Another Half-Elf Racial Trait Question(Mutliple traits gives same Bonus)

[Lord Tsarkon]

Do racial bonuses stack from the advanced Race Guide's Alternative Racial Subtypes? Page 42

For Example, the Half Elf Racial subtype Human Raised provides integrated and wary racial traits, which both give bonuses to Bluff (+1 )...

Intergrated says this racial trait gives +1 Bonus to Bluff

wary +1 racial trait bonus to Bluff

Sooo can racial traits or traits in general be added together?

PS.. Can you take the adopted trait and take the Orc Trait dirty fighter which also gives you a +3 racial Bonus to Bluff?

[Nefreet]

Racial bonuses always stack.

[Escallorak]

It's the type of bonus that matters. The bonus from integrated is untyped, so it would stack with anything. I can't find the orc trait you're talking about but if it's a racial bonus, it wouldn't stack with wary because they give the same type of bonus (as far as I can remember, the only bonus type that stacks with itself is dodge). So integrated + wary would give you +2, integrated + dirty fighter would give +4, wary + dirty fighter +3 (the highest bonus counts) and all 3 +4.

EDIT: Ninja'd, and apparently I need to read more.

[Lord Tsarkon]

Escallorak wrote:

It's the type of bonus that matters. The bonus from integrated is untyped, so it would stack with anything. I can't find the orc trait you're talking about but if it's a racial bonus, it wouldn't stack with wary because they give the same type of bonus (as far as I can remember, the only bonus type that stacks with itself is dodge). So integrated + wary would give you +2, integrated + dirty fighter would give +4, wary + dirty fighter +3 (the highest bonus counts) and all 3 +4.

EDIT: Ninja'd, and apparently I need to read more.

Dirty Fighting is from Orcs of Galorion...

Yes this is cheese but I'm trying to figure out how many bonuses you can get from traits (especially with Extra Trait Feats).

I was going to do the adopted+ Orcish trait Dirty Fighting but then noticed the 1/2 Elf Racial traits from the Advanced RACE Guide... and then was confused why 2 separate Traits would give the same bonus..

and then wondered what would happen if you did BOTH (you were raised on the human side but your parents took adopted also and were actually raised by 1/2 Orcs or something.

One messed up Family that made an advanturer that will probbaly not be allowed by my GM LOL

If anyone is wondering, I was looking at a Lore Warden(Fighter)/ Scout(Rogue) with Improved Feint (obviously) so I need a huge bonus to my Bluff checks

[Nefreet]

Trait bonuses never stack.

[Lord Tsarkon]

Nefreet wrote:

Trait bonuses never stack.

Nefreet wrote:

Racial bonuses always stack.

Thank you... for some reason I was getting them confused.

[GreenMandar]

For those that want to know where this comes from, I found where it says Race Traits stack - Advance Players Guide, New Rules Chapter, under the Traits section, second paragraph.

PRD Home > Advanced New Rules wrote:

Many traits grant a new type of bonus: a “trait” bonus. Trait bonuses do not stack—they're intended to give player characters a slight edge, not a secret backdoor way to focus all of a character's traits on one type of bonus and thus gain an unseemly advantage.

But I'm not finding where it says Racial bonuses always stack. Nefreet can you link to or copy that?

[Kazaan]

PRD wrote:

Bonus Types: Usually, a bonus has a type that indicates how the spell grants the bonus. The important aspect of bonus types is that two bonuses of the same type don't generally stack. With the exception of dodge bonuses, most circumstance bonuses, and >>racial bonuses<<, only the better bonus of a given type works (see Combining Magical Effects). The same principle applies to penalties—a character taking two or more penalties of the same type applies only the worst one, although most penalties have no type and thus always stack. Bonuses without a type always stack, unless they are from the same source.

Source.

[GreenMandar]

I forget that it's under Magic.
Thanks Kazaan.

[Nefreet]

I rolled poorly for initiative.