Jiggy RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 |
Dhjika |
What is the alignment of the deity you want to take? If it is LN, NG, TN, CN, or NE, then you could. If they are LG, CG, LE, or CE, then you could not, as it is two steps away. Diagonals don't count for these "steps."
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The God has an alignment of NGWhat judges have been saying (some) is that unless a god True Nuetral, clerics cannot be true neutral themselves
Arazyr |
A cleric’s alignment must be within one step of his deity’s (that is, it may be one step away on either the lawful-chaotic axis or the good-evil axis, but not both). A cleric may not be neutral unless his deity’s alignment is also neutral.
Bolding is mine.
And yes, this was taken out for Pathfinder RPG, so anyone still using it is houseruling. (Nothing wrong with that, but it's nice to know.)
Grick |
KenderKin |
True Neutral is a tricky alignment in many respects.
A druid for example is listed in the RAW as
"Alignment: Any neutral"
A cleric on the other hand is listed in RAW as:
"Alignment: A cleric's alignment must be within one step of her deity's, along either the law/chaos axis or the good/evil axis."
The druid it seems could be True neutral without any problems it is the cleric who seems to have the problem in this situation.
So RAWa Cleric of Erastil can not be true neutral, but a druid of Erastil can be......imho
Strongest argument is that neutral is no step along either axis, it is the center point or orgin of the axis.
Grick |
So RAWa Cleric of Erastil can not be true neutral
Yes, because Erastil is Lawful good. True neutral is two steps away.
Strongest argument is that neutral is no step along either axis, it is the center point or orgin of the axis.
It's steps away from the deities alignment. Neutral is one step away from Lawful Neutral and Neutral Good, but two steps away from Lawful Good.
Also, in PFS, all characters must be within one step of their chosen deity. So a PFS druid of Erastil would have to be Lawful Neutral.
Grick |
I miss the good old days when a druid had to be true neutral, rather than now when they can not seem to get there.
A druid can still be true neutral. Just not in PFS if she worships a deity more than one step away.
Where is the rule regarding druids in PFS?
Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play page 10, Step 11: Finishing Touches, Religion: "Characters may elect to worship an evil god, but must always be within one alignment step of their chosen deity."
While that sounds like it only applies to characters who worship an evil god, I think it's supposed to be a general rule. As a druid, you don't have to worship a god.
FrinkiacVII |
In my campaigns (meaning, when I DM) I have several rules about the alignments of PCs. One of them is that the PCs cannot be True Neutral. I reserve that alignment for animals, oozes, plants, constructs, and anything else that is physically incapable of having an opinion. All attempts I've seen by players trying to play True Neutral fail in the sense that people generally either get greedy and use their neutrality as an excuse to act evil (and I don't allow evil as a PC alignment either) or else they're just acting good most of the time but calling it Neutral in order to gain the mechanical advantage of being able to wield an Unholy weapon or something (and for that matter, I also give any non-evil creature trying to wield an Unholy Weapon the negative levels, etc).
Another bad scenario that can happen is that the True Neutral player thinks that True Neutral means he should just alternate between good and evil in turn, arbitrarily saving one damsel in distress, killing and robbing another, etc. In my opinion the only things capable of really role-playing True Neutral are things that act on instinct alone, or programming, or stimulus-response, or some such.
While we're on the subject, I also treat all undead as Evil creatures, including mindless zombies, etc. The exception to this is some ghosts, which are generally only there in the NPC storyline function (like Obi-Wan in The Empire Strikes Back).
Cult of Vorg |
3.5 SRD Cleric page, Alignment section wrote:A cleric’s alignment must be within one step of his deity’s (that is, it may be one step away on either the lawful-chaotic axis or the good-evil axis, but not both). A cleric may not be neutral unless his deity’s alignment is also neutral.Bolding is mine.
And yes, this was taken out for Pathfinder RPG, so anyone still using it is houseruling. (Nothing wrong with that, but it's nice to know.)
Guess my memory was wrong. Good find.