Valkenr Goblin Squad Member |
Does GW have any plans to do what RSI is doing, and keep funding open?
There are still a lot of EE slots to fill, and a lot of possible things to 'sell'
I would suggest allowing people to purchase addons, or individual 'daily deal' rewards. Bottom line, the new cost must be higher than the kickstart cost to not diminish our reward.
One thing I can think of is opening up the remaining 8 months of reserved EE slots, and tier the pricing 100 for month 2, 95 for month 3, 90 for month 4, and so on. People can pick the slot that matches their financial ability.
There can be 'cash out' points, to continue the 'milestones'. I would suggest not sending out the mineatures and the emerald spire book until EE starts so those can still be included in milestones.
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Jameow Goblin Squad Member |
If they sell them as individual things rather than a package deal it doesn't need to be higher.
There's still plenty of things that could not be offered, eg all the pdfs and books, while still filling all those things that didn't fill up.
Buying a EE would still get you in AFTER everyone who was in the KS.
They could also make some things exclusive to those who were part of the KS as extra post KS addons, even add new in game things for purchase, or digital things (apps at a discount to pledgers that others, if they want them, will have to pay full price for?)
we didn;t unlock any extra minis, maybe put them in the store for purchase?
Marthian Goblin Squad Member |
Carbunkle Squirrelbane Goblin Squad Member |
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I think it would go against the spirit of the kickstarter.
Besides, I believe they talked about having various other ways to get in (being an active member of the community and contributing a lot is one I hear... Despite I don't seem to do that a lot.)
+1
It would be unfair on people who left themselves short moneywise to get to a certain reward level if you could later just add stuff at the same price.
Any further fun raising should be new rewards.
Jameow Goblin Squad Member |
Marthian wrote:I think it would go against the spirit of the kickstarter.
Besides, I believe they talked about having various other ways to get in (being an active member of the community and contributing a lot is one I hear... Despite I don't seem to do that a lot.)
+1
It would be unfair on people who left themselves short moneywise to get to a certain reward level if you could later just add stuff at the same price.
Any further fun raising should be new rewards.
It ISN'T at the same price though. It's a huge pile of stuff you got for that price vs a single thing.
If you're buying early enrollment, you're buying early enrollment, you're not also buying all the stuff that came with it, with all the bonuses and benefits. It isn't the same price, because it's the difference between buying the lounge suite and buying one of the chairs in the set.
I think it SHOULD be that if you were to buy all the pieces involved (and some shouldn't be available) it's more expensive than the kickstarter, yes.
But look at the alpha tier for example. There were something like 250 alpha slots, and only about 50 filled... that's the difference between 50 testers and 250 testers...
Sure, that means the alpha testers get more individual say, but it also means you have less datapoints.
Lee Dowd Goblin Squad Member |
With the tech demo they allowed those who had joined the kickstarter to increase their pledge for additional rewards. I believe this also was considered for stretch goals. If that was the case all the kickstarters could benefit if stretch goals are reached and as we came up just short that would seem to have a very good chance of happening. For instance allowing one to purchase the subscriptions could be considered another benefit of the kick starter participation as well.
Feegle Goblin Squad Member |
Marthian wrote:I think it would go against the spirit of the kickstarter.
Besides, I believe they talked about having various other ways to get in (being an active member of the community and contributing a lot is one I hear... Despite I don't seem to do that a lot.)
+1
It would be unfair on people who left themselves short moneywise to get to a certain reward level if you could later just add stuff at the same price.
Any further fun raising should be new rewards.
A kickstarter campaign is not a store. The rewards are not purchases. You have donated money to a company in order that they might create a product - in this case, in order that they might deliver that product sooner.
You did not purchase the right for early access. Goblinworks may choose to sell early access for the same amount of money that you donated, or even cheaper. They might even give it away for free. That's their prerogative.
Sorry to be harsh, but the word "fair" doesn't enter into it. You donated money to Goblinworks. They've given you something in thanks - but you didn't buy the rewards, and just because someone missed the kickstarter (or chose not to donate) doesn't mean there won't be the possibility for them to purchase one of the rewards later.
(Witness Thornkeep. IIRC, $75 pledge for a hardcopy of that book. It's on sale for $25.)
Lisa Stevens CEO |
(Witness Thornkeep. IIRC, $75 pledge for a hardcopy of that book. It's on sale for $25.)
To be totally fair, the $75 bought you a physical copy signed by nine different folks, a PDF of the book, access to the Goblin Squad along with the cool message board icon, and a poster of the cover artwork. So they aren't exactly a one to one basis.
-Lisa
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As to the main question on this thread, the short answer is "yes" there will be a way to add on more funds at some point. Like it was mentioned above, we let people do some add-ons when we sent them their survey for the Technology Demo Kickstarter, so I am sure there will be something similar for this Kickstarter.
It will take up to a month for us to get the info from Kickstarter/Amazon on who bought what. We will then import that into our database and send out backer surveys. My guess is that will be in a month or so from now based on the timeline for the Technology Demo Kickstarter.
I also expect that we will provide a way for folks to get involved with supporting Pathfinder Onine once we get the Kickstarter sorted out. The details on that, though, will have to wait until we take care of the Kickstarter. Once we figure that out, we will be sure to let everyone know!
-Lisa
George Velez Goblin Squad Member |
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I myself could only afford the $35 pledge on the Kickstarter due to some unforseen financial cock-ups (i.e. my wages didnt get paid correctly over the last 2 months...). Even that $35 was a struggle - and I had to leave it till the very last day of the Kickstarter as I was hoping I could resolve my issues and pledge the $100, so I lost out on the daily deals - but I wanted to contribute. Now, the day after the Kickstarter drive ended, my financial problems are fixed. Nice Timing, I'm sure you'll agree.
I really want to be involved in the crowdsourcing / early enrollment phase of the game, and would be quite willing to pay the difference (and probably even a bit more, as long as we're not talking silly extra money) to gain access to this. Knowing that this may well be possible and is getting looked at makes me a very happy chappy indeed :)
DarkOne the Drow Goblin Squad Member |
As to the main question on this thread, the short answer is "yes" there will be a way to add on more funds at some point. Like it was mentioned above, we let people do some add-ons when we sent them their survey for the Technology Demo Kickstarter, so I am sure there will be something similar for this Kickstarter.
It will take up to a month for us to get the info from Kickstarter/Amazon on who bought what. We will then import that into our database and send out backer surveys. My guess is that will be in a month or so from now based on the timeline for the Technology Demo Kickstarter.
I also expect that we will provide a way for folks to get involved with supporting Pathfinder Onine once we get the Kickstarter sorted out. The details on that, though, will have to wait until we take care of the Kickstarter. Once we figure that out, we will be sure to let everyone know!
-Lisa
YES!!!! Yay for the Linux crowd, there is still a chance to get discounted subscriptions, and add-ons if there is an announcement of a Linux client.
Feegle Goblin Squad Member |
Feegle wrote:(Witness Thornkeep. IIRC, $75 pledge for a hardcopy of that book. It's on sale for $25.)To be totally fair, the $75 bought you a physical copy signed by nine different folks, a PDF of the book, access to the Goblin Squad along with the cool message board icon, and a poster of the cover artwork. So they aren't exactly a one to one basis.
-Lisa
Oh, sorry, Lisa, that text came out more bitter than I intended (which is not bitter at all). I don't regret my pledge, I got Thornkeep and the flip-maps, and so on. It was money well pledged.
I just think that arguing "I pledged $X and got early access to the beta, so it's not fair to me if other people can buy early access for less than $X." is not consistent with what the fundraising drive is supposed to do.
As you've pointed out, the pledge of $X gets you a lot more than early access to the beta, which means setting a price point of more than that for other people to purchase it later is comparing apples to oranges. Frankly, if that price didn't convince someone to pledge when they got ALL THE THINGS plus early access, a higher price isn't going to entice them into just early access anyway.
A lot of people in this community have been treating this fundraising like it's a storefront. I'm just trying to point out that this is NOT what Kickstarter is, and it's not realistic to treat it as such. It is a micro-venture capital system where you don't get your money back on completion, you rather get something tangible for your faith in the company.
Sebastian Hirsch Goblin Squad Member |
As to the main question on this thread, the short answer is "yes" there will be a way to add on more funds at some point. Like it was mentioned above, we let people do some add-ons when we sent them their survey for the Technology Demo Kickstarter, so I am sure there will be something similar for this Kickstarter.
It will take up to a month for us to get the info from Kickstarter/Amazon on who bought what. We will then import that into our database and send out backer surveys. My guess is that will be in a month or so from now based on the timeline for the Technology Demo Kickstarter.
I also expect that we will provide a way for folks to get involved with supporting Pathfinder Onine once we get the Kickstarter sorted out. The details on that, though, will have to wait until we take care of the Kickstarter. Once we figure that out, we will be sure to let everyone know!
-Lisa
Awesome, I am pretty sure that I will be able to add to my pledge quite substantially, and if enough people do it, we even might get the game sooner^^.
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Sebastian Hirsch Goblin Squad Member |
Realize that there will be necessarily reduced return on the dollar. If you turned up with ten million dollars it would still take time to integrate subsystem designs, build and coordinate them, and comprehensively test.
Of course, but in the original Kickstarter video they suggested a possible start of early enrollment early 2014. That would be really nice, and of course with more people on staff, they could work different subsystems or additional PVE material.
I am just happy, that we get the opportunity.IronVanguard Goblin Squad Member |
We have been told it goes even faster if we hit 2 million, and considering how well RSI did on their own past the kickstarter, it's certainly possible. A successful kickstarter can draw more people in.
I wouldn't say it's likely, but I was iffy on the kickstarter until the last 24 hours, so eh, what do I know.
Trikk Goblin Squad Member |
I'm not one of the people who think that subsequent deals have to be much worse than what I paid for, as long as I still get a good deal, so this suggestion might irk a few people:
Sell early beta access and a copy of the game itself for roughly what the price of a retail copy will be until early beta is filled up.
A major reason I heard why people weren't pledging is that the cheapest beta access pledge was $100. That included tons of stuff, of course, but if there was a kit for maybe half that price, stripped down but still giving beta access, I think a ton of people would jump on that.
Ryan Dancey CEO, Goblinworks |
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@All - It's just too early to speculate on what we'll do once we've worked through the initial process of fulfilling the Kickstarter Rewards and accounting for everyone's pledges.
The Fulfillment System will let people increase their pledge amounts and get Add-Ons and increase Reward levels. We'll get through that process, then we'll take stock, listen to the community, and make announcements on future plans.
Right now we just have to focus on doing right by the people who just pledged a million dollars to help us. :)
Because the Kickstarter successfully funded, we're going to be able to get the game out on an accelerated timeline. We're moving up our plans from starting Early Enrollment in early 2015 and Release in early 2017 to Early Enrollment in the summer of 2014 and Release in early 2016.
Lee Dowd Goblin Squad Member |
Indeed the point was to fund the project. In some ways the pressure has really been ramped up on you folks at Goblinworks. While I'd like to know what is going to happen right now decisions made at this point are unlikely to be as good as those made after due consideration. That old saying "Make haste slowly" has considerable merit.
Eta D'Lore Goblin Squad Member |
Good news! Thanks -Lisa for responding... I got at least (2) $20 add ons already. As I read the lore/etc. I am getting more and more excited. I would totally add additional extras once you all figure out what your going to do. I only heard about this randomly with 2 days left on kickstarter so didn't have more money to drop in ;)
PS- GW Rocks and -Ed is the man!
Fennris Goblin Squad Member |
A suggestion or rather a plea actually is to allow add ons for some of the remaining brewmasters, geography buffs, item masters, and so on. I had to go with the crowdforging buddy reward, I would have liked to do the geography buff or the Alpha instead, but needed the second account. I would just like the ability for naming whatever it is the reward allowed you to do, it doesnt include anything else. If not that allow me to upgrade my reward level and add a basic buddy account. just a thought thank you for your time.
Valandur |
As to the main question on this thread, the short answer is "yes" there will be a way to add on more funds at some point. Like it was mentioned above, we let people do some add-ons when we sent them their survey for the Technology Demo Kickstarter, so I am sure there will be something similar for this Kickstarter.
It will take up to a month for us to get the info from Kickstarter/Amazon on who bought what. We will then import that into our database and send out backer surveys. My guess is that will be in a month or so from now based on the timeline for the Technology Demo Kickstarter.
I also expect that we will provide a way for folks to get involved with supporting Pathfinder Onine once we get the Kickstarter sorted out. The details on that, though, will have to wait until we take care of the Kickstarter. Once we figure that out, we will be sure to let everyone know!
-Lisa
Very cool! :)
@All - It's just too early to speculate on what we'll do once we've worked through the initial process of fulfilling the Kickstarter Rewards and accounting for everyone's pledges.
The Fulfillment System will let people increase their pledge amounts and get Add-Ons and increase Reward levels. We'll get through that process, then we'll take stock, listen to the community, and make announcements on future plans.
Right now we just have to focus on doing right by the people who just pledged a million dollars to help us. :)
Because the Kickstarter successfully funded, we're going to be able to get the game out on an accelerated timeline. We're moving up our plans from starting Early Enrollment in early 2015 and Release in early 2017 to Early Enrollment in the summer of 2014 and Release in early 2016.
Nice! :D
George Velez Goblin Squad Member |
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@Ryan and Lisa:
Just an early idea, "Slacker Backer" Levels could be effective (Project Eternity did a similar thing). The rewards could be closer to the originally offered rewards, (no Destiny's Twin, no PDF pack, no extra month of subscription, etc).
Crowdforger-level slacker backers would get in at the last month of Early Enrollment.
And no Slacker Backer would be eligible for the add-ons (Honorable Title, Secret Salute, etc etc).
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$35 (or $40) Adventurer Slacker Backer: Game, 1 month sub, New Player Pack, Goblin Squad, Name Reservation [after everyone from the Kickstarter reserves theirs].
$100 (or $105) Crowdforger Slacker Backer: Game, 3 month sub, New Player Pack, Alliance Pack, Goblin Squad, digital soundtrack, Name Reservation [after everyone from the Kickstarter reserves theirs] - and gets into the Early Enrollment at the *last* month. Maybe include the Emerald Spire PDF.
$500 (or $505) Crowdfoger Slacker Backer Guild: 6 of (Game, 3 month, New Player Pack, Alliance Pack, Goblin Squad, soundtrack Name Reservation [after everyone from the Kickstarter reserves theirs]) plus a Guild Starter Pack - and gets into the Early Enrollment at the *last* month. Maybe include the Emerald Spire PDF.
Maybe they'll only be available for 6 months on the Paizo.com website. And/or maybe they'll only be available until the sales bring the project to a certain stretch goal (perhaps $1.15 mil).
Just a thought! Mainly because I'm so bummed we didn't get Sean K. Reynolds, and because the more $$ you get, the better my game will be!!! :)