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Very little about this new substance has become common knowledge to the general public, but at the same time, it is available almost everywhere. It is sold in head shops, gas stations, smoke shops, and the internet. It is also on that very same internet where I found all the addiction stories...
They are easy to find if you specifically search for them. By the time I got around to reading them I was so far into my addiction that it was like looking in a mirror. They all had one thing in common, none were aware of how strong the drug's grip is on a person once he tries it. Many stories abound, of people who started the drug as a substitute for pot for one reason or another.
I had used cannabis in the past without becoming physically addicted to it. Like the stories from the others that I found online, I thought this drug would be similar to marijuana. Not the case. It is more addictive than crystal meth. I would know because I used that substance habitually from 2002-2003. After being hospitalized briefly for methamphetamine induced psychosis on September 15, 2003 I stopped that drug for good and never looked back. Did not even have one craving for it. Not the case with this substance...
I get woken up every hour on the hour from a sound sleep to take a puff or two, and that's when I have the substance. When I have none, I don't get any sleep at all unless I am taking very strong dosages of sleep medications. Even then, I am still awakened every hour for a pipe resin scraping. It's pathetic and shameful.
Next friday I have an intake appointment with the veterans center to see if I can be rehabilitated. There has also been increasing numbers nationwide, people seeking help for spice addiction. We never saw it coming.
If they are going to sell this stuff, there should be a warning label about how addictive it is.
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He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Wow. Your first post on the Paizo messageboard and this is what you lead with. Might be a bit over the top.
My youngest brother did a lot of spice and because (if I remember correctly) it apparently cause severe potassium deficiency, he had some terrible heart issues for a while.
You know, I think the labels say NOT FOR CONSUMPTION or something like that. My drinking glasses don't come with a warning either. Not gonna try eating them, trust me.
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My youngest brother did a lot of spice and because (if I remember correctly) it apparently cause severe potassium deficiency, he had some terrible heart issues for a while.
He's blessed that's all that happened to him. This stuff causes psyhcosis and suicidality in many cases.
There have been a couple of times where I should have died. Like the time I passed out and almost choked on vomit had my roommate not called 911.
Or the time I was in withdrawals from it and nearly drowned myself in a lake. On purpose.
But I kept on smoking because I needed it to function.
Finally I have had enough, dont want to live that way anymore. And I don't want anyone else to get sucked into this shame spiral like I did.
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You know, I think the labels say NOT FOR CONSUMPTION or something like that. My drinking glasses don't come with a warning either. Not gonna try eating them, trust me.
It's a known fact the reason it says that is to skirt the law. no one, not a single soul uses that crap for "incense" or "potpourri".
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I really hope that you can overcome this. I hope you don't find this insulting, but I'm praying for you to break the addiction.
And thanks for posting this warning. I hope it will do some good for someone.
Thank you. If this helps to prevent even one person from ruining their life, then I did my job.
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I was not aware until today that there was a real-world drug product going by this name. Sounds vicious.
Good luck with your therapy.
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Great news! I received a blessing today.
For the longest time I needed a good sturdy set of headphones, but couldn't afford them.
So anyway, it's payday and I go to get my rings out of pawn and the lady shoves a box at me and says "take anything you want out of here for free, I'm sick of looking at the stuff."
I found a really good set of Logitech headphones w/a microphone attachment.
I'm going to take this as a sign that better things are coming my way.
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You know, I think the labels say NOT FOR CONSUMPTION or something like that. My drinking glasses don't come with a warning either. Not gonna try eating them, trust me.
This has to do with US laws. For something to be illegal, it has to be identified and determined what it is, then added to the rolls of narcotic substances. The problem is that some of these chemical manufacturers are able to keep changing the formula, so that the stuff that has been made illegal is no longer what is being produced. If they label it correctly, like NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION, than they can get away with selling the stuff in stores. The purpose of these things is to use as drugs, but as long as they aren't labeled as such, it's legal to sell them.
People are going to look for cheap/easy ways to get high. So while your statement is accurate, it's unhelpful and of no practical value as it doesn't take into consideration any actual factors as to the sale and use of these drugs.
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You know, I think the labels say NOT FOR CONSUMPTION or something like that. My drinking glasses don't come with a warning either. Not gonna try eating them, trust me.This has to do with US laws. For something to be illegal, it has to be identified and determined what it is, then added to the rolls of narcotic substances. The problem is that some of these chemical manufacturers are able to keep changing the formula, so that the stuff that has been made illegal is no longer what is being produced. If they label it correctly, like NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION, than they can get away with selling the stuff in stores. The purpose of these things is to use as drugs, but as long as they aren't labeled as such, it's legal to sell them.
People are going to look for cheap/easy ways to get high. So while your statement is accurate, it's unhelpful and of no practical value as it doesn't take into consideration any actual factors as to the sale and use of these drugs.
The formula changes are always going to step in the way of getting this stuff off the market for good. Science offers so many infinite possibilites, it could go on forever like that unless a serious change happens.
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Thank you for posting this warning. This stuff is becoming more and more prevalent among students here in Germany atm - and sadly not many social workers (like me) / teachers know about it.
Good luck with the therapy and all the strength that you will need.
Take care.
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Drugs are bad. Synthetic ones are the worst.
It is these types of overgeneralizations that cause overzealous drug laws in the first place. I myself, am in favor of responsible use of drugs (recreational or otherwise), know people who are regular users of marijuana and salvia divinorum. I also know how effective LSD-assisted psychotherapy is and would never qualify LSD as a bad drug. I myself frequently enjoy egyptian blue lotus, and before they were made illegal, smoked clove cigarettes. I do not nor have I ever considered myself a bad person for responsibly enjoying the variety of natural plants this planet has to offer.
Irresponsible use of drugs is bad. Manufacturing drugs to create states of severe anxiety, depression, and addiction is bad. Drugs themselves are like any tool or weapon at mankind's disposal. They are themselves neither good or bad. It is how people use them that is.
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Choosing to or not to take part in the ethnobotanical culture is a personal decision. I never said that the drugs or the people who take drugs are bad. Only the irresponsible or destructive use of them. Very similar to how people use tools or weapons. Some people use tools irresponsibly or destructively. Some don't.
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Choosing to or not to take part in the ethnobotanical culture is a personal decision. I never said that the drugs or the people who take drugs are bad. Only the irresponsible or destructive use of them. Very similar to how people use tools or weapons. Some people use tools irresponsibly or destructively. Some don't.
Most if not all are inherently destructive, not all tools have an inherent long term damage and short term risk (like doing stupid things while high and hurting self or others). Even the least damaging (pot and alcohol for instance) are often used putting others at risk (like driving, operating machinery), The INTENT is to screw up your brain if even just for a while.
Driving and operating machinery while under the influence of mind altering drugs is not safe or responsible MAS participation. Even when using salvia divinorum or peyote, its best to have non-participating friends there to prevent the participants from acting in ways which might be harmful.
A lot of people don't drink beer. But I think there are quite a few people who drink diet beverages, or those sweetened with Nutrasweet/aspartame, a wood alcohol that destroys brain cells without even a buzz.
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I must assume Andrew doesn't drink coffee/caffeine or take aspirin, let alone anything stronger.
Drugs are substances that typically act by hijacking the reward circuits of the brain. While it's not difficult to understand why someone would want to do this, it does bring problems in the form of addiction. How destructive this is ranges from not much (sugar, coffee) to absurdly (sniffing solvents, XTC, GHB), depending on whether the substance harms the brain in other ways and what kind of behaviour the drug causes. For some drugs, like alcohol, there is a cultural understanding that helps parry some of the problems.
The problem with spice is that it's not a single substance, but many and differing ones, and "banning spice" is useless. What is being done, however, is banning the various substances that make up spice. It just takes time. Given that, however, the toxicity of spice will go down.
Yes, sort of. You know what I mean.
Is this a new spice, or does Old Spice have the same effect?
No, Old Spice just has
Deerah and Nugget: I am glad you are better and, if I may be so bold, you might want to stay away from all drugs in the future.
To all the kiddies at home: Drugs are bad. Don't do them.
To all the adults:
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Deerah and Nugget: I am glad you are better and, if I may be so bold, you might want to stay away from all drugs in the future.
To all the kiddies at home: Drugs are bad. Don't do them.
To all the adults:** spoiler omitted **
Can't say i really approve of your favorite either but in the whole of mind altering crap it is one of the safer in moderation. Of course the ones that have smoked themselves retarded show it is hardly safe as many users claim.
I must assume Andrew doesn't drink coffee/caffeine or take aspirin, let alone anything stronger.The day my tea makes me not see straight, walk think or drive straight we may talk about my addiction. Let alone all of the fun drugs that make you hallucinate or bork your senses completely
It's funny, because none of my friends can tell when I'm drunk. I don't stagger, I don't slur my words, I just talk a lot and make lots of trips to the bathroom.
Also, there are plenty of "accepted" over the counter medication that reduce your faculties far worse than alcohol or marijuana.
I dunno, my drug of choice is LSD, but I haven't dropped in over a decade. Peculiarly dry well for a college town...
PCP is also a fun drug. It induces confusion and psychosis, both of which may be permanent. The characteristic mark of this drug, angel's dust, is that people start eating their own bodies.
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Despite never touching the stuff - ANY of the stuff - and having no desire to, and suggesting others do the same... I still don't see much logic behind locking people away in prison for doing nothing other than frying their own brains and/or having the means at hand to do so.
Getting behind the wheel brainblasted is one thing. Brainblasting yourself in the comfort of your own home and harming no one else is another. And people wonder why we have over-full, expensive prisons.
I believe PCP was one of those drugs designed to be excessively addictive (please correct me if I'm wrong), and would never personally participate in its use.
As for LSD, the participation in such a drug, in my humble opinion, requires expert oversight, from both the chemical and the psychological benefits of peeling away the layers of the subconscious. It is one of the reasons why I am in favor of LSD-assisted psychotherapy. Participating in LSD on one's own is a risky and dangerous decision.
I think people should learn to take tales of drug-induced schizophrenia with a grain of salt. Not that PCP is unlike what it is commonly believed to be, but many other drugs aren't as bad/are much worse than widespread media portrayal.
Participating in LSD on one's own is a risky and dangerous decision.
No, it's really not. It's about as chill as it gets, and isn't even strong as far as hallucinogens go.
Are you speaking from experience?
There are tons of preconceptions of what drugs do. Good and bad. Still, it pays to stay away from the truly dangerous stuff. Do not sniff glue, the dementia is real. GHB IS lethal, both through breathing depression .and severe aggressive/violent reactions. XTC does hurt your brain, gving a far increased risk of depression. The expected survival of a heroin addict is a few years. And for the love of all that is holy: don't EVER touch PCP
Participating in LSD on one's own is a risky and dangerous decision.No, it's really not. It's about as chill as it gets, and isn't even strong as far as hallucinogens go.
Are you speaking from experience?
Not my personal experience, but yes. But perhaps LSD has grades of potency (much like salvia divinorum). I know that the lower two grades of salvia are a chill hallucinogenic experience, but the higher grade is not a chill experience.
Wait... are you saying something you got from a [i]gas station[/i[ wasn't good for you?
Sarcasm aside, I have found from my travels that ANYTHING sold in Kwicki marts (or Kum-N-Go's in Iowa) is going to be really bad for you. It is all candy, junk food and processed crap. Jack Lalanne really said it best, "If man made it, don't eat it!" While I'm sure Jack wasn't much of a drug user, I think it is a sound philosophy to apply to almost anything you put in your body.
But really, I probably wouldn't even trust the motor oil sold at places like that, so buying drugs is right out!
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Yeah, you buy your drugs in the parking lot of the gas station, not the gas station itself!
Oh, btw, kiddies: don't do drugs.
No, i agree with what you said earlier, if you are going to do it grow your own. Make SURE it is as safe as you canYeah, you buy your drugs in the parking lot of the gas station, not the gas station itself!
Oh, btw, kiddies: don't do drugs.
Those two things are often in conflict.
I'd def say trust your dealer.
If only there were some way we could have an organization responsible for trying to ensure things were safe for human consumption.
If only there were some way we could have an organization responsible for trying to ensure things were safe for human consumption.
I agree, that would be nice.
As it stands, we have the FDA which acts as one big rubber stamp for the pharmaceutical industry, and a bunch of drug laws based on racism and cultural panic rather than any objective dangers.I'm sure I'm overstating it, I'm sure the FDA has done some good stuff, but I can't overlook the two-facedness of its policies.
I agree, that would be nice.
As it stands, we have the FDA which acts as one big rubber stamp for the pharmaceutical industry, and a bunch of drug laws based on racism and cultural panic rather than any objective dangers.I'm sure I'm overstating it, I'm sure the FDA has done some good stuff, but I can't overlook the two-facedness of its policies.
If Mexican drug cartels were as clever as people give them credit for, they'd own a few senators by now.
Wait a second...
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As it stands, we have the FDA which acts as one big rubber stamp for the pharmaceutical industry, and a bunch of drug laws based on racism and cultural panic rather than any objective dangers.
Spoken like someone who has no idea how many hoops the pharmaceutical industry has to jump through to comply with the ever-changing regulatory world.
Guess what, meatrace, the pharma industry isn't just regulated by the FDA. There's the European Medicines Agency, the Japanese Ministry of Health and Welfare, Canada, Mexico, Brazil's ANVIA . . . .
There European countries who won't accept electronically submitted information, so everything gets snail-mailed. Middle Eastern countries require that medicines don't violate their halal rules (like insulin made from pig pancreases).
And when the EMA sends over inspectors, God help you if you get the French guy and the German guy. They can't stand each other.
Every year, the regulatory agencies' foot-dragging means thousands of people die from being unable to get the medicines they need. Compliance costs billions of dollars, which the pharmaceutical, food, and cosmetic industries have to pass on to you.
So the next time you complain about the cost of a jar of skin lotion, or that your grandma can't get a drug to treat her Alzheimer's, you may want to thank your regulatory agency for "protecting" you.