Do paladins, clerics, or any other "church" classes have to tithe a % of their income in Pathfinder?
No. Nothing in those class descriptions mention anything about having to tithe, at least in the core rules.
If you play in Golarian, that may be different. I don't know enough about the setting to answer, but I doubt that a tithe is required.
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That is mostly up to the DM and the individual PC. Technically speaking, no, but come on, even active church-goers that AREN'T fantastically wealthy adventurers tithe money to the church. If you are a good aligned cleric or paladin, while its not required of you to do it if you don't thats... well thats kind of lame. Selfish and such. Plus, when the lowly farmer sees that the cleric has all these fancy magic items but doesn't even drop his fair share of gold into the collection plate, that farmer will think "Well why do I have to?" Over time, this leads to loss of faith in the cleric's god, making the god angry, and eventually stray lightning bolts start hitting the cleric... Again, there is no rule on tithing, it's all up to the DM and PC.
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There's no such rule.
That doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't do it, but that's more of an RP thing. Should the PC cleric tithe? Should the PC wizard spend money on unrelated arcane research? Should the barbarian be spending money on beer and "companions"?
In fact, why aren't the non-clerics tithing? If this is some tax required of all god-fearing people, why not the wizard and fighter?
Oh, and consider the reverse. Tithes get spent on something, something relevant to the religion. Like hiring PCs to defeat demons, maybe. Or to raise fallen clerics from the dead. So it can be a bit like paying yourself; if you're the senior cleric, you might be the one deciding what the tithe money gets used on...
It's good that there is no such game rule randomly saying "this class gets less treasure, after taxes", but there's RP potential here.
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That doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't do it, but that's more of an RP thing. Should the PC cleric tithe? Should the PC wizard spend money on unrelated arcane research? Should the barbarian be spending money on beer and "companions"?
In fact, why aren't the non-clerics tithing? If this is some tax required of all god-fearing people, why not the wizard and fighter?
Oh, and consider the reverse. Tithes get spent on something, something relevant to the religion. Like hiring PCs to defeat demons, maybe. Or to raise fallen clerics from the dead. So it can be a bit like paying yourself; if you're the senior cleric, you might be the one deciding what the tithe money gets used on...
This. If your GM is really into city economics, the party can actually fund many civic works projects that, with time, will make the city grow, which in turn makes property values go up (your party has some property right?) as well as the GP limit for buying and selling magic items. Also good.
Only if your GM says so.
And even then there's no reason your PC can't skip town and go adventuring. What's the church gonna do, send tax collectors after you?
Although... That might just be something the Church of Abadar would try...
The Paladins and Clerics are obviously using the money to further the church's goals. Some could say they are giving all of their money to the church. If that 10% of gold goes towards a silver blade to slay a mighty lich, I think the church would be happy with that. Otherwise, you might still have that lich roaming about. I don't think Sarenrae would be happy about that...
It might be a good idea to do so... when you retire.
Seems like the most sensible course for an active adventurer. Personally, I'd say that tithing isn't really needful when they're out in the field doing their god's works, and spending all the treasure they find on making themselves better at serving their god. The Paladin isn't buying a new sword so he can show it off and brag about how awesome it is, he's getting it so he can smite his god's enemies more effectively.
That's not to mention that not all clerics/paladins/other divine casters are going to belong to an organized church in the first place. Core rules don't require them to worship a god, and the Golarion-specific rules have plenty of minor, obscure deities that don't seem to enjoy widespread worship.
paladins and cleric risk their lives to further the goals of their church. why would they have to pay money in order to do so?
Do paladins, clerics, or any other "church" classes have to tithe a % of their income in Pathfinder?
Only if they are Christian.
BTW: For all those asking what the church will do if said Paladin or Cleric or Inquisitor etc. doesn't tithe. The church may not be able to do anything, but the deity certainly can. Funny how none of your spells are working today.
That is mostly up to the DM and the individual PC. Technically speaking, no, but come on, even active church-goers that AREN'T fantastically wealthy adventurers tithe money to the church. If you are a good aligned cleric or paladin, while its not required of you to do it if you don't thats... well thats kind of lame. Selfish and such. Plus, when the lowly farmer sees that the cleric has all these fancy magic items but doesn't even drop his fair share of gold into the collection plate, that farmer will think "Well why do I have to?"
Over time, this leads to loss of faith in the cleric's god, making the god angry, and eventually stray lightning bolts start hitting the cleric... Again, there is no rule on tithing, it's all up to the DM and PC.
Whoa, there is no logical connection between paying tithe and losing faith. You can totaly follow and god without paying him money.
The Christisan god requires it as he actually asks for it. Unless the god physically asks (like Chrisrtian one did), why woiuld you assume he wants it. Seems like greed of man to assume their god should copy christian one and ask for money (even when they god never asked).
That is mostly up to the DM and the individual PC. Technically speaking, no, but come on, even active church-goers that AREN'T fantastically wealthy adventurers tithe money to the church. If you are a good aligned cleric or paladin, while its not required of you to do it if you don't thats... well thats kind of lame. Selfish and such. Plus, when the lowly farmer sees that the cleric has all these fancy magic items but doesn't even drop his fair share of gold into the collection plate, that farmer will think "Well why do I have to?"
Over time, this leads to loss of faith in the cleric's god, making the god angry, and eventually stray lightning bolts start hitting the cleric... Again, there is no rule on tithing, it's all up to the DM and PC.
Whoa, there is no logical connection between paying tithe and losing faith. You can totaly follow and god without paying him money.
The Christisan god requires it as he actually asks for it. Unless the god physically asks (like Chrisrtian one did), why woiuld you assume he wants it. Seems like greed of man to assume their god should copy christian one and ask for money (even when they god never asked).
I don't know about you but I go to church every other week and I've never heard God ask if I could lend him $20.
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"And I say ladies and gentlemen, the power of Sarenrae is a-flowing through ya! PRAISE the Dawnflower and ya shall receive her POWERFUL healing into ya body, amen!
Ma'am, I say Asmodeus BEGONE from your body, in the name of Sarenrae. Sarenrae is BURNING the cancer from your body, Amen!"
...Yes, this is a thing that is going to happen now.
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"And I say ladies and gentlemen, the power of Sarenrae is a-flowing through ya! PRAISE the Dawnflower and ya shall receive her POWERFUL healing into ya body, amen!
Ma'am, I say Asmodeus BEGONE from your body, in the name of Sarenrae. Sarenrae is BURNING the cancer from your body, Amen!"
...Yes, this is a thing that is going to happen now.
I felt the need to post this.
Yeah, back in the old days all of our characters had to tithe, or else they'd get a visit from their deity.
No, we didn't have any atheist characters because the gods would visit THEM first.
And the gods didn't really allow anyone to remain uncommitted. For long.
These days my characters do or don't tithe as it suits their personality. Most of them don't.
I hve had some characters donate, but a true tithe (10%) was never asked of them. I have had one character who kept receiving quests from the church. He did give a lot to them but seemed to always have what he needed when he needed it.
While I don't have a problem with a player donating to the church, Tithing is a bit too Judeo-Christian for my tastes, breaks verisimilitude.
All forms of religion request some form of giving to their cause. It may not always be monetary. Some might require a specific service or strictly follow a specific set of tenents. Only the word tithe, Hebrew for tenth, is associated with Judeo-Christian beliefs.
I don't know about you but I go to church every other week and I've never heard God ask if I could lend him $20.That is mostly up to the DM and the individual PC. Technically speaking, no, but come on, even active church-goers that AREN'T fantastically wealthy adventurers tithe money to the church. If you are a good aligned cleric or paladin, while its not required of you to do it if you don't thats... well thats kind of lame. Selfish and such. Plus, when the lowly farmer sees that the cleric has all these fancy magic items but doesn't even drop his fair share of gold into the collection plate, that farmer will think "Well why do I have to?"
Over time, this leads to loss of faith in the cleric's god, making the god angry, and eventually stray lightning bolts start hitting the cleric... Again, there is no rule on tithing, it's all up to the DM and PC.
Whoa, there is no logical connection between paying tithe and losing faith. You can totaly follow and god without paying him money.
The Christisan god requires it as he actually asks for it. Unless the god physically asks (like Chrisrtian one did), why woiuld you assume he wants it. Seems like greed of man to assume their god should copy christian one and ask for money (even when they god never asked).
Let's break it down into the REAL history lesson. At that period in the Jewish race (yes, Jew is a race, not a religion), they followed God whom physically spoke to his prophets. Also at that time, there was no seperation between the Government & Religious bodies. All members of their nation were required to pay a form of tax. It stated that a tithe (10%) went to the Governmental body, a tithe (10%) to the Religious body & every thrid year a special tithe (10%) to the Levites (a specific tribe of Jews that held no job as their tribe was chosen to be the priest of the people). Christianity requests (not demands) an offering to further fund God's works here on earth.
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In one of my games, you're supposed to tithe, but I keep track of it as if they had prepaid for church spellcasting costs and 50% (the labor costs) of buying magic items from the church.
Jew is a Race. Judaism is the Religion. There is a difference.
*Readjusts Monocle :-P
Okay, okay... rotflol... Valid point.
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Jew is a Race. Judaism is the Religion. There is a difference.
*Readjusts Monocle :-P
What's your race? I'm Jewish.
What's your religion? I'm Jewish.
Both perfect answers.
Im not so sure "jewish" is a race, it's a lineage.
More people are actually "jewish" that you think.
According tot he history of the Jews, ALL earths inhabitants belong to one of the 12 tribes of Israel if they could accurately trace their heritage back that far.
There for, could everyone say they were Israeli?
So 'Jewish' isn't a race anymore than muslim is. Jews can be israelis, americans, irish (not many of those!) hungarian, etc etc. but there hasn't been a "Judea" or direct descendants from there for an extremely long time....
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On the other hand, one of the clerics I played did make donations to various temples before major undertakings. For example, when we went deep into orc territory to destroy the root of the (Alpha Centauri style) xenofungus growing out of the orc-s&&#, I think I made sizeable donations to the war god, to the god of tribal purity and to my own hunt/survivalism god.
Temples of gods in this game technically dont need tithing, because they can sell heal pots, scrolls and spell services. Lay churches with no magical powers dont have any "business" so need handouts.
I know what my character would say.
"I'm the bishop! I built this cathedral with my own resources! All the staff are my followers! You tithe to me, and then I spend it the way my god would see fit!"
In Golarion, different churches have different ideas about "giving back" to their god. I know some of these are outlined in Gods and Magic. While tithing (as has been mentioned) seems like more of an Abadar thing, physical donations are more likely to be magic items (Nethys), or a work of art the devotee has made themselves (Shelyn), something uniquely precious to the particular deity. Churches tend to make money by offering their services...healing, funerary rites, speaking with dead relatives, ghost hunting, prositution, etc.
Churches tend to make money by offering their services...healing, funerary rites, speaking with dead relatives, ghost hunting,, etc.
What?
Churches tend to make money by offering their services...healing, funerary rites, speaking with dead relatives, ghost hunting,, etc.What?
Aphrodites churches in the greek world, all their preistesses were prostitutes, they had to share the love for money for the church.
Churches tend to make money by offering their services...healing, funerary rites, speaking with dead relatives, ghost hunting,, etc.What?
That.
People sometimes forget that polytheistic cultures had temples and priests, too.
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Do paladins, clerics, or any other "church" classes have to tithe a % of their income in Pathfinder?
No that was a rule in AD&D (can I say that here without getting booted?) for Monks and I believe Paladins but hasn't been included since then. (And yes I know knowing that makes me and old fart but I don't care :P)
