So evil casters go on to become liches, what options does the good caster receive?


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A troll can still be disintegrated*, or killed by Enervation, or have it's constitution reduced to 0 by various means.

A Troll that gains immunity to fire and acid cannot die from hit point loss but he can still die.

Disintegrate has a special clause that if you HP is reduced to 0, you are disintegrated. It doesn't matter if you can be reduced to negatives, all that it matters is that you are reduced to 0 HP; so even a troll can die to this spell.


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LazarX wrote:
Umbriere Moonwhisper wrote:

undead are no more inherently evil than humans, elves and dwarves are.

i don't buy into this "X race is inherently Evil" BS.

i like moral ambiguity, i like my shades of grey

1. Stop making that statement as it is some authoritative pronouncement, millennia of mythology, legend, literature, and film argue otherwise.

Given that almost every post of yours I've seen comes across as if you think it is some authoritative pronouncement, even after evidence is provided to the contrary (e.g., in the thread about wizards scribing arcane scrolls, you first declared your interpretation of the rules as authoritative, and then, when people provided both quotes from the rules and explicit quotes for the developers that contradicted you, you went ahead and said that the developer was wrong about the rules, and the rules were wrong about the rules...)

I'd say this is one of the more unintentionally-ironic posts I've seen:O


Tels wrote:

A troll can still be disintegrated*, or killed by Enervation, or have it's constitution reduced to 0 by various means.

A Troll that gains immunity to fire and acid cannot die from hit point loss but he can still die.

Disintegrate has a special clause that if you HP is reduced to 0, you are disintegrated. It doesn't matter if you can be reduced to negatives, all that it matters is that you are reduced to 0 HP; so even a troll can die to this spell.

Actually, regen is very much different from 3.5. In pathfinder, a creature literally cant die as long as it has regen, except for their listed weaknesses. A tarrasque that becomes immune to instant death effect likewise would be unkillable. As long as you cant find a way to remove the immunity that is.


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Tels wrote:

A troll can still be disintegrated*, or killed by Enervation, or have it's constitution reduced to 0 by various means.

A Troll that gains immunity to fire and acid cannot die from hit point loss but he can still die.

Disintegrate has a special clause that if you HP is reduced to 0, you are disintegrated. It doesn't matter if you can be reduced to negatives, all that it matters is that you are reduced to 0 HP; so even a troll can die to this spell.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Regeneration (Ex) A creature with this ability is difficult to kill. Creatures with regeneration heal damage at a fixed rate, as with fast healing, but they cannot die as long as their regeneration is still functioning (although creatures with regeneration still fall unconscious when their hit points are below 0). Certain attack forms, typically fire and acid, cause a creature's regeneration to stop functioning on the round following the attack. During this round, the creature does not heal any damage and can die normally. The creature's descriptive text describes the types of damage that cause the regeneration to cease functioning.

Attack forms that don't deal hit point damage are not healed by regeneration. Regeneration also does not restore hit points lost from starvation, thirst, or suffocation. Regenerating creatures can regrow lost portions of their bodies and can reattach severed limbs or body parts if they are brought together within 1 hour of severing. Severed parts that are not reattached wither and die normally.

A creature must have a Constitution score to have the regeneration ability.

There aren't any limiters placed on that statement that I can find. It would appear that they CANNOT die by any means unless it includes acid, fire, or some other ability that specifically states that it bypasses or negates regeneration.


You can very easily argue that a Troll thats been disentigrated no longer has a Con score (as you need a body to have a con score), and thus cannot have regeneration anymore.

Disentigrate kills the troll.


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JTibbs wrote:

You can very easily argue that a Troll thats been disentigrated no longer has a Con score (as you need a body to have a con score), and thus cannot have regeneration anymore.

Disentigrate kills the troll.

FAQ thread.


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JTibbs wrote:

You can very easily argue that a Troll thats been disentigrated no longer has a Con score (as you need a body to have a con score), and thus cannot have regeneration anymore.

Disentigrate kills the troll.

Or each grain of dust regenerates into a new troll and now you have a horde on your hands.


The NPC wrote:
JTibbs wrote:

You can very easily argue that a Troll thats been disentigrated no longer has a Con score (as you need a body to have a con score), and thus cannot have regeneration anymore.

Disentigrate kills the troll.

Or each grain of dust regenerates into a new troll and now you have a horde on your hands.

That's not how Regeneration works...


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Tels wrote:
The NPC wrote:
JTibbs wrote:

You can very easily argue that a Troll thats been disentigrated no longer has a Con score (as you need a body to have a con score), and thus cannot have regeneration anymore.

Disentigrate kills the troll.

Or each grain of dust regenerates into a new troll and now you have a horde on your hands.
That's not how Regeneration works...

Depnds on the edition ;)


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The NPC wrote:
Tels wrote:
The NPC wrote:
JTibbs wrote:

You can very easily argue that a Troll thats been disentigrated no longer has a Con score (as you need a body to have a con score), and thus cannot have regeneration anymore.

Disentigrate kills the troll.

Or each grain of dust regenerates into a new troll and now you have a horde on your hands.
That's not how Regeneration works...
Depnds on the edition ;)

I know it worked that way in older editions, I think it's a good thing they removed that. A friend told me how, in older editions, he had a Wizard that diced up a troll and then stuck the ends in specially enchanted jars that would deal only 1 point of damage, constantly, so the trolls couldn't regenerate. He'd carry around a handful of them, and then, if he were ever forced to flee, he would break a couple of jars in a relatively hidden spot, and then teleport away.

Whomever was pursuing him, would then find himself facing down a handful of trolls that were more than likely very, very, very angry.


Tels wrote:
The NPC wrote:
Tels wrote:
The NPC wrote:
JTibbs wrote:

You can very easily argue that a Troll thats been disentigrated no longer has a Con score (as you need a body to have a con score), and thus cannot have regeneration anymore.

Disentigrate kills the troll.

Or each grain of dust regenerates into a new troll and now you have a horde on your hands.
That's not how Regeneration works...
Depnds on the edition ;)

I know it worked that way in older editions, I think it's a good thing they removed that. A friend told me how, in older editions, he had a Wizard that diced up a troll and then stuck the ends in specially enchanted jars that would deal only 1 point of damage, constantly, so the trolls couldn't regenerate. He'd carry around a handful of them, and then, if he were ever forced to flee, he would break a couple of jars in a relatively hidden spot, and then teleport away.

Whomever was pursuing him, would then find himself facing down a handful of trolls that were more than likely very, very, very angry.

Nice, very nice.


HaraldKlak wrote:

Good characters get to go to heaven.

That should supposedly be the ultimate goodie.

+1


Dabbler wrote:
Seppuku wrote:

Perhaps good is for cowards and the unmotivated?

Good is for anti-capitalists.

Evil is for those who are self starters and driven to always improve themselves.

You describe the lich's point-of-view remarkably well.

Capitalism is the greatest force for destroying poverty and raising the standard of living for all people. Socialism is hatred of the successful that lowers everyones standard of living.


RuyanVe wrote:

Sun orchid elixir, anybody?

Ruyan.

Extending your life through necromancy instead of conjuration? Totally evil. :P


Arnwolf wrote:
HaraldKlak wrote:

Good characters get to go to heaven.

That should supposedly be the ultimate goodie.

+1

Why would my CG character want to go to Heaven? It's so... Lawful up there... *itches*


Writer wrote:

Good spellcasters go to Heaven and live happily ever after.

Evil spellcasters become Liches to avoid going to Hell and burning for all eternity.

You don't burn for eternity in Hell. You get turned into a Lemure. If you're lucky you get promoted to Imp and you can start working your way up the infernal hierarchy. It's the ultimate reward for Lawful Evil - The chance to express pure, predatory ambition without any apologies for morality, motivated by nothing but your desire to gain in rank and standing and bring order to those too weak to resist you.

Or at least that's why I go with. I wish folks would stop writing afterlives like Jesus is waiting around the corner with a switch to punish you for your ill deeds. Ain't no "right" god in D&D. Just a lot of really powerful divinities who offer different benefits packages.

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