Any chance of the characters from The WorldWound Gambit showing up as NPCs?
They might be in the new novel
I know Deskari is technically the mastermind behind the Worldwound....but will Areelu Vorlesh be making an appearance in the AP ?
She is in many ways just as responsible.
If you really can't wait...
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OH JOY......my Kellid witch who want's to re-take the widowknife is ready to go.
Thanks James.
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Any chance of the characters from The WorldWound Gambit showing up as NPCs?
A very very slight chance.
That chance increases to 100% if you expand your request to include the 64 page Worldwound book.
That chance drops to 0% if you're hoping for those characters to be the "good guys" from that book.
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I know Deskari is technically the mastermind behind the Worldwound....but will Areelu Vorlesh be making an appearance in the AP ?
She is in many ways just as responsible.
If you really can't wait...
** spoiler omitted **
OH JOY......my Kellid witch who want's to re-take the widowknife is ready to go.
Thanks James.
FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF EXPECTATION MANAGEMENT:
I know Deskari is technically the mastermind behind the Worldwound....but will Areelu Vorlesh be making an appearance in the AP ?
She is in many ways just as responsible.
If you really can't wait...
** spoiler omitted **
OH JOY......my Kellid witch who want's to re-take the widowknife is ready to go.
Thanks James.
FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF EXPECTATION MANAGEMENT:
** spoiler omitted **
really....that's a little suprising, I thought it was more or less her base of operations ?
Either way, this AP looks to be shaping up to be a potential favorite.
On another note.....
Most of our group is more interested in playing Sakorian "nationals" that want to re-take their ancestral lands.
Will it be difficult to came at the AP from this angle ?
I'm assuming it starts off with more of a "mendev crusader" mentality.
Actually... the faith of Asmodeus is, by and large, pretty pleased with the Worldwound and isn't particularly eager to see that situation end.
Because the fact that so many crusaders headed north to fight demons as the Age of Lost Omens started is perhaps one of the primary reasons Cheliax is now ruled by diabolists; there simply wasn't enough folks left behind to oppose this development because they were all up north.
So as long as there's demons in the north, Cheliax gets away with a lot more than it probably should.
But if the Worldwound overruns Mendev and the Abyssal hordes spread across Golarion, it wouldn't take too long for Cheliax to turn into demon-chow. I would imagine that the Hellknights/Asmodean Clerics would like to avoid that.
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I know Deskari is technically the mastermind behind the Worldwound....but will Areelu Vorlesh be making an appearance in the AP ?
She is in many ways just as responsible.
If you really can't wait...
** spoiler omitted **
OH JOY......my Kellid witch who want's to re-take the widowknife is ready to go.
Thanks James.
FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF EXPECTATION MANAGEMENT:
** spoiler omitted **
really....that's a little suprising, I thought it was more or less her base of operations ?
Either way, this AP looks to be shaping up to be a potential favorite.
It's her lair, yes... but once things start happening in Wrath of the Righteous... things change.
You'll see.
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On another note.....
Most of our group is more interested in playing Sakorian "nationals" that want to re-take their ancestral lands.
Will it be difficult to came at the AP from this angle ?
I'm assuming it starts off with more of a "mendev crusader" mentality.
It won't be difficult to do that at all. In fact, it'll be pretty easy... especially if your Sarkorian nationals are okay with teaming up with the crusaders to get that job done.
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But if the Worldwound overruns Mendev and the Abyssal hordes spread across Golarion, it wouldn't take too long for Cheliax to turn into demon-chow. I would imagine that the Hellknights/Asmodean Clerics would like to avoid that.Actually... the faith of Asmodeus is, by and large, pretty pleased with the Worldwound and isn't particularly eager to see that situation end.
Because the fact that so many crusaders headed north to fight demons as the Age of Lost Omens started is perhaps one of the primary reasons Cheliax is now ruled by diabolists; there simply wasn't enough folks left behind to oppose this development because they were all up north.
So as long as there's demons in the north, Cheliax gets away with a lot more than it probably should.
At which point Cheliax may well need to take drastic measures for underestimating the demons' ability to get things done.
Honestly, you could probably play a cleric/inquisitor of Asmodeus that believes the clergy in Cheliax are too shortsighted and blinded by arrogance to realize the extent of the danger of the Worldwound's existence. Now you have to put aside your differences and band together with some (kind of) like-minded individuals to close down the hellmouth that's up there.
Just out of curiousity, how'd the Alchemist do the job? TWF throwing explosive bombs and using up his daily allotment, or becoming a full blown natural weapons murder machine with mutagens and buffs?
And as James noted, nova'ing to take out a bad guy has been in the game a long time. It's entirely possible for a warrior with a crit x 3 or 4 weapon landing a full power blow as part of a charge (esp w lance) or full attack routine to one-round a higher CR enemy, too.
==Aelryinth
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Now, could I have done the Worldwound AP in a way that didn't involve direct encounters with a demon lord? Sure... but it would feel to me like a terribly missed opportunity and a let down and an anticlimax—just like if we say "This adventure sends you to Gallowspire" but then never lets you encounter the boss of that site, the Whispering Tyrant.
But... that's Carrion Crown basically. And there's been much debate over that, because the final boss never ever appeared in the AP and only the introduction of the 6th chapter made a suggestion to introduce him earlier (tough luck for those who played it as it was being published). Not only that, a lot of people on the boards were indeed disappointed with the end boss not being Whispering Tyrant.
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Now, could I have done the Worldwound AP in a way that didn't involve direct encounters with a demon lord? Sure... but it would feel to me like a terribly missed opportunity and a let down and an anticlimax—just like if we say "This adventure sends you to Gallowspire" but then never lets you encounter the boss of that site, the Whispering Tyrant.But... that's Carrion Crown basically. And there's been much debate over that, because the final boss never ever appeared in the AP and only the introduction of the 6th chapter made a suggestion to introduce him earlier (tough luck for those who played it as it was being published). Not only that, a lot of people on the boards were indeed disappointed with the end boss not being Whispering Tyrant.
Which might be why James is saying that they wouldn't want to do it (again)...
I think some of the reason for wanting to discourage Asmodean crusaders has something to do with that pesky "and good" in the DR department.
Sure you can just get a powerful enough weapon and bypass that inconvenience. But what about then the demons start picking up Mythic DR or whatever? May need Mythic Good to bypass.
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I like the idea that Paizo is always trying to do something different with each AP,with Carrion Crown you already had this "good guys versus unspeakable evil" thing but everything was placed under the spectrum of "gothic horror" and a dark mood.Now with "Wrath of the righteous" you still have this "good guys..." but everything will be placed in the light of Mythic Adventures.
Sounds like an epic story,just hope it doesn't look too muchlike a good Warhammer campaign and retains some sort of originality!
Well... I'm the one who's developing the whole thing. I've made up a character for one of the earlier editions of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay back in about 1986–1987, but I don't think it moved beyond an hour or so of gaming... And that, believe it or not, is the sum total of my actual Warhammer experience. I've seen it played before but haven't stopped to watch, and I've got plenty of friends who talk about it all the time.
But I'm really not all that up on what constitutes "a good Warhammer campaign." And unless one of my authors intentionally goes Warhammer on their manuscript (which even then shouldn't cause too much mayhem, considering the fact that the outline for the AP is VERY detailed as to plot elements and the like)... if the AP ends up looking to much like Warhammer, that'll be a coincidence of parallel design.
I do know this—while there'll be some mass combat elements in the AP, they'll be short and not all that common, and they'll use our narrative mass combat rules from Kingmaker (updated in upcoming Ultimate Campaign), so even that stuff shouldn't feel like Warhammer.
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Sounds like an epic story,just hope it doesn't look too much like a good Warhammer campaign and retains some sort of originality!
I don't understand this. A good Warhammer campaign should look like a good RPG campaign. And good campaigns are original.
Unless you mean you hope it isn't like the Enemy Within Campaign, which had an excellent arc in books 1-3, a good but ultimately a sidequest in book 4, and a giant mess for the conclusion in book 5.
But any AP that manages to get close to Enemy Within books 1-3 is gold in my book.
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I like the idea that Paizo is always trying to do something different with each AP,with Carrion Crown you already had this "good guys versus unspeakable evil" thing but everything was placed under the spectrum of "gothic horror" and a dark mood.Now with "Wrath of the righteous" you still have this "good guys..." but everything will be placed in the light of Mythic Adventures.
Sounds like an epic story,just hope it doesn't look too muchlike a good Warhammer campaign and retains some sort of originality!Well... I'm the one who's developing the whole thing. I've made up a character for one of the earlier editions of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay back in about 1986–1987, but I don't think it moved beyond an hour or so of gaming... And that, believe it or not, is the sum total of my actual Warhammer experience. I've seen it played before but haven't stopped to watch, and I've got plenty of friends who talk about it all the time.
But I'm really not all that up on what constitutes "a good Warhammer campaign." And unless one of my authors intentionally goes Warhammer on their manuscript (which even then shouldn't cause too much mayhem, considering the fact that the outline for the AP is VERY detailed as to plot elements and the like)... if the AP ends up looking to much like Warhammer, that'll be a coincidence of parallel design.
I do know this—while there'll be some mass combat elements in the AP, they'll be short and not all that common, and they'll use our narrative mass combat rules from Kingmaker (updated in upcoming Ultimate Campaign), so even that stuff shouldn't feel like Warhammer.
Well, the fact is that Worldwound is something very parallel to one of the features of Warhammer setting - the Old World also has a dimensional rift (check) located in the northern part of the setting (check) infested by chaotic demons (check) who constantly try to push south (check).
Actually, whenever I describe the Worldwound to Polish players (Warhammer is the most popular fantasy RPG here), I just tell them "it's Chaos Wastes, basically".
So Warhammer fans will look at WotR and go "ah, it's the crusade against Chaos AP".
Pretty much that. Although I have no issue with that, though I'm sure you'll get paladins that think they're Space Marines. Which is no different from the norm so... ;)
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Well... Erik and Jason are the ones who came up with the Worldwound initially... mostly Erik I believe. And both of them have played plenty of Warhammer, so I suppose that it likely DID inspire them. You'd have to ask them for sure.
But it hasn't really inspired me on my work on the region is all I'm saying.
1st edition D&D's the primary source of my demonic RPG inspirations.
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Likewise, a mythic adventure is a different creature than a core adventure—the notion of a 13th level alchemist taking down a CR 15 foe is indeed ridiculous for the core game, but NOT for a Mythic Game.
Well, if properly self-buffed (i.e. 2-3 buffs on him), I could very easily see a 13th level Alchemist one-round a CR 15 enemy. Multiple touch AC hitting bombs can do a number on most foes at that level.
Sure... but it would feel to me like a terribly missed opportunity and a let down and an anticlimax—just like if we say "This adventure sends you to Gallowspire" but then never lets you encounter the boss of that site, the Whispering Tyrant.
I kind of get the notion that this is an admission that the Carrion Crown finale could have been a bit more exciting than it turned out to be. Well, in my own game I had the Whispering Tyrant appear to taunt the party ( and explode the gnome Sorcerers eyeballs for daring to taunt back) after they'd finally finished off my heavily edited Adivion Adrissant.
Jeez, James. I was already planning on picking up Ultimate Campaign later this year, and then Mythic Adventures, but you guys just insist on taking all my spare cash, don't you?
*sighs heavily*
*goes to get an AP subscription*
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Spoiler:I kind of get the notion that this is an admission that the Carrion Crown finale could have been a bit more exciting than it turned out to be. Well, in my own game I had the Whispering Tyrant appear to taunt the party ( and explode the gnome Sorcerers eyeballs for daring to taunt back) after they'd finally finished off my heavily edited Adivion Adrissant.
Not really. We actually haven't done a lot about that particular bad guy in the adventure paths, and we didn't want to just jump in and use him "all up" in one AP. Someone that powerful needs to be primed with establishing adventures before we go forward with things on that scale.
ALSO:
Well, we did go to Gallowspire, you see... ;)
On another note.....
Most of our group is more interested in playing Sakorian "nationals" that want to re-take their ancestral lands.
Will it be difficult to come at the AP from this angle ?
I'm assuming it starts off with more of a "mendev crusader" mentality.
It won't be difficult to do that at all. In fact, it'll be pretty easy... especially if your Sarkorian nationals are okay with teaming up with the crusaders to get that job done.
Hey...whatever it takes ;)
Thanks James.
But... that's Carrion Crown basically. And there's been much debate over that, because the final boss never ever appeared in the AP and only the introduction of the 6th chapter made a suggestion to introduce him earlier (tough luck for those who played it as it was being published). Not only that, a lot of people on the boards were indeed disappointed with the end boss not being Whispering Tyrant.
Errp....I'm going to have a hard time not meta gamming that :(
Well, on the brite side....I guess I don't need to worry about becomming his "boy toy" for all eternity now.....
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Add me to the list of people who are perfectly fine with having Wrath of the Righteous be written for Mythic Characters.
It will a great change of pace before coming back to more "traditional" AP.
No single AP will please everyone, it is fine if that one is not for the people who don't want to hear about Mythic rules.
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My group will be recreating our favorite fiendslaying party from Planescape. We loosely ran through a planar version of Savage Tide from 10th level and stopped around 23rd level trying to stop Obox-Ob & an army of obryths from spreading throughout the multiverse via Yggdrasil. I see a lot of parallels in Deskari and this AP. This is one of our most long awaited campaigns from Paizo.
--Like a Vrock
Do we know if there will be deity articles?
I know I'll never play this AP. This may be odd, given that the Worldwound is the area I've wanted to see an AP tackle most, and that I'm perfectly open to Mythic.
The problem is my players (isn't it always? ;-) ). My group tends to like lower-power, gritty fantasy, and they tend to get fidgety when 5th level spells start showing up. One player flat-out told me he has zero interest in Mythic, which isn't surprising since he's a fan of E6 and was very excited when 5e started talking about Bounded Accuracy. An AP where you end up fighting something on the order of a CR30 opponent wouldn't go over well with several in the group.
Ah well. I'm looking forward to it, and I'll enjoy reading it if nothing else. And it's not as though there's a dearth of APs my group is eager to get into...
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I know I'll never play this AP. This may be odd, given that the Worldwound is the area I've wanted to see an AP tackle most, and that I'm perfectly open to Mythic.
Ah well. I'm looking forward to it, and I'll enjoy reading it if nothing else. And it's not as though there's a dearth of APs my group is eager to get into...
Gregg, I run an online game over at Roll20 and I plan to run this when it arrives. If not me, there will be others too! So never say never!
Gregg, I run an online game over at Roll20 and I plan to run this when it arrives. If not me, there will be others too! So never say never!
It might be a while for me though...I currently have three games going! LOL
When I read the Mythic playtest forums, I fear that the higher levels of the AP could turn into a constant rocket tag contest. I hope ressurections are free and plentyful in this AP.
Actually JJ responded on my third try to get a response, so your impression that I still posted this in two threads after getting the response is not correct.
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Looking at the blurbs for the PFS Season 5 scenarios, what role will the Hellknights take in the all-out War? Do they have a fortress nearby or forward operating base?
The Hellknights will not have a role at all in the Adventure Path, and their role overall in the events will be very minor.
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Not really. We actually haven't done a lot about that particular bad guy in the adventure paths, and we didn't want to just jump in and use him "all up" in one AP. Someone that powerful needs to be primed with establishing adventures before we go forward with things on that scale.
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I for one was very relieved he wasn't the main bad guy. As I read up through the books, I started getting worried because I could tell it wasn't heading in a "you get to kill [Villian]" direction. He's more of a supporting actor than the BBEG in focus. Reading through the end, he was given more a Master (Buffy) treatment: referenced, hinted at; just enough to give the clear message that if the group had failed, they would have been ROYALLY screwed.
Now, I wish [Actual Main Villain of CC] had gotten some more face-time and PC interaction before the final battles, but that's something easily changeable by the GM.
Sorry, don't me to derail a thread that's not about CC, just wanted to point this out, as I still see people using it against other/future APs.
I know that I'm just jumping right into the middle of this without reading through the thread at all, but I was wondering what people think about the Champion of Irori regarding this AP? Combining a paladin smite with the ability to affect multiple creatures all at once could potentially be pretty strong.
At first I was thinking that an Oread would be a good race, but then I realized that they take that hit to CHA, so...meh there. Either way, I'm really leaning towards a Monk/Paladin/Champion of Irori for a character build in this AP.
If I run this I might actually run an AP for good PCs.
So strange for me. Last game I ran for good PCs was 2 years ago.
After looking at the different racial options, it seems like a Monk/Paladin/Champion of Irori might be best suited for either a Suli or an Aasimar. In this particular AP an Aasimar might be better, though, since so many outsiders get elemental resistance, which would counteract the extra damage the Suli get from Elemental Assault.
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Just have to say, I hope the final boss fight involves the players literally kicking down the demon lords throneroom door.
I wonder if the player characters will have some sort of permanent base in, say, Nerosyan, with recurring NPCs and such. Also if we will visit Kenabres and be able to put a stop to the incessant burnings.