Point-blank shot penalty negation.


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I remember in 3.5e there was a -4 penalty for using a ranged weapon in close range and the Point-blank shot feat negated the -4 penalty to attack as well as granted a +1 bonus to attack and damage.

In Pathfinder, in the feat description for Point-blank shot it only mentions that the feat grants a +1 bonus to attack and damage. Does that -4 penalty for using a ranged weapon in melee still exist?

This came up during my last session. My players weren't familiar with the penalty and I was unable to locate it in the CRB, so I didn't have the character incur that penalty at the time.

Is there such a penalty? If so, where can I locate it?

Note that I'm not talking about the -4 penalty for firing into a melee that is negated by Precise Shot.

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No, there's no such penalty. It's mostly just a feat tax to get to Precise Shot now.


No such wording is shown in my copy of the 3.5 player's handbook. Point Blank shot does the same in both 3.5 and PF.


No. that specific rule does not exist.

-4 into melee

and

+4 AC for cover. (ranges from +2 to +8)
Page 195 in the core rule book if you want to check it out.

are the only ones that have anything to do with what you speak of.


Wolf Munroe wrote:
I remember in 3.5e there was a -4 penalty for using a ranged weapon in close range and the Point-blank shot feat negated the -4 penalty to attack as well as granted a +1 bonus to attack and damage.

No it didn't. Point Blank Shot hasn't changed between 3.5 and Pathfinder.

There is no -4 penalty for using a ranged weapon in melee. In either 3.5 or Pathfinder. It does provoke an attack of opportunity though. I do believe that at least one of the various D&D computer games has a penalty for using a ranged weapon in melee, though I can't be sure. (It was either a penalty on the attack roll, or a penalty to your AC.)


Thanks, guys. I guess that rule is only in Neverwinter Nights. I could have sworn I read it in a rulebook once.

Jeraa wrote:
Wolf Munroe wrote:
I remember in 3.5e there was a -4 penalty for using a ranged weapon in close range and the Point-blank shot feat negated the -4 penalty to attack as well as granted a +1 bonus to attack and damage.

No it didn't. Point Blank Shot hasn't changed between 3.5 and Pathfinder.

There is no -4 penalty for using a ranged weapon in melee. In either 3.5 or Pathfinder. It does provoke an attack of opportunity though. I do believe that at least one of the various D&D computer games has a penalty for using a ranged weapon in melee, though I can't be sure. (It was either a penalty on the attack roll, or a penalty to your AC.)


I think you may be getting confused by the wording. In both 3.5 and PF ranged combat worked the same way:

If you fire into melee: one of your allies fighting 5 feet away from an enemy (how does reach interact with this?) you take a -4 penalty on attack rolls (presumably due to the strain of having to focus on not hitting your friend) unless you have Precise Shot, which removes this penalty.

Point Blank Shot only has ever conferred a +1 bonus on attack and damage rolls when firing at someone no more than 30 ft. away (within 30 ft.).

If you attempt to shoot someone that has cover, such as one of your allies standing between you and your target, they get a cover bonus to AC, as Juke explained.

If you make a ranged attack while in an enemy's threatened area (usually adjacent/5 ft. from an armed opponent), you provoke an Attack of Opportunity. PF has a few abilities and a feat (Point Blank Master) that remove this penalty.

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