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I'm perfectly free to have my chaotic neutral rogue claim to be a follower of a lawful good deity. The deity may have a different opinion, but as this has no mechanical effect on the game it doesn't matter.
And here I'd have called access to deity-restricted traits a "mechanical effect". Silly me.
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All characters [b]that receive divine power from a deity[/i] must have an alignment at most one step away from that of the deity in question.
I'm perfectly free to have my chaotic neutral rogue claim to be a follower of a lawful good deity. The deity may have a different opinion, but as this has no mechanical effect on the game it doesn't matter.
Not anymore.
Characters can elect to worship any deity listed in a table of gods in the Core Rulebook, The Inner Sea World Guide, Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Gods and Magic, or any other source listed as an official Additional Resource. Characters may elect to worship an evil god, but must always be within one alignment step of their chosen deity.
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Under the new rules, all characters must be within one step of their diety, regardless of class.I think you're missing an important qualifier.
All characters [b]that receive divine power from a deity[/i] must have an alignment at most one step away from that of the deity in question.
I'm perfectly free to have my chaotic neutral rogue claim to be a follower of a lawful good deity. The deity may have a different opinion, but as this has no mechanical effect on the game it doesn't matter.
You can claim to be a follower sure.
But you must be a worshiper to gain mechanical benefit. To be a worshiper you must be within 1 step.
Mechanical benefit are feats, traits, spells and other in game mechanical effects that require you to worship a particular deity as a prerequisite.
So do gain that sort of benefit, you must be within 1 step of your deity's alignment.
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You can claim to be a follower sure.
But you must be a worshiper to gain mechanical benefit. To be a worshiper you must be within 1 step.
Thanks, Andrew. I was afraid I'd been a bit too understated; perhaps I should have put 'claim' in quotes, or italics, or something.
It seemed amusing at the time, but it doesn't look quite so witty now. Oh well.
My halfling Chaldira worshipper got an Extra Trait boon. Should I get this trait?
Hmm...
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Anything you are allowed to take, no one should make fun of you for. People have already made the rules of what you can and can not have. It is not the gaming communities few bullies job to harass people that take anything that they are legally allowed to have. If some adpoted human takes that trait just for tactical advantage that is how they choose to have fun with PFS and all power to them.
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See, now I want to make a character who in-character powergames.
"Why do you worship Chaldira?"
"Well, no gods tickled my fancy, but I heard that Chaldira worshippers are harder to effect with spells and other weird effects, so I decided that Chaldira is the way to go."
"But what about Chaldira's tenants?"
"They're good I guess, but not as good as avoiding weird effects."
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See, now I want to make a character who in-character powergames.
"Why do you worship Chaldira?"
"Well, no gods tickled my fancy, but I heard that Chaldira worshippers are harder to effect with spells and other weird effects, so I decided that Chaldira is the way to go."
"But what about Chaldira's tenants?"
"They're good I guess, but not as good as avoiding weird effects."
"Do you think you can handle this mission?"
"Well, if I had to rate my experience and aptitude on a scale of 1 to 20..."
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Anything you are allowed to take, no one should make fun of you for. People have already made the rules of what you can and can not have. It is not the gaming communities few bullies job to harass people that take anything that they are legally allowed to have. If some adpoted human takes that trait just for tactical advantage that is how they choose to have fun with PFS and all power to them.
I'm not *actually* going to ridicule anyone. If I set out to ridicule munchkins, I'd be persona non grata at most of the tables I play at.
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See, now I want to make a character who in-character powergames.
"Why do you worship Chaldira?"
"Well, no gods tickled my fancy, but I heard that Chaldira worshippers are harder to effect with spells and other weird effects, so I decided that Chaldira is the way to go."
"But what about Chaldira's tenants?"
"They're good I guess, but not as good as avoiding weird effects."
I love this. I am jealous I did not think of this. I wanna create a power game a character just to say this, but I would be quoting you. =(
Anything you are allowed to take, no one should make fun of you for. People have already made the rules of what you can and can not have. It is not the gaming communities few bullies job to harass people that take anything that they are legally allowed to have. If some adpoted human takes that trait just for tactical advantage that is how they choose to have fun with PFS and all power to them.I'm not *actually* going to ridicule anyone. If I set out to ridicule munchkins, I'd be persona non grata at most of the tables I play at.
Gotta be careful. Bad thoughts aren't healthy and I've seen more than a few players bully without thinking. I know I chose to avoid playing a few characters because I was having trouble with other people. Nothing wrong with the character, but sometimes other players support can really make the difference. Its all about fun, some people just have a different way of going about it I guess.
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I like how whichever side someone's on, it's always the other side who does the bullying.
You never hear "Sometimes people bully me about doing X."
Instead, you hear "Those [categorical label] who do X just for the Y are always harassing the [far more positively-worded categorical label] who actually bother to do Z. And the way I said that is totally not bullying at all, just an observation of fact. Yep, totally the victim here."
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I like how whichever side someone's on, it's always the other side who does the bullying.
You never hear "Sometimes people bully me about doing X."
Instead, you hear "Those [categorical label] who do X just for the Y are always harassing the [far more positively-worded categorical label] who actually bother to do Z. And the way I said that is totally not bullying at all, just an observation of fact. Yep, totally the victim here."
Well said.
In addition to that, one concept I've always had trouble grasping is how one individual's fun can hinge entirely upon the way their peers build characters. A fellow player's character build has exactly as much power to ruin your fun as you allow it to have - no more, no less.
If you face frustration because your character designs aren't performing very well, there are a number of things you can do about that. Plenty of folks on these boards would be happy to help you work it out to perform better.
If you face frustration because you simply don't like when others at your table sit down with min-maxed characters, I can only suggest that you work to achieve a state of being where this frustrates you less. I say that with all due respect, because this is a reality of our organized play that simply isn't under individual control.
Each person should be able to have fun playing the way they want too build-wise. Obviously playing a reckless blowhard who keeps getting the party in over their heads and irritating npcs, or simply being a dick at the table are not acceptable. The key point is that the former "fun" is neither in the same realm as nor of the same magnitude as the later "fun".
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"If you face frustration because you simply don't like when others at your table sit down with min-maxed characters, I can only suggest that you work to achieve a state of being where this frustrates you less. I say that with all due respect, because this is a reality of our organized play that simply isn't under individual control."
Yeah, that's basically what I'm looking at. I've politely excused myself from tables as well where I knew what the score was to try to find a table where one of my characters might be more useful.
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See, now I want to make a character who in-character powergames.
"Why do you worship Chaldira?"
"Well, no gods tickled my fancy, but I heard that Chaldira worshippers are harder to effect with spells and other weird effects, so I decided that Chaldira is the way to go."
"But what about Chaldira's tenants?"
"They're good I guess, but not as good as avoiding weird effects."
Seems legitimate to me. I would say most every that follows a religion expects something in return.
I had a character take up Abadar for a while because he thought it would help him be more business savvy. When the return on investment didn't pan out, he kicked Abadar to the curb.