I don't get the rage aimed at Angelina. Shouldn't women be raging at the medical system for making medical testing so expensive? Choosing what course to take is probably better informed by genetic testing and the fact that it's been shown that pricing for medical procedures can be pretty much arbitrary depending on what hospital you go to.
Personally, I expect my Hollywood celebrities to be dim bulbs who live in a privileged bubble and have no clue about the plights of lower-class people (women, in this case), so I didn't feel the least bit of rage towards Ms. Jolie.
A certain subsection of left-wing women, on the hand, seem mighty pissed...
F!*+ yeah! Welcome to the party, Comrade Humual.
Most of the women I know have got $3k to plop down for genetic testing...For Free, Quality Health Care for All!
For Women's Liberation Through Workers Revolution!
Basta Ya! No More Shiznitty Movies Starring Angelina Jolie!
I have disliked Ms. Jolie since that time she ratted Brad out for smoking hash with Quentin Tarantino at Cannes.
[bubble bubble bubble]
I may have misremembered that story.
[bubble bubble bubble]
Yeah, well, it turns out Quentin's the rat. My apologies to Ms. Jolie.
And a f*~$in' rat, apparently.
Stop snitchin'!
One of the best parts was about how in the late 60s/early 70s, one of these radical psychoanalysts brought their evolving techniques to an American convent with such great success that, within a year, the sisters had voted to get rid of their habits, half of them renounced their vows, and the rest of them turned into a sect of radical lesbian nuns! (Jump to around 2:20:00 if you're interested.)
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The members of that group generally aren't very happy when they're told that what they've come to expect as their natural due, has been undeserved privilege.
Can you give specific examples?
The members of that group generally aren't very happy when they're told that what they've come to expect as their natural due, has been undeserved privilege.Can you give specific examples?
Grades aren't the only thing about a student. Also... ^^^ example number 2.
You think grades are the sole factor used in college admissions?
Or look up any Anti-Affirmative Action site.
Hey the guy with the best grades got in... not an undeserved "privlidge"
The army recruit that ran further with the 40 pound pack gets in, not an undeserved privlidge.
The fireman who can haul a heavier person out of the window, run faster, and no go flying when the hose gets turned on, not an undeserved privlidge.
So what specific examples are you looking at ?
The fact when it came to actually admitting the first two black students at a southern university, President Kennedy had to nationalise the State's National Guard to get it done past the obstinancy of Gov. Wallace.
And this isn't the argument anymore. No one holds this position anymore (at least not openly). This has been settled, the conversation has moved on.
Can you give any examples of a privlidge people expect from the last decade? The argument now is 'let the best man..erm.. person win' and 'let the chips fall where they may'. Thats what i see on the anti affirmative action sites and thats why I'm asking you to clarify this nebulous concept of privlidge.
And if you don't understand the point of the importance of racial diversity and getting minorities in those schools, there's nothing I can say to you.
If you can't do anything but preach to the choir I seriously have to question the strength of your argument, particularly as this conversation is in regards to gender where women already make up a majority of college attendees.
If they managed to de-nunnify a convent, that's impressive. No matter what you think of the result or the idea of nuns in convents.
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Yes grades are the important factor, not color
Colleges don't care about grades. They care about who can pay, and about who they know. If daddy donates a new wing to the library, you're into any school you choose. If all your ancestors all the way back to the Mayflower went to that same university, you're in. This is how a C student like Dubya gets into Yale. Guess whose ancestors were slaves and thus weren't attending Yale? (Hint: color might matter there.)
Past that, they look next at whether you're especially good at something they happen to need that year. This is why a D-student football running back and B-student oboe player got into Princeton and an A-student martial artist was rejected the same year from the same high school.
Past that, they look at standardized test scores, because it's easy to do and because they're "standardized." That's how a guy like me got offered a scholarship at Clemson -- because I'm good at multiple-choice tests, even if I was less qualified academically than some of the other candidates.
All those things being equal, the ability to charm the admissions person during an interview will probably be what tilts the scales your way.
GPA might count as a distant 6th place criterion.
I don't get the rage aimed at Angelina. Shouldn't women be raging at the medical system for making medical testing so expensive? Choosing what course to take is probably better informed by genetic testing and the fact that it's been shown that pricing for medical procedures can be pretty much arbitrary depending on what hospital you go to.It's the same rage that's been directed at minorities or any other disadvantaged group when topics of rebalancing have come up. When one or more groups has been disadvantaged, the corollary is that at least one group has had a privileged position. The members of that group generally aren't very happy when they're told that what they've come to expect as their natural due, has been undeserved privilege.
Maybe there's some pent-up rage against Angelina Jolie that I'm unaware of, but I don't see how Ruth Fowler, Julian Vigo or my socialist-feminist female's comrade railing against what they perceive as class privilege has anything to do with the pattern that you're describing.
The expectation is that the "best man" will generally BE a man, white specifically. The reality is that race/gender discrimination has not entirely gone away.
Still don't see how you're trying to tie that to the concept of privlidge.
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It's probably by taking huge leaps between different things. Because many of the top jobs are held by white men, white men must universally have advantages over everyone else. So being born a white male automatically grants a certain bonus, just by itself, which gives all white males an advantage over all other groups. Among these are that white and men, touching rings and by their powers combined, are less numerous in prison as well as less likely to receive as severe a punishment, get chosen for good jobs over anyone else, (without considering any other factors, are incorrectly more likely to get into higher learning, and things of that nature). Not sure if it was this thread or another, but there was also some garbage that likened it (adding in heterosexual) as akin to playing a game on easy mode, because regardless of their actual circumstances, they just don't have do deal with hardships in life like everyone else.
Bechdel Test for movies:
1: Are there two or more (named) female characters?
2: Do these women talk to each other?
3: Do they talk about something other than a man?
Some stats on movies and how many of the criteria they meet.
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I honestly wonder what the stats would look if you just switch the genders? How many movies don't involve guys having woman-troubles, for example, or are about earning (back) their affections, or winning a McGuffin for them, or whatever? My understanding of the Bechdel Test is that it was designed actually for narrative rather than video, and it was a to gauge how "real" a woman in media is, based on what she actually says throughout the book (or movie). Not sure it's actually a real thing as much as something someone just made up that was propagated, but I could be wrong.
There's a push down here in Australia to talk about domestic violence, especially with the Nigella incident gaining such widespread publicity. I was rather surprised to see a new initiative talking about men also being victims in domestic abuse, which sort of runs contra to the image we normally see - and frankly I found it all rather shocking.
Any idea if the stats are similar in the US?
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Part of the problem is that men are socialised to think that DV couldn't happen to them, and so I suspect it's very much swept under the rug. After all, they're supposed to be the strong ones. "No real man would get beat up by a girl!" Ugh. The whole thing is utterly repulsive towards men AND women. (Like many outdated sexist values are.)
My mother is a social worker and I know she is involved with some men's support programs. Part of the problem with them though is that there's such an imbalance of genders in social work. At her work, I'd be shocked to see more than 1/4 of the team being men.
Of course, this is multi-factored too:-
- Social work is most definitely viewed as a "woman's" job, hence putting up invisible barriers to entry for men;
- Social work is drastically under-funded and underpaid for its importance, making it not an appealing career overall;
- Though I agree that men need more support - the majority of programs are targeted at women/mothers because they are still the majority that need them. And a women's DV support group or a single mother's group is likely going to be much more comfortable with a woman leading it.
I don't necessarily think that women's shelters should cater for men as well. Just think--you're escaping from a terrible relationship where your husband beat you and nearly killed you... you'll probably have an understandable bit of trepidation around men for a while. But I think the same standard should apply for men, and they should receive care in an appropriate place as well, free from being judged or victim blamed. A man would probably feel more comfortable around other men who understand his situation as well; there's the added "shame" aspect for men as well (which is an unfortunate side-effect, but shouldn't be dismissed either - we're not yet in a perfect gender equal world for either side).
Anyway, overall DV is god awful and I don't even understand why someone would want to do that to another person. :/
Yeah that makes sense.
I personally have never committed an act of DV, but I have been its recipient. I didn't take that much away from it (aside from some bitterness) but was just amazed to read it was more common than I thought - I just thought I had had a really bad girlfriend, and it took years before it finally came to a head and I worked out the full subtleties of the abuse (which then turned her violent when asked about it).
The irony is that at the time I was the classic 'tough guy' (you know, physically large, working as a bouncer in tough nightclubs) so would never have anticipated that I could end up in that position.
I agree too, separate shelters.
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Yeah the benefit to having a really toxic relationship is that you learn what to signs to look for in future ones :)
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Anyway, we left the film early, and, as I was driving her home, I made the mistake of mentioning the scene in Hannah and Her Sisters where Woody decides not to kill himself after watching a Marx Brothers film. "Woody Allen is a pedophile and a misogynist!" she shouted, angrily.
At which point, I kicked her out of the car...
Oh yeah, I was reminded in another thread, in a roundabout way:
So, we had this rally in Boston over the past weekend, blah blah blah, and afterwards we went to a bar in Kenmore Square and me and the comrades were shootin' the shiznit, discussing heavy-duty Marxist stuff and the topic got around to some of the more memorable debates on the Sectarian Left around the woman question. Anyway, it was getting hawt and heavy and I went to interject some levity by pulling out the "Intellectuals are like the Mafia" line.
"Well," I remarked, "It's like Woody Allen said..."
"Oh, yeah," a comrade derisively snorted* "The great feminist Woody Allen..."
Before I could stop myself, I shattered the beer bottle against the table and yelled "Wtf you gonna say about Woody Allen, huh?!?" [Overturns table] "Smart-ass [redacted], what are you gonna say, now, [redacted]?!?"
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Sorry Comrade, Woody's works just don't seem to translate well across the Pacific, we really don't understand him at all. People invariably scratch their heads and ask "what was that all about?".
Apparently, you need more Jews Down Under.
Although, to be honest, he's always been an acquired taste over here as well.
Those who acquire the taste, though, tend to be fanatical about it.
Anyway, we left the film early, and, as I was driving her home, I made the mistake of mentioning the scene in Hannah and Her Sisters where Woody decides not to kill himself after watching a Marx Brothers film. "Woody Allen is a pedophile and a misogynist!" she shouted, angrily.
At which point, I kicked her out of the car...
Oh yeah, I was reminded in another thread, in a roundabout way:
So, we had this rally in Boston over the past weekend, blah blah blah, and afterwards we went to a bar in Kenmore Square and me and the comrades were shootin' the shiznit, discussing heavy-duty Marxist stuff and the topic got around to some of the more memorable debates on the Sectarian Left around the woman question. Anyway, it was getting hawt and heavy and I went to interject some levity by pulling out the "Intellectuals are like the Mafia" line.
"Well," I remarked, "It's like Woody Allen said..."
"Oh, yeah," a comrade derisively snorted* "The great feminist Woody Allen..."
Before I could stop myself, I shattered the beer bottle against the table and yelled "Wtf you gonna say about Woody Allen, huh?!?" [Overturns table] "Smart-ass [redacted], what are you gonna say, now, [redacted]?!?"
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** spoiler omitted **
Two or three weeks ago, I stumbled upon a movie titled Scoop; I thought I was tuning in to a dramatization of Evelyn Waugh's best book, ever, for all of time. Instead I ended up watching a hilarious comedy of manners written and directed by, yes Woody Allen.
WORTH IT!!
Apparently, you need more Jews Down Under.
We already have heaps, whole large (quite affluent) neighbourhoods full, as well as the supporting infrastructure - they are well established here Example (and they are well regarded in our communities!).
So yeah, they don't get him either... no dice Woody!
The Australian Jewish News appears to disagree.
But I have unfortunately allowed my fanaticism to wane in recent years. I haven't seen Scoop. In fact, I don't think I've seen anything since Hollywood Ending which I remember being rather dreary.
I know it's an obvious joke, but that's exactly how I would explain things to Penelope Cruz.
(This is exactly how you get yourself banned from the hall of fame.)
There's people that have acquired a taste for Woody Allen. . . ? ? ?
I believe her name is Soon-Yi