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Michael Brock wrote:
Also, what measurement should we use to determine what GMs that cant make conventions should receive boons? Run a game once a week? Once a month? GMs at conventions are giving Pathfinder and PFS exposure to a lot of players, and some potentially new customers, where GMs at the FLGS may only be giving exposure of our products to the same four players once a month and not bringing in any new customers.

Interesting. I was going to ask why you need to "bribe" (okay, that's an exaggeration) people to play and GM at cons in the first place. Luckily you answered my question: because games at conventions expose the game to new players. That makes sense!

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I'm not sure we should make a difference between "store" GM and any non-convention GM. You already have a system for "rewarding" GMs with the star system. I would imagine a decent way to reward frequent GMs would be to apply some kind of boon reward with getting stars.

Something like:
a special wayfinder boon for star one,
a non slot item untyped bonus for a choice of skill for star 2,
an extra feat for star 3,
special star only race boon for star 4.

Conventions are a great draw just being conventions and the current boon support is excellent. Having a couple of boons for GMing outside of conventions would be nice, and having them be different would keep people wanting conventions.


I guess the boons most non-conventions boons would want would be tied with them GMing.

For example, I end up with quite a few low-level characters that are GM credit babies. They are usually level 3 before I ever play them, because I personally do not like levels 1-2.

Unfortunately, this means I do not get to benefit from the lvl 1 retraining. If my level 3 character ends up not being fun to play, it's tough cookies. Maybe a good boon may be a limited retrain boon, such as any character that hasn't reached 4th level.

Maybe a boon to get credit for a single chronicle sheet you have received credit for before? So if I GMed a scenario that had a neat boon but no character at the time that could ever use it and I change my mind, I could GM the scenario again to get it.

Those are my only 2 ideas from thinking about it 5 minutes. I think that boons that appeal to the nuances that come with regular GMing would be neat.


You can definitely get convention boons at non-conventions. The only requirement I know of is the 15 table minimum. If you can scrounge up 15 table of play in a 1-3 day period you can apply for support. Our monthly game day in St. Louis runs 15-18 tables in one day (5-6 tables per slot with 3 slots). As such we have support for that game day and every player gets a little token that we can cash in for a chance at boons.

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Kintrik wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
Kintrik wrote:


I agree convention boons should be special, and keeping the race boons...

WotC did this for many years only they called it the Player Rewards system, sending out free cards and what not based on how much you had played. They stopped it because it was a drain on their resources that, while well liked by the community, was not sustainable.

Sure its only one stamp, an envelope, a little ink, and a piece of paper to send out a boon to a GM, but we have roughly 750k Pathfinder numbers floating out there, if they all reach that first prize level that is a lot of money just pouring out of Piazo... Then you have to examine it from the angle of all those people who are going to want retroactive boons, because its not fair to them that this system wasn't in place for all of their dedication. Where does it end? The answer is it doesn't... The more money we ask Paizo to spend making us all feel warm and fuzzy inside the less money they have to spend putting out new content.

I understand some of you have difficulty getting to cons and if you want more PFS in your area and some of those bigger cons do something about it. Cons are not started by megacorporations or mystic aliens coming from outer space... they are started by a bunch of people all passionate about something. Get your friends together and start your own con... Do it over a weekend 3 days of gaming 1-3 time slots of multiple tables will easily meet that 15 table requirement to qualify you for some boons. Grow your own community and I promise you the only real problem you are going to run into is not enough hours in the day to play.

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I think all GMs, no matter how frequently or often they GM should get the same base kind of reward, and then maybe extra stuff should be given out to those who GM a lot at cons and such.

I think a good baseline for all GMs who run a scenario (the first time they run it) should get a chronicle with full gold, Fame, Exp, item access, and any boons of their choice for any of their characters who fall into the level range, or the ability to apply the sheet to a character who hasnt yet reached the level of the chronicle, and can get access to it upon reaching the minimum level for the chronicle.

Oh wait.

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Seth Gipson wrote:

I think all GMs, no matter how frequently or often they GM should get the same base kind of reward, and then maybe extra stuff should be given out to those who GM a lot at cons and such.

I think a good baseline for all GMs who run a scenario (the first time they run it) should get a chronicle with full gold, Fame, Exp, item access, and any boons of their choice for any of their characters who fall into the level range, or the ability to apply the sheet to a character who hasnt yet reached the level of the chronicle, and can get access to it upon reaching the minimum level for the chronicle.

Oh wait.

Capital idea! I support this fully.

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Nuku wrote:
Email is a wonderful thing.

Who has time to send 40,000 emails? I certainly don't. And before anyone advises it can be automated, someone has to program the system to make that happen and IT is at full capacity now without adding new things to their list.

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GMs who regularly do public store events who also coordinate these events with their local Venture Captain should receive some kind of recognition, eventually, by the VC involved- to me, it is up to the VC to make that happen within the PFS organized play guidelines.

If you are a home GM, your players should be rewarding you with beer. If they are not, fie and shame on them!

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Michael Brock wrote:
Nuku wrote:
Email is a wonderful thing.
Who has time to send 40,000 emails? I certainly don't. And before anyone advises it can be automated, someone has to program the system to make that happen and IT is at full capacity now without adding new things to their list.

What kind of reward program would be feasible then? I was trying to think of something that wouldn't have a dollar amount associated with it.


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Michael Brock wrote:
Nuku wrote:
Email is a wonderful thing.
Who has time to send 40,000 emails? I certainly don't. And before anyone advises it can be automated, someone has to program the system to make that happen and IT is at full capacity now without adding new things to their list.

How about one generic email with multiple recipients?


Chris Ballard wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
Nuku wrote:
Email is a wonderful thing.
Who has time to send 40,000 emails? I certainly don't. And before anyone advises it can be automated, someone has to program the system to make that happen and IT is at full capacity now without adding new things to their list.
How about one generic email with multiple recipients?

give up on the email idea guys .. Mike just said it wasn't gonig to happen right now...

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Hmm, now that I think about it...

I do get a reward from my FLGS(s), they give me a discount on stuff I buy. I'm sure if I GM enough at Packrat Jamie and Theresa would do similar (And they have tons of OOP stuff too).

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Kintrik wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
Nuku wrote:
Email is a wonderful thing.
Who has time to send 40,000 emails? I certainly don't. And before anyone advises it can be automated, someone has to program the system to make that happen and IT is at full capacity now without adding new things to their list.
What kind of reward program would be feasible then? I was trying to think of something that wouldn't have a dollar amount associated with it.

That's what I'm asking all of you.

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Chris Ballard wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
Nuku wrote:
Email is a wonderful thing.
Who has time to send 40,000 emails? I certainly don't. And before anyone advises it can be automated, someone has to program the system to make that happen and IT is at full capacity now without adding new things to their list.
How about one generic email with multiple recipients?

So, how long would it take to type in 8000 email addresses? Even one generic email doesn't help because of the time involved. Any other suggestions?


Michael Brock wrote:
Kintrik wrote:


No I don't mean physical goods. I don't consider boons to be physical goods, and I don't want them to make the race boons available outside of conventions either. The 1 scenario a season for 4+ star GMs is a mini reward, as that same scenario is made available the next season to everyone.

Come up with something that recognizes those that GM non stop for their local PFS community. Boons that give extra prestige, access to items, something.

It just seems that convention GMs are valued greater then local GMs, and I feel that is wrong.

So, if we give boons to GMs that can't make it to conventions but can run regular game days at their FLGS, is that all that is needed to make people happy? If so, then I can definitely look into a program for that.

But, then I think we start getting people that only GM for their home group, and have four stars who advise they GM a good bit and should get the same boons as the store GMs.

Where do we draw the line?

Also, what measurement should we use to determine what GMs that cant make conventions should receive boons? Run a game once a week? Once a month? GMs at conventions are giving Pathfinder and PFS exposure to a lot of players, and some potentially new customers, where GMs at the FLGS may only be giving exposure of our products to the same four players once a month and not bringing in any new customers. Again, where is the line drawn? Because, if I send a boon to a GM that runs a game every week, the GM that runs a game once a month is going to be advising the same thing you are right now.

And how about the GM who runs games online? Do we give them boons also, even though the exposure to new customers is even less than the two above?

Also, if we give the weekly store GM the same boon as conventions, then what do we use to draw people to conventions? And please have more than just a race boon as a suggestion.

This is one if the things I haven't understood since i started PFS a few years ago. I always assumed it was based on the Living Greyhawk style that 3.5 used. But in that regard LG used the record of how many games you GMed within the year to base what boons they sent you in the mail. People GM all the time, why do only conventions get special boons for it? Is there some reason you have to get people to go GM at conventions? Honestly most people GM at conventions to get a free ticket inside, because that is what is usually offered, why do they need more? (this is based just on my experience) If they are getting the normal GM boon that ALL gms would get under this program that would be enough imo.

Yes we have a lot of stores that run PFS games in this area. We also have pretty large problems getting enough GMs for tables, which ends up making certain people have to run over and over, which burns them out and they stop coming (ie cheyanne, she has a 7th level character she has only played once ever, and now hasn't shown up for over a year)

Now the 'extra feat' boon suggested i think is too powerful. but i think some suggestions mentioned would be appropriate
- getting a 'shirt reroll'
- 'bonus to day job checks (plus maybe an increased cap like a previous boon has)
- custom made templates for 20 or 30 foot burst.
- some other type of player boon instead of character, maybe special miniatures
- special DIFFERENT race boons, different from convention race boons (although i'm ok with the restriction of races, this could also be maybe class options or something normally not allowed)
i cannot remember any other boons i got from back then (i think i threw all mine away), but if anyone has any and can list a few i think they were good representations of what could be offered. but note that they were randomly determined and some were better than others. the only way to get a complete set for the year was to GM a lot to make sure you got them all, because if you didn't you would get less than the total that year and those would be randomly determined, so you might miss out on good ones.

anyway my 2 coppers on it, hope you find some of this useful.

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If IT time is at such a high premium that simple scripts cannot be written, then no, I have no suggestion. It is not possible at this time.

Maybe in the future.

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Kintrik wrote:


What kind of reward program would be feasible then? I was trying to think of something that wouldn't have a dollar amount associated with it.

The problem is everything has a dollar amount associated with it. If they have to set up an email system to auto send a boon upon reaching a benchmark they still have to pay someone to program that into a system.

I really do understand people's desire when it comes to getting boons, but there is a system in place and if you want boons there are several things YOU can do about it.
1. Set up a convention/gameday and email your VC, maybe they have an extra boon or two lying around and they would be happy to donate them to you. Or get it large enough and email Mike Brock about getting convention support.
2. Go to a Convention. This costs you money but will very likely net you more than one boon.
3. Beg people who have boons for a free one, this will likely not make you any friends.

Personally I think the system works well enough and doesn't need revision.


Nuku wrote:

If IT time is at such a high premium that simple scripts cannot be written, then no, I have no suggestion. It is not possible at this time.

Maybe in the future.

personally, I'd rather have IT working on new projects or whatever it is they do in their cave, than writing an email script.

product > script imo


oh also i should mention that atomic empire (which was called scifi genre up until last september) also moved into a new store along with changing their name, and has space in the back half of their store set aside for gaming, which can hold easily 100 people. they can have whole conventions there if they wanted to, easily sitting 16 (or more) tables of pathfinder.

i've already talked to the owners (theyre friends of mine) about having quarterly or yearly generic conventions (not just pfs, but games in general), but haven't heard from them about it (i think theyre still recovering from moving their store)


Purple Fluffy CatBunnyGnome wrote:
Nuku wrote:

If IT time is at such a high premium that simple scripts cannot be written, then no, I have no suggestion. It is not possible at this time.

Maybe in the future.

personally, I'd rather have IT working on new projects or whatever it is they do in their cave, than writing an email script.

product > script imo

I would think that the IT folks deal with the website, and not any pathfinder content, since that is apples and oranges.

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asthyril wrote:
Purple Fluffy CatBunnyGnome wrote:
Nuku wrote:

If IT time is at such a high premium that simple scripts cannot be written, then no, I have no suggestion. It is not possible at this time.

Maybe in the future.

personally, I'd rather have IT working on new projects or whatever it is they do in their cave, than writing an email script.

product > script imo

I would think that the IT folks deal with the website, and not any pathfinder content, since that is apples and oranges.

IT very likely keeps all computers, servers, website, and email working tip top. If they are programming a new email script that means they aren't doing the rest of their job, which will still need to get done. That means hiring a new person or paying people overtime, both of which costs money. The more they spend on business expenses the less they spend on putting out new content.

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Steven Huffstutler wrote:
Kintrik wrote:


What kind of reward program would be feasible then? I was trying to think of something that wouldn't have a dollar amount associated with it.

The problem is everything has a dollar amount associated with it. If they have to set up an email system to auto send a boon upon reaching a benchmark they still have to pay someone to program that into a system.

I really do understand people's desire when it comes to getting boons, but there is a system in place and if you want boons there are several things YOU can do about it.
1. Set up a convention/gameday and email your VC, maybe they have an extra boon or two lying around and they would be happy to donate them to you. Or get it large enough and email Mike Brock about getting convention support.
2. Go to a Convention. This costs you money but will very likely net you more than one boon.
3. Beg people who have boons for a free one, this will likely not make you any friends.

Personally I think the system works well enough and doesn't need revision.

I don't think you really get what we are talking about so I am just going to stop talking.


The more I think about it, the more I keep thinking Seth has the correct idea.

Move me to this camp.

Seth Gipson wrote:

I think all GMs, no matter how frequently or often they GM should get the same base kind of reward, and then maybe extra stuff should be given out to those who GM a lot at cons and such.

I think a good baseline for all GMs who run a scenario (the first time they run it) should get a chronicle with full gold, Fame, Exp, item access, and any boons of their choice for any of their characters who fall into the level range, or the ability to apply the sheet to a character who hasnt yet reached the level of the chronicle, and can get access to it upon reaching the minimum level for the chronicle.

Oh wait.

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Kintrik wrote:

I don't think you really get what we are talking about so I am just going to stop talking.

I understand exactly what people are talking about they want a system in place to get boons for being an active GM or hosting games.

I am a proponent for not changing the system, as a GM you take zero risk for a scenario and get full credit. If you get up to 4 stars you get to run exclusives and you get higher priority when it comes to Mike Brock picking out GMs at Cons. The benefits of GMing are a very real thing.

If we start rewarding people even more for GMing we encourage people to start GMing just to get cool boons and not to provide a fun and exciting experience for their table. I know there are people who would step up to gm and go through the motions with the bare minimum of effort in the knowledge that if they do it enough they will get a boon out of it. I don't want that for the society, so I may be taking too hard of an edge on it, but I am against a program that does that.


asthyril wrote:
This is one if the things I haven't understood since i started PFS a few years ago. I always assumed it was based on the Living Greyhawk style that 3.5 used. But in that regard LG used the record of how many games you GMed within the year to base what boons they sent you in the mail. People GM all the time, why do only conventions get special boons for it?

As noted above, Mike believes that convention games are more useful for drawing new people into playing Pathfinder.

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hogarth wrote:
As noted above, Mike believes that convention games are more useful for drawing new people into playing Pathfinder.

They are very useful for drawing in new people to Pathfinder. At Radcon 6A in the tri-cities area in Washington We handed out around 45-50 Pathfinder numbers to new people and had two separate groups of people ask us how to start up their own lodge in the area. It was a first offering of Pathfinder Society at Radcon and a smashing success.

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I judge some, not as much as I should...
Rewards are nice, but not the reason I judge. I'm not sure if I'd like to have a judge that just did it for the reward, ... already had one of those. Here's a link to an older post with an example of a judge doing it for the rewards.

Link to old story

Want to reward your judge at a con? buy him a drink before his next game. Heck, I've looked up a judge after a game at a Con, as he was starting his next slot, to drop off a cold bottled water. No need to even say anything (he's prepping to run his next slot anyway).


would you rather have a judge doing it for the rewards, or no judge at all? that's all i'm saying. we have lost very good players because of burn out, because people do not step up to GM as much as people play.

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I'd like to say that there is an easy solution to this, but the truth is that there is not. Every way imaginable has a tangible cost associated with it. Time is money after all and someone would have to organize all this. The issue of GM's getting boons for non-conventions has been brought up over and over.

So we have to go with what is currently being offered, which by the way is not all that bad, granted its not the best solution but it is the current solution we have.

For those GM's that have store big enough to have 3 tables - try getting the FLGS to allow you to organize PFS Game weekend (Mini-con) and get 15 tables set-up. I know this sounds a bit overwhelming to set-up off the bat. Just give it a shot. This is the quick way. I believe there is a more detailed thread on conventions on the messageboards.

1. 60 days prior - lock the dates with the Store(s). See if they would be willing to provide a discount to participants.
2. Notify your local VO/GM's for additional support and participation make + announce the event on Paizo.com
3. Once thats done: Decide Table count (start slow - 15 Tables max)
4. Make flyers on the cheap (need help with this I'll send you my generic 8 x 11 flyer that you can modify)and pass out at all gamer venues/meetup groups/yahoo/gmail groups/local colleges
5. Setup a Warhorn Page/email or a Simple sign-up sheet at the store.
6. 50-45days Out- Fill out a convention request form and email to Mike Brock.
7. 45-20 days out - reassess sign-ups and GM's to ensure you've got this covered.
8. Make sure you have an assistant for these days (friend/signf othr/fellow GM, etc)
9. 10 days out - estimate possible table adjustments based on sign-ups. (i.e. Scenario 4-01 will need 2 tables b/c no one signed up for 4-02.)
10 3 days out - print a copy of every chronicle plus 7 sheets for every slot you are running this on. Also print Reporting sheets/boons/Pregens 10x each - (stick to the 4 generics Wiz/FTR/Rog/Clr)

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nosig wrote:

I judge some, not as much as I should...

Rewards are nice, but not the reason I judge. I'm not sure if I'd like to have a judge that just did it for the reward, ... already had one of those. Here's a link to an older post with an example of a judge doing it for the rewards.

Link to old story

That is the exact reason I am not in favor of a GM boon reward system. More of that WILL happen.

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Steven Huffstutler wrote:
Kintrik wrote:

I don't think you really get what we are talking about so I am just going to stop talking.

I understand exactly what people are talking about they want a system in place to get boons for being an active GM or hosting games.

I am a proponent for not changing the system, as a GM you take zero risk for a scenario and get full credit. If you get up to 4 stars you get to run exclusives and you get higher priority when it comes to Mike Brock picking out GMs at Cons. The benefits of GMing are a very real thing.

If we start rewarding people even more for GMing we encourage people to start GMing just to get cool boons and not to provide a fun and exciting experience for their table. I know there are people who would step up to gm and go through the motions with the bare minimum of effort in the knowledge that if they do it enough they will get a boon out of it. I don't want that for the society, so I may be taking too hard of an edge on it, but I am against a program that does that.

Actually no, you think it is about getting boons. It isn't for me. Getting the boon is more about showing support for those that actually support PFS week in and week out. We would just like to feel equal to convention GMs, when right now we are not. Even though we probably care more about the games we run and the players we kill then they do.

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On a side note for people not thinking there are other rewards for GMing, let me add one. If you come to Gen Con, there is a big reward. For four and five star GMs, they get to choose what schedule and what scenarios they want to run two weeks before the open call goes out. If they qualify for a hotel room,they also get to pick their room mates two weeks before the open call goes out. So, that is an additional benefit to being a 4 or 5 star.

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well... most Judges I see at CONs are Judges in stores/homes/etc. too.
.
This past weekend I went to a mini-con. I left work two hours early, drove over an hour to another town, spend two nights in a motel and played four PFS games (and had ALOT of fun). Three of my Four judges were people I play for in my local venue. That I see all the time. The forth was local to where the CON was and I'm sure he judges games there someplace (he was good - which comes with experience).

I hope they got rewards - but I'd hate to think they judged just for the rewards. (I know they didn't).

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Michael Brock wrote:
On a side note for people not thinking there are other rewards for GMing, let me add one. If you come to Gen Con, there is a big reward. For four and five star GMs, they get to choose what schedule and what scenarios they want to run two weeks before the open call goes out. If they qualify for a hotel room,they also get to pick their room mates two weeks before the open call goes out. So, that is an additional benefit to being a 4 or 5 star.

Again it is convention based. This whole thread started about non convention GMs. A way to show support to those that provide games out of conventions. I guess it is just too hard, or not worth the risk of bad apples for some. So sorry I contributing to coming up with something.

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Kintrik wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
On a side note for people not thinking there are other rewards for GMing, let me add one. If you come to Gen Con, there is a big reward. For four and five star GMs, they get to choose what schedule and what scenarios they want to run two weeks before the open call goes out. If they qualify for a hotel room,they also get to pick their room mates two weeks before the open call goes out. So, that is an additional benefit to being a 4 or 5 star.
Again it is convention based. This whole thread started about non convention GMs. A way to show support to those that provide games out of conventions. I guess it is just too hard, or not worth the risk of bad apples for some. So sorry I contributing to coming up with something.

Easy there. Take a deep breath. I was just mentioning it since some others had asked what other rewards were out there and I don't think I've made that public.

When there are realistic options that can be done, then I will look at them. Until then, the current system isn't broken,

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Kintrik wrote:


Actually no, you think it is about getting boons. It isn't for me. Getting the boon is more about showing support for those that actually support PFS week in and week out. We would just like to feel equal to convention GMs, when right now we are not. Even though we probably care more about the games we run and the players we kill then they do.

And you are so far off base here I don't know where to start. Home game GMs run for people they like and are comfortable with. Convention GMs make the same exact preparations to GM a game, and GM for whoever shows up.

In the first part of your sentence, you mentioned you wanted to feel equal to convention GMs then you turn around in the same sentence and say you care more about (aka..are better than) the game as opposed to convention GMs. Really?


Michael Brock wrote:
Convention GMs make the same exact preparations to GM a game, and GM for whoever shows up.

Most store games work that way too, in my experience.


Kintrik wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
On a side note for people not thinking there are other rewards for GMing, let me add one. If you come to Gen Con, there is a big reward. For four and five star GMs, they get to choose what schedule and what scenarios they want to run two weeks before the open call goes out. If they qualify for a hotel room,they also get to pick their room mates two weeks before the open call goes out. So, that is an additional benefit to being a 4 or 5 star.
Again it is convention based. This whole thread started about non convention GMs. A way to show support to those that provide games out of conventions. I guess it is just too hard, or not worth the risk of bad apples for some. So sorry I contributing to coming up with something.

Kintrik, I'm not sure that your point is completely coming across to most of us, or at least to me. I'm going to attribute this to the possibility that there is a small language barrier.

What I gather from your posts is that you think and feel (strongly) is that there needs to be something for the home/gameday GM... that is really moreso in the perview of the local coordinator or regional coordiator in the area to provide that. Paizo and Mike are moreso responsible for the larger picture and that larger picture is comprised mainly of conventions such as Paizocon and Gencon.

Regional coordiators can request prize support for their smaller local conventions.

Yes, I know I'm using the word convention a lot and that is going to throw you into a tizzy... but the fact of the matter is, the boons that everyone is yammering about were created first and foremost as a hook to getting people to come to and GM at larger conventions to display the game so that people would buy more product. The boons were not created with the intention of using them as a giveaway for local gamedays -- that defeats the purpose of them being a hook for conventions.

Unfortunately that is the way it is for now ... it's the way it's been for the past 4 seasons of PFS and I'm going to go out on a limb and state that that is the way it's going to be for a few more.

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asthyril wrote:
Yes we have a lot of stores that run PFS games in this area. We also have pretty large problems getting enough GMs for tables, which ends up making certain people have to run over and over, which burns them out and they stop coming (ie cheyanne, she has a 7th level character she has only played once ever, and now hasn't shown up for over a year)

Can you do me a favor? - personally invite Cheyanne to Atomic Empire's Year of the Shadow Lodge event next month. I would love to meet her. Also, can you provide me a link to her Paizo username? I'd like to check her stars and reward accordingly with custom dice. I'll have one for you, too, this Saturday. Congrats on your first star (though you've GMed much more than got reported).

Grand Lodge 5/5 Pathfinder Society Campaign Coordinator

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hogarth wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
Convention GMs make the same exact preparations to GM a game, and GM for whoever shows up.
Most store games work that way too, in my experience.

And I've sent boons to FLGS game days when they ran 15 tables over a day or two. I sent boons to two stores in the past week.

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hogarth wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
Convention GMs make the same exact preparations to GM a game, and GM for whoever shows up.
Most store games work that way too, in my experience.

Save that at a local store you know most of the people that are likely to show up. Consider 'that guy' that as a local GM you know how to handle to minimize the bad he often brings to the table. At a convention you can end up with an entire table full of 'that guy' and there's not much you can do but grin and bare it.

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Michael Brock wrote:
Kintrik wrote:


Actually no, you think it is about getting boons. It isn't for me. Getting the boon is more about showing support for those that actually support PFS week in and week out. We would just like to feel equal to convention GMs, when right now we are not. Even though we probably care more about the games we run and the players we kill then they do.

And you are so far off base here I don't know where to start. Home game GMs run for people they like and are comfortable with. Convention GMs make the same exact preparations to GM a game, and GM for whoever shows up.

In the first part of your sentence, you mentioned you wanted to feel equal to convention GMs then you turn around in the same sentence and say you care more about (aka..are better than) the game as opposed to convention GMs. Really?

Ouch! Mr. Brock, some of us judge at stores and also have very little control over who shows up at our table. I'd go so far as to say sometimes we get stuck with people we'd really rather NOT judge for.

Not to say that I do not agree totally with what you say ... just this one thing was maybe a bit off.


nosig wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
Kintrik wrote:


Actually no, you think it is about getting boons. It isn't for me. Getting the boon is more about showing support for those that actually support PFS week in and week out. We would just like to feel equal to convention GMs, when right now we are not. Even though we probably care more about the games we run and the players we kill then they do.

And you are so far off base here I don't know where to start. Home game GMs run for people they like and are comfortable with. Convention GMs make the same exact preparations to GM a game, and GM for whoever shows up.

In the first part of your sentence, you mentioned you wanted to feel equal to convention GMs then you turn around in the same sentence and say you care more about (aka..are better than) the game as opposed to convention GMs. Really?

Ouch! Mr. Brock, some of us judge at stores and also have very little control over who shows up at our table. I'd go so far as to say sometimes we get stuck with people we'd really rather NOT judge for.

Not to say that I do not agree totally with what you say ... just this one thing was maybe a bit off.

Not necessairly .. there are three different variations of GM being used in this thread

Home GM -- GMs for a standard home game
Gameday GM -- GMs at a local gameday
Convention GM -- GMs at a convention

While one person can be all three, at the same time.. There is a distinction between home gm and gameday gm ... a home gm is generally (as mike said) going to like the people in the group and will generally have been the one to have invited the group into their home.

The gameday GM, is to an extent, a form of a convention gm, however, they have the bonus of knowing the players that will be there and how to prep for "that guy" whereas convention gms get the luck of the draw as to who is going to be at their table.

I think mike made an accurate comment, if not an all inclusive comment to every form of GM that there is.

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nosig wrote:


Ouch! Mr. Brock, some of us judge at stores and also have very little control over who shows up at our table. I'd go so far as to say sometimes we get stuck with people we'd really rather NOT judge for.

Not to say that I do not agree totally with what you say ... just this one thing was maybe a bit off.

I never said anything different than what you just reiterated. You took me saying "home game GMs" and replaced it with you saying "store GMs". That isn't what I said. Read my statement again.

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Since I first joined PFS, I've only been able to make it to 3 cons, and *all* of those mainly because they were within a 1 hour drive from where I was at the time. I'm a grad student and don't have enough disposable income to make trips all over the place (I *swear* that GenCon being in Indy was not one of the reasons I applied to IU).

When I first started playing PFS, and then judging/GMing, I didn't even know about boons until a friend I made on these very boards (yes, another Mike) introduced me to the seasonal boons, which my local players thought were really neat.

It wasn't until gencon that I learned about con boons, and I saw them as kind of a special reward for supporting the game - not just by playing it or judging it often, but for spending money out of our own pockets / taking the time away from life to come to a gaming convention and play, GM, and share in the awesome experience that is 100+ tables full of Pathfinder Society characters going on adventures "together" as it were all at the same time, and getting to meet and interact with the people who run the PFS system and write the scenarios and modules we play.

When some people in my local area were talking about a boon I had gotten at gencon, and expressed dismay that they couldn't afford to go to cons like that, we started talking about running a local convention out of our FLGS. Two weeks later, we had created "CommonCon" (our FLGS is "The Common Room" - great place by the by!) and planned to run 16 tables over the course of two days.

One month later we had so much interest that our estimates went up to 22 tables, and we had to find a different space. Working with the local IU gamer's organization we got an amazing rate at the student union, and with the small entry fees ($10 for 2 days) the con paid for itself. Paizo and Mike Brock sent us a case of PFS Tales novels and half a dozen hardcover/softcover Pathfinder books, plus a bunch of con boons personalized with our con's name on them for players, and a GM boon for everyone who ran games at our con!

I never started off wanting to GM for rewards or prizes. In fact, I'm starting to love playing so much that I like to GM things I *won't* get credit for, just so I can play my own characters when I can without having to cross off lots of scenarios that they can't go into because I got GM credit on that one for them.

But if you're really looking to get boons for yourself and your local area, talk to a few local GMs and the FLGS owners nearby and put something together. All it took us to get started here were a few emails, a facebook presence, and a few phone calls with people who had local connections. If an underpaid and overworked grad student can get that going, anyone can! :)

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Michael Brock wrote:
nosig wrote:


Ouch! Mr. Brock, some of us judge at stores and also have very little control over who shows up at our table. I'd go so far as to say sometimes we get stuck with people we'd really rather NOT judge for.

Not to say that I do not agree totally with what you say ... just this one thing was maybe a bit off.

I never said anything different than what you just reiterated. You took me saying "home game GMs" and replaced it with you saying "store GMs". That isn't what I said. Read my statement again.

I most humblely retract what I said. You are correct. You said "home game" and I heard "Non-Convention". so I was reacting to something you had not said.

(PFCBG - actually, most of the CONs in my area have pre-signup, on Warhorn. The local venues do not. So, yeah, we do things wierd in St. Louis. ;) I have no idea who will be at my table tonight (well, maybe one guy). Or even if I will be judging. I had a good idea who was going to be at my tables this last weekend at the CON. for that I just checked Warhorn).

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