This would be better addressed directly to Paizo, instead of an internet message board.
I'd suggest PMing James Jacobs *shrug*
As the Pathfinder version of the Bard didn't even exist in 2004 (first appearance in any form 2008), this is highly suspect.
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2004? Really? I thought the Pathfinder RPG was launched in 2009, playtesting started in 2008. This being your very first post here, I'd find it hard to believe you contributed anything to Pathfinder. And actually, most of the bard was based of the OGL bard (2003), which was based on the 3.0 bard (2000), which was based on etcetera, etcetera.
Also, why on Golarion would Paizo publish an additional book of credits that nobody cares for? Do you have any idea how much that would cost?
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This poster is clearly identified as a troll.
2004? Really? I thought the Pathfinder RPG was launched in 2009, playtesting started in 2008. This being your very first post here, I'd find it hard to believe you contributed anything to Pathfinder. And actually, most of the bard was based of the OGL bard (2003), which was based on the 3.0 bard (2000), which was based on etcetera, etcetera.
Also, why on Golarion would Paizo publish an additional book of credits that nobody cares for? Do you have any idea how much that would cost?
Pretty sure he started work on ideas on the Bard in 2004. Pathfinder didn't use all of the OGL version as it uses rd/day.
So he said he started the idea of using rds/day in 2004.
I cant even being to think what the differences between 3.5 and PF for bards and barbarians are now... it's like my memory of the old system is either lost, or it's not that different?
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I wrote Pathfinder before it was cool.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Also, best Icon/Nickname combination ever.
I just hope the original poster isn't delusional.
He may have written the pathfinder bard and not been credited because every sentence was utter rubbish that got slowly weeded out and burned during testing.
Dunno 'bout that; the current iteration of the class isn't what you'd call "matured".
There were additional contributors to the Pathfinder core rulebook, but to the best of my knowledge they're all listed out in the Additional Contribution section of the credits:
Additional Contributions: Tim Connors, Elizabeth Courts, Adam Daigle, David A. Eitelbach, Greg Oppedisano, and Hank Woon
In addition, if you ended up having given the suggestion on the forums, they didn't necessarily give credits through that, but may have used it anyways since technically they own everything you post here. I know there are a few feats that people suggested on the forums that ended up being in various books, and there were no credits for those.
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I'm going to get in on the ground floor and claim that I wrote most of the Pathfinder Second Edition bard.
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Paizo stole the name Pathfinder from me when James Jacobs saw me riding around in a Nissan Pathfinder. When I confronted him about it at Gen Con and he threw his bagel up into the air to distract me, slapped the red state of Texas onna my cheek, and ran up the street with feline grace.
Sometimes Goliath wins. You just have to suck it up, excuse yourself from the room, and weep into your hands until the make-up washes off revealing the treasure map your uncle tattooed there for you.
My amazing life story was actually the major inspiration for Dave Arneson and Gary Gygax to develop D&D in the first place. In 1974 ... When I was -8 years old.
In all seriousness though, my impression of the Paizo folks is that if somebody really did contribute -- in almost any way -- they wouldn't have a problem acknowledging it. Even a great deal after the fact and even if the contribution were minute.
If the OP is "for reals," my suggestion would be to contact somebody at Paizo via email.
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Hello,
I wrote a large part of the Pathfinder Bard back in 2004, when I was in my last year of Junior college. I was told that a separate book of credits would be published for everyone to look at, as they couldn't fit everyone who contributed into the back of the Pathfinder book. Where might I find that book? The new RP group I'm with just won't believe me when I told them, that yes, I did write a good portion of that class. They want to see the physical proof presented to them.
Can you help me please? Thank you.
This is cute but no, there's nothing we can do to help you.
Nothing at all.
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I am the original Pathfinder bard before Lem came along and stole my job.
You didn't write me!
Trolololololololol
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I'm still in negotiations to get royalties concerning my write up of the longsword. Before me, there was only 'sword'.
Oh, really?
Well I am Spartacus!
Don't feed the trolls, guys. Just flag it and move on...
Kaiser Soze!
Bards suck why would you want credit for that. Say you made something cool like the Inquisitor or something.
If by "suck" you mean "are completely amazing," then I agree.
The brand name "Pathfinder" didn't exist until 2007.
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Bards suck why would you want credit for that. Say you made something cool like the Inquisitor or something.
you can always hide behind the pile of dead bards
Edit: maybe he wrote the part that sucks ?(I slay me!)
I am sorry, for awakening your forum trolls. No it is not a joke. This may be my first and second post, but it is only because I have emailed Paizo on this matter and have gotten no response. This is my 2nd attempt at making contact with them.
As for the name I have chosen, isn't it obvious? I have chosen that which I love, and could happily spend countless hours daydreaming about the most to represent myself.
To all of the doubters and haters responding to this thread. I am simply going to say: I don't care if you believe in me, any more than you care if I believe in you.
Thank you all, Marc Radle, Scripps, Odraude, Starbuck II, and Cheapy for being honest and sincere with me.
In response to Cheapy: Yes it started on forums, but at their request we switched to direct email correspondence during which we did a lot of back and forth on the Pathfinder Bard, and I'm quite certain the person I was working with told me that I was going to get some kind of book credit (if only my name) for all the work I was doing.
Now, I would have used the email correspondence address to contact them about this matter directly, but the Mailer Demon says it no longer exists.
If you're serious about this contact a lawyer.
Meh... there isnt enough for a lawyer to go with. "I contacted a person with a email that doesnt exist, I'm only looking into this 5 years after it went to print, and one of the people I was dealing with was a female, if I recall"
Yes. Yes that will be plenty enough for a lawyer to roll with.
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Not sure if he wants a lawyer, all he wants is to show his friends that what he claims is true.
Mate, pop on over to the ask James Jacobs forum and ask him. He wrote most of the Bard as far as I can tell.
Or better yet, track down the person you were talking with about it and send them a private message. The Paizo staff are fantastic at responding to those if the questions are legitimate. Check the forum part at the top of their profile and you'll see a tab that says send PM.
This way you'll get your response and won't get the doubt and troll comments sent your way. If what you say is true, then it all works out.
If what you say is untrue, then I suspect you'll ignore both those bits of advice and keep trying to push this thread.
I suggest we all leave this alone for a day or two and see what happens.
Cheers
In January or February of the next year, I was informed that they really liked particularly my ideas of the Pathfinder Bard, it was well received, and no additional edits would be needed, they wanted to keep it 'as is'.
So, what exactly did you change from 3.5's bard and why?
If he wants copyright credit then a lawyer is about his only hope. You can try to act in good faith via direct correspondence with the company only to get screwed years later. If he's got documentation to back up his claims then that's what it'll take.