Building a custom race and Undersized Weapons


Rules Questions


I'm working on building some custom races for a One-Shot I'll be running with some friends of mine. So while making a Large Race using the Race Building Rules in the Advanced Race Guide, I noticed that there was nothing in the Weakness Racial Traits for Undersized Weapons, an extraordinary trait for making large (or larger) creatures have to use smaller weapons fit for its arms and/or torso compared to the rest of its body. It really seemed odd as this particular Weakness would have been very useful for Paizo's pregenerated custom races of the Drider and the Centaur that they gave us in this section of the book.
So, if one were to create Undersized Weapons(Ex), as a weakness to be utilized by the Race Building Rules of the book, what negative Race Points would it be worth, and would there be a difference in just how much smaller weapons the end creature could wield?


fallenknight663 wrote:
I'm working on building some custom races for a One-Shot I'll be running with some friends of mine. So while making a Large Race using the Race Building Rules in the Advanced Race Guide, I noticed that there was nothing in the Weakness Racial Traits for Undersized Weapons, an extraordinary trait for making large (or larger) creatures have to use smaller weapons fit for its arms and/or torso compared to the rest of its body. It really seemed odd as this particular Weakness would have been very useful for Paizo's pregenerated custom races of the Drider and the Centaur that they gave us in this section of the book.

That's because Undersized Weapons is simply a side effect of being a 'taur, not an independent weakness. You're looking for the Quadruped trait. Also look at Paizo's own formulations for the centaur and drider.

fallenknight663 wrote:


So, if one were to create Undersized Weapons(Ex), as a weakness to be utilized by the Race Building Rules of the book, what negative Race Points would it be worth, and would there be a difference in just how much smaller weapons the end creature could wield?

Do yourself a favor and disregard Race Points as a measure of balance. For 2 RP, you can get a better deal than Quadruped (which it may be noted is supposed to be a Monstrous trait) by combining Stability and Fast. I suggest to do what makes sense for the race's flavor, then rebalance if necessary.


I do have a question about quadrupeds, though. Let's say a centaur gets disarmed and decides to punch someone instead. Centaurs wield Medium weapons, but do they also have Medium unarmed strike damage ? I'm sure this is RAI but the RAW bears clarification.


The reason I assume the above:

PRD wrote:
Undersized Weapons (Ex) Although a centaur is Large, its upper torso is the same size as that of a Medium humanoid. As a result, they wield weapons as if they were one size category smaller than their actual size (Medium for most centaurs).

While unarmed strikes can usually be performed by any appendage, a centaur's kick is already accounted for, so any other attacks would have to come from its human half.


Got an answer from James. Medium fists, medium strikes.

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