Can you make a Daemonic / Infernal contract and still be good, especially if tricked?


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I have an idea for a character that doesn't age, but if she is ever killed, she's damned to Abbadon, specifically Charon.

So, could she make a deal with Charon to be unaging, yet still remain a good person?

my actual idea is about the whole deal being done subconsciously out of fear... growing old and dying was such a strong fear that Charon took notice, granted her immunity from aging yet at the same time laid claim to her soul when she does die. While she didn't accept the deal initially, now that she knows about it (he sends her dreams of what it will be like when she dies) she doesn't realize that she never accepted the deal.


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I don't see why not. I had a Paladin who made a deal with a devil - she didn't know it was a devil, however. All she knew was that it was a nasty old spellcaster who registered as Neutral. But she signed in blood on the contract, to the terms, "Assistance in saving the one you love, for the most precious thing you own in one years time."

Needless to say, in a years time when the the guy got on one knee and said, 'My heart is yours, will you wed me?' bad things happened...


Unwilling deal, sure, why not? A willing deal, kind of a different story. Depends on the motivation behind the deal (selfish reason or not). A paladin signing a "blood" contract for kind of a selfish reason, a little sketchy to me.

Edit: I have a LN character that was duped into a contract to serve Asmodeus.


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JonGarrett wrote:

I don't see why not. I had a Paladin who made a deal with a devil - she didn't know it was a devil, however. All she knew was that it was a nasty old spellcaster who registered as Neutral. But she signed in blood on the contract, to the terms, "Assistance in saving the one you love, for the most precious thing you own in one years time."

Needless to say, in a years time when the the guy got on one knee and said, 'My heart is yours, will you wed me?' bad things happened...

Red Flag the moment he said Sign in Blood, because that's never a good sign.


First I would like to thank you for this question. Second I would like to point out that as long as it isn't specified in the contract that you have to be evil then you are free to do what you want with your life. Generally behavior contracts are rare for us to make with mortals for many of the same reasons most mortals don't want to contract for direct services with demons: it's hard to be sure that the effect you want will be achieved without untoward consequences, especially if coercion was used to achieve the contract -- different understandings of what words mean, and the like.

As to the lesser immorality contract (it is actually a fairly standard contract) we usually insist on a flawed existence clause where it's tied to a specific item (almost like a lich) where if something happens to the item you die (or in some rare cases the item is almost invulnerable but if you see it you age immediately). There are metaphysical reasons for this that would probably bore you but suffice to say it makes it easier to get the contract through.

Now I personally have done plenty of contracts throughout the millennium usually with knowing parties but occasionally with those that didn't realize who (or what) they were dealing with. But in every instance the second party had every chance to read the entire contract and was never forced into it (unlike what mortals try to do all the time with my kin) -- they choose to enter it of their own free will.

Before someone condemns me for this I would point out that angels do the same thing all the time: In fact I remember a specific story from some years (centuries? It's hard to keep track sometimes) before where a couple of angels randomly visited a town and because they didn't like the local customs decided to burn it down (though they did warn one guy who offered them hospitality -- so much for being unbiased and fair) and killed almost all the inhabitants (including those that weren't involved in the incident that upset them) -- so obviously the powers of good don't mind making decisions for mortals without their consent or knowledge: I don't see why I should be bound by laws that good doesn't follow.


I don't know if a deal with the devil can be good, but I do know a saying about a road paved with good intentions. . .It would certainly depend on the reasons, but I've heard a story about a guy who asked for eternal life to atone for something he'd done, and as a direct consequence of that deal, the entire multiverse was well on it's way toward circling the drain.

Spoiler:
For the three of you that don't know, yeah, that was the obligatory Planescape: Torment reference. There's a spiritual sequel here, if you are interested.


Yes you can but its gonna be hard and very tricky. In Sepulchrave's awesome Story Hour Tales of Wyre, the paladin PC who later becomes a sort of Chosen of his God makes a deal with Titilivus so that that one is his appointed tempter. He acquiesces to let the devil continually tempt him and in the end is purified by this process though of course it is is increasingly hard.

Read all about it here. (They get very philosophical/theological there and the action and story is deep and cool, also extraordinary use of quirky d&d/vancian magic/3e rules/epic rules. In short a must read imho).

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