL, newbies subtract -1 APL to determine appropriate play level?

rant
Also, some people get those goodies ASAP, some never do.
Played with a 6th level Barb without a ranged attack just this weekend. What? How did he make it this far without that lesson learned?
Oh, and human without a light source.
/confused rant

Maybe we need a list of intro modules to steer them to rather than a hard list to steer them from.
I'll throw Cyphermage Dilemma out there as easy. (w/ CLW wand that is.)

Cheers, JMK

1/5

Yiroep wrote:

Also, another killer in the 1-2 subtier:

** spoiler omitted **

One of the deadlier scenarios before all that affair business. I remember keeping my entire party from a tpk by tanking said deadly encounter with my witch while bringing my dying party back to life.

Silver Crusade 4/5

Yeah, it amazes me when experiences players don't have standard equipment. I played a tier 8-9 the other day, and our group almost had to give up for lack of things to kill swarms. I had two alchemist's fire (on my sorcerer who intentionally never does HP damage to anything), but nobody else in the group had any alch fire, acid, etc. Luckily, somebody had a necklace of fireballs, and there were a couple of flasks of oil around, so we managed to (barely) have enough area of effect stuff to finish the swarms off.

Silver Crusade 1/5

I remember a scenario I did on my inquisitor

Spoiler:
Shadow's Last Stand Part 1
where everybody had played at least a couple of scenarios and I was the ONLY person with a wand of CLW. It didn't help that we didn't have a dedicated healer. I used something like 15-20 charges of my wand on that scenario, most of them in the first fight.

I told the people I played with if they didn't bring their own wand next time I wouldn't use charges of mine.

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