GM Credit question - a different type of question


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Shadow Lodge

so a thought Crossed my mind ... and Im not sure if its ever been asked

this is not a situation that I am currently looking at .. just a general question

for the sake of argument Lets say you GM a 7-11 and your highest character is a 3

procedure says ...
assign the character# you wish to apply credit to when you report the scenario
hold the credit till your character is of level (in this case 7) to be able to receive the credit

now

lets say that through a series of unfortunate events the Character Dies a few times ... expends Prestige / Boons / Favors / money and has nothing left ... and dies again ... no way to bring him back ... (I am ignoring surviving PC's pitching in to help res for a reason)

what happens to that held credit ... is it wasted ... applied to a new # ?

Im more curious than anything if this has ever come up before and if so what was the answer


It hasn't come up -- that I'm aware of. So I'll answer from the perspective of how I think it would work and how I would work with it for my own characters ... I would say since it has been already assigned that the credit is wasted.

Personally, I don't take GM credit above level 5 ... but that's my personal thing

Liberty's Edge 5/5 Venture-Agent, United Kingdom—England—Chester aka Paz

I have a recollection that it had been OKed for a GM to get credit switched to another PC, if the original PC died before being reaching the level of the credit... but that could just be wishful thinking.

Silver Crusade

I've seen this question asked a few times, but I don't know if it's really ever happened. I know it was discussed in the context of whether or not GMs have to assign their chronicles as soon as they get them, or if they can "hold" them and assign them to a specific PC later when they need to level up in the middle of a convention to qualify for a particular table. That was a big debate, at the time.

Liberty's Edge 5/5 Venture-Agent, United Kingdom—England—Chester aka Paz

I found the answer:

Michael Brock wrote:
If you GM a 7-11 scenario and apply it to a 4th level character and are holding it until that character hits 7th level, and then it dies at 5th level, you do not get to assign it to a different character.

That response is from over a year ago but I can't see anything more recent which contradicts it.

Grand Lodge 5/5

Pathfinder Pawns Subscriber

During Season 3 you could apply it when you wanted by reason of omission per Mike Brock and he said he was going to decide whether to allow it or not and make it clear in season 4.

Now, in season 4 the character you apply it to must be specified at the end of the scenario and thus you can't delay applying it or change it.

Guide To Pathfinder Society Organized Play 4.2 Page 39 wrote:


When you choose to take a Chronicle sheet for GM credit, you must decide which of your characters receives the Chronicle sheet when you fill
out the tracking sheet for that table. You must apply Chronicle sheets in the order they are received. The only exception is when you hold a higher-tier Chronicle for a lower-tier character. In either case, you do not need to build the character until you actually play it.


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Yep. Unfortunately, once it's assigned it's assigned. You could, however, choose not to take credit for running the 7-11, then take run the scenario again when you have a character high enough.

Dark Archive

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Sean H wrote:

Yep. Unfortunately, once it's assigned it's assigned. You could, however, choose not to take credit for running the 7-11, then take run the scenario again when you have a character high enough.

I recommend this course of action. Helps increase the number of play opportunities for high tier, too.


If I don't want credit the first time I run a scenario, do I just leave the character number blank so I get table credit without assigning it to any given PC?

Liberty's Edge 5/5 Venture-Agent, United Kingdom—England—Chester aka Paz

Patrick Harris @ SD wrote:
If I don't want credit the first time I run a scenario, do I just leave the character number blank so I get table credit without assigning it to any given PC?

Yes.


Patrick Harris @ SD wrote:
If I don't want credit the first time I run a scenario, do I just leave the character number blank so I get table credit without assigning it to any given PC?

indeed. Done it quite a few times to make sure I don't miss out on something specific I want.

For example:

Sanos Abduction (minor spoiler):
the boon from this chronicle sheet, I want to assign it to a character who will be able to use it!

doh' Paz-ninja'd

Liberty's Edge 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Alaska—Anchorage aka Dragnmoon

On skipping GM Credit for a scenario and getting it later when you run it again, here is the same answer from Mike.

Michael Brock wrote:
Also, GMs can choose which running of a scenario they wish to apply GM credit. So, if you run a scenario tonight, this weekend, and on the 17th, you may opt to skip GM credit tonight or this weekend and take the GM credit from running the game on the 17th.

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Patrick Harris @ SD wrote:
If I don't want credit the first time I run a scenario, do I just leave the character number blank so I get table credit without assigning it to any given PC?

I'll write down 4218-00 on my Tracking Sheet at conventions, which lets the HQ / con organizer know that I'm deliberately not taking credit (whether I am declining to take credit that I could, or I've already taken credit for the adventure) and save them the trouble of hunting me down and asking me if I'd forgotten.

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Chris Mortika wrote:
I'll write down 4218-00 on my Tracking Sheet at conventions, which lets the HQ / con organizer know that I'm deliberately not taking credit (whether I am declining to take credit that I could, or I've already taken credit for the adventure) and save them the trouble of hunting me down and asking me if I'd forgotten.

We won't be hunting you down to ask at Gen Con :D

Grand Lodge 5/5 Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka TriOmegaZero

They'll just be hunting you.

Grand Lodge

Some comments:

You don't waste the Chronicle if your character dies. You loose it. The Chronicle has already been assigned to a character so it is not wasted - just lost when that character dies.

Holding a GM credit Chronicle sheet (IE. not assigning it to a character right away) was never an option. It was never "in limbo". From the start of GM credit, the sheet had to be assigned to a character and held for that character until they could use it. A review of earlier PFS Guides will show this. There was a commonly held belief that one didn't have to assign GM credit right away, but that belief was not supported by the text of the various PFS Guides.

Chris, not sure using '00' for the GM character number is the best way to indicate you are not taking GM credit for that session as '00' could be considered a character. If it was entered into the system, does the system consider it a character?

It would probably be better to put a line through the space or maybe a large 'X' or just leave it blank.


The system does recognize character -00 as a valid id (just checked it)

However, if a character is never assigned to that number what harm is there?

Grand Lodge

The harm is that the system will say the credit is not valid when credit is subsequently applied to a different character number later.


but the fact that the physical chronicle is the final record of form supercedes the reporting system. So that kind of negates your rebuttal

Grand Lodge

I try to say what needs to be said and leave it at that. A lot of back and forth posts just tends to become noise after a while - so my apologies for yet another post, but ...

Physical chronicles are the final record. The official record of note. But that doesn't mean the online records aren't supposed to match the physical records. Just because the physical chronicles ultimately determine what's what, doesn't give us the right to be sloppy with the online records.

One of a Venture-Captain's duties is to ensure that online PFS records are reported, and reported accurately. If Paizo has set this as a responsibility for Venture-Captains, that would seem to imply they want online records to be accurate.

So using the fact that physical chronicles are the final record does not negate the need to maintain accurate online records.

TL;DNR - no it doesn't. ;-P

Liberty's Edge 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Alaska—Anchorage aka Dragnmoon

I find it easier to just make it obvious for the coordinator when I am GMing and not Getting GM credit.

I just put "No GM Credit" in the GM Character # space.

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Don walker wrote:
You don't waste the Chronicle if your character dies. You loose it. The Chronicle has already been assigned to a character so it is not wasted - just lost when that character dies.

*headscratch*

That looks pretty much like the definition of wasted to me.


BigNorseWolf wrote:
Don walker wrote:
You don't waste the Chronicle if your character dies. You loose it. The Chronicle has already been assigned to a character so it is not wasted - just lost when that character dies.

*headscratch*

That looks pretty much like the definition of wasted to me.

BNW for once I agree with you.. changing a word does not change the definition and does not make one person's post 'more right' than anothers.

I still say no matter what, that the physicial chronicle is the official record, and if the leadership wants things reported differently they need to give us a mechanic in the reporting tool to report "no credit" for GMs only.

Until then, I'll continue to leave my number spot blank and I'm sure that Chris will continue to put -00 in for his character number and others will do whatever it is they do.

Grand Lodge 5/5

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Don Walker wrote:

Some comments:

Holding a GM credit Chronicle sheet (IE. not assigning it to a character right away) was never an option. It was never "in limbo". From the start of GM credit, the sheet had to be assigned to a character and held for that character until they could use it. A review of earlier PFS Guides will show this. There was a commonly held belief that one didn't have to assign GM credit right away, but that belief was not supported by the text of the various PFS Guides.

You are right, I looked at 4.1 and the same text is there. Mike Brock did call for a discussion on something similar to this. It might have been about whether or not the GM could delay picking his feats and building his character or not. I remember seeing some people complain about GM's saying "let me just finish this character" at the start of a scenario.

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