Navarion |
Hello, I'm currently collecting ideas for a setting that is based more on antiquity than on the Middle Ages and while looking at pictures of armor from that time I wonder what it would be in Pathfinder terms.
I always considered the armor of wealthy hoplites breastplates, but according to Ultimate Equipment those don't protect the back.
Also, what would this be then?
I guess the rest would fall under everything from quilted cloth over hide and the various lamellar armors to scale mail, but those two are giving me headaches.
ParagonDireRaccoon |
A full set of hoplite armor includes helmet, shinguards, and a shield. It was designed for an optimum of mobility and protection, but the protection assumes a formation of hoplites. There are other ways to model it, but I would give hoplite armor a +3 armor bonus with a maximum dex bonus of +5 and a -1 armor check penalty. I would increase the armor bonus by 1 if used with a shield. I would create a feat (which would also count as a fighter bonus feat)
Hoplite Formation Fighting
Prerequisite BAB +1
Adds +1 circumstance bonus to AC in melee when using a shield and adjacent to another character with Hoplite Formation Fighting and a shield. this bonus increases to +2 if there are three or more characters with shields and Hoplite Formation Fighting in adjacent squares.
mplindustries |
I'd treat the Hoplite armor as a Breastplate.
The armor you pictured didn't really look like armor at all. It's like shin guards and a bandolier. I'd probably treat it with stats similar to studded leather, but it's really almost no armor at all (because clearly, they expected to be standing behind a huge shield--hence the shin guards without worrying about pants)
Navarion |
Thanks for the armor stats, would you make it medium armor?
Concerning the feat I had up to know thought to just use the phalanx soldier archetype for hoplites.
@ mplindustries
Well, this site calls them pectoral or simple breastplate, even though I would agree about the stats. It kind of looks like they didn't expect people trying not to hit it...O_o
Samasboy1 |
Greeks used different armors.
Many soldiers wore no armor beyond helmet and greaves, relying on their shields for protection. I wouldn't add an AC bonus for just wearing helmet and greaves.
One of the most common armors was the linothrax, made from many layers of stiff cloth stitched and glued together. I would stat this as leather armor in Pathfinder.
Richer soldiers sometimes had a cuirass of bronze scales, or most rarely, a solid bronze breast plate. I would stat these as scale mail or a breastplate respectively.
As for the picture of the Iberian warrior, the very small plate he is wearing would cover some vital organs. I would probably assign a +1 armor bonus. You could compare it to wearing a buckler (but as armor, so it stacks with the shield), or justify the tunic as padded armor. Either way, same stats.
Shadowdweller |
That little breastplate shown in the pictures was referred to as a 'heart protector' by the romans. It was less expensive and considered inferior to chain mail at the time. I'm not a huge roman armor buff - but I know it was used several centuries BC, when roman armor was comparatively primitive. Back in the days of the Republic.
Navarion |
The linothorax is another headache. According to this guy it offered the same protection as 2mm of bronze armor at 1/3 of the weight. Which, professor or not, doesn't explain why richer hoplites invested into a bronze breastplate if it only weighted them down. Maybe I would go with hide armor.
You're probably right with the pectorals, even though I wonder if the straps shown on the pictures would also provide a bit of extra protection, One seems to be covered with metal, the other at least studded. Strangely people who make them today don't think of that....
@Shadowdweller
That's interesting, was there any type of armor that was considered inferior to it? When I look at it I kind of have the feeling that I would rather wear boiled leather around most of my torso.