Magus: Spell Strike + Critical Strike


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Greetings,
There is one major question I have with the Magus, now I already know when a Magus critical hits and confirms with their melee weapon and it is charged with a touch spell, that spell also critical hits for double damage (No matter the Critical modifier on weapon). But there is the Magus Arcana: Critical Strike, that I am curious of; can a Magus do an Spell Strike and if they critical confirm, do their damage and then cast the Touch Spell after the strike?

Spell Strike critical as an attack, then using Magus Arcana: Critical Strike to follow up with a Touch Spell.

To save the searching, here are the wordings for both abilities:

Spellstrike (Su): At 2nd level, whenever a magus casts a spell with a range of “touch” from the magus spell list, he can deliver the spell through any weapon he is wielding as part of a melee attack. Instead of the free melee touch attack normally allowed to deliver the spell, a magus can make one free melee attack with his weapon (at his highest base attack bonus) as part of casting this spell. If successful, this melee attack deals its normal damage as well as the effects of the spell. If the magus makes this attack in concert with spell combat, this melee attack takes all the penalties accrued by spell combat melee attacks. This attack uses the weapon's critical range (20, 19–20, or 18–20 and modified by the keen weapon property or similar effects), but the spell effect only deals ×2 damage on a successful critical hit, while the weapon damage uses its own critical modifier.

Critical Strike (Su): Whenever the magus scores a critical hit with a melee weapon, he may cast a spell with a range of touch as a swift action, then make a touch attack with that spell against the target of the critical hit as a free action. The magus can use this ability once per day. The magus must be at least 12th level before selecting this arcana.

Thank you for your input.

Paizo Employee Design Manager

I'm just a little unsure what you're asking here. Are you wondering if you could cast a touch spell, deliver it through Spellstrike, crit with that attack, and then cast another touch spell and deliver it with Critical Strike? If so, the answer should be yes.


To clarify what you're asking (I think):

-Magus uses Spell Combat\Spellstrike to cast Shocking Grasp and then deliver it via his weapon.

-Magus crits on the roll for the weapon attack; this delivers a critical attack with the weapon and double the damage of the Shocking Grasp.

You are asking if, in response to this, the Magus could trigger Critical Strike and then cast an additional Shocking Grasp against the target, even though he had already cast a spell already this round?

If that's the case, then RAW yes, he can - as long as he hasn't already used his swift action for the round.

This arcana basically allows the magus, once per day, to cast a spell per the Quicken Spell rules, without altering the level of the spell - but only a touch spell, and only after successfully confirming a critical hit.

More importantly, since Spellstrike does not consume an action, but instead gives the magus an alternate method of delivering his touch spells, doing so would actually grant him an additional melee attack in his attempt to deliver the second touch spell.

[edit]Edited to correct my mistake; thank you DesolateHarmony!

Paizo Employee Design Manager

This actually just reminded me of a note that Jason Buhlman had made in one of the Mythic Playtest threads. Apparently there actually is an implied limit of 1 spell per round, with the caveat "A spell with a casting time of 1 swift action doesn't count against your normal limit of one spell per round.".

So in this instance it looks like you're still good to go since Critical Strike casts as a swift action.


Agreed...seeing that its only a once per day thing its not even that overpowered...unless your GM is the type that runs like one encounter a day...in which case he needs to add some difficulty lol.

Silver Crusade

Xaratherus wrote:

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-Magus crits on the roll for the weapon touch attack;

Just a quibble: the weapon attack from spellstrike is a normal attack, not a touch attack.


DesolateHarmony wrote:
Xaratherus wrote:

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-Magus crits on the roll for the weapon touch attack;

Just a quibble: the weapon attack from spellstrike is a normal attack, not a touch attack.

Thank you, corrected my mistake.

Magi can't do what I had originally typed until they hit 9th level and take Accurate Strike. ;)


Xaratherus wrote:
DesolateHarmony wrote:
Xaratherus wrote:

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-Magus crits on the roll for the weapon touch attack;

Just a quibble: the weapon attack from spellstrike is a normal attack, not a touch attack.

Thank you, corrected my mistake.

Magi can't do what I had originally typed until they hit 9th level and take Accurate Strike. ;)

The only flaw with that, is you would not be able to use Critical Strike, because Accurate Strike takes up the swift action to use. Critical Strike requires the spending on the swift action.


RavanPyreloft wrote:
Xaratherus wrote:
DesolateHarmony wrote:
Xaratherus wrote:

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-Magus crits on the roll for the weapon touch attack;

Just a quibble: the weapon attack from spellstrike is a normal attack, not a touch attack.

Thank you, corrected my mistake.

Magi can't do what I had originally typed until they hit 9th level and take Accurate Strike. ;)

The only flaw with that, is you would not be able to use Critical Strike, because Accurate Strike takes up the swift action to use. Critical Strike requires the spending on the swift action.

Derp. Color me completely corrected, lol


Pathfinder Maps, Starfinder Maps Subscriber

A bit of thread resurrection, but I have a similar question that did not seem to be resolved above.

Back to the example of a Magus Spellstrikes with a weapon with a Threat range of 18-20, 15- 20, whatever (as long as it is a wider margin than just 20). When you confirm the critical, does it apply to both the weapon and the spell?

My gut ruling says "no", because while you got a crit it was with the weapon only, not the spell as well (which requires a 20). So my line of thinking is that the spell is doubled only on the natural 20.

Am I right? Or am I mistaken?


SeeleyOne wrote:

A bit of thread resurrection, but I have a similar question that did not seem to be resolved above.

Back to the example of a Magus Spellstrikes with a weapon with a Threat range of 18-20, 15- 20, whatever (as long as it is a wider margin than just 20). When you confirm the critical, does it apply to both the weapon and the spell?

My gut ruling says "no", because while you got a crit it was with the weapon only, not the spell as well (which requires a 20). So my line of thinking is that the spell is doubled only on the natural 20.

Am I right? Or am I mistaken?

youre mistaken if the weapon crits the spell crits


SeeleyOne wrote:

A bit of thread resurrection, but I have a similar question that did not seem to be resolved above.

Back to the example of a Magus Spellstrikes with a weapon with a Threat range of 18-20, 15- 20, whatever (as long as it is a wider margin than just 20). When you confirm the critical, does it apply to both the weapon and the spell?

My gut ruling says "no", because while you got a crit it was with the weapon only, not the spell as well (which requires a 20). So my line of thinking is that the spell is doubled only on the natural 20.

Am I right? Or am I mistaken?

The spell neither threatens nor confirms. Only the weapon threatens and confirms. If the weapon crits, the spell also crits. That's how Spellstrike works.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
BloodyManticore wrote:
SeeleyOne wrote:

A bit of thread resurrection, but I have a similar question that did not seem to be resolved above.

Back to the example of a Magus Spellstrikes with a weapon with a Threat range of 18-20, 15- 20, whatever (as long as it is a wider margin than just 20). When you confirm the critical, does it apply to both the weapon and the spell?

My gut ruling says "no", because while you got a crit it was with the weapon only, not the spell as well (which requires a 20). So my line of thinking is that the spell is doubled only on the natural 20.

Am I right? Or am I mistaken?

youre mistaken if the weapon crits the spell crits

The crtical multiplier on the spell is x2 even if the weapon multiplier is greater. You do get the advantage of greater crit range, such as 15-20 on a keen rapier.


Pathfinder Maps, Starfinder Maps Subscriber

OK, thanks. No wonder so many Magi want to have that high threat range. :)

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