Dragon Empire's Gods and the Great Beyond


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I am a little late, but :
- Merry Christmas everyone !
- Please excuse my english

I am trying to figure on which planes live the gods worshipped in Tian-Xia.

There are the easy ones :
- Fumeiyoshi --> Abaddon
- General Susumu --> Hell
- Irori --> Axis (but not mentioned in the Great Beyond)
- Kofusachi --> Elyseum
- Lady Nanbyo --> Abyss
- Qi Zhong --> Nirvana
- Shizuru --> Heaven
- Tsukiyo --> Heaven
- Yaezhing --> Hell

There are the ones on the "I am not sure" wing :
- Hei Feng --> boundary between the elemental planes of Air and Water ?
- Lao Shu Po --> Abaddon ? (it does not fit very well her portfolio)
- Sun Wukong --> Elyseum or Maelström ?
- Yamatsumi --> Earth ?

And there this 2 who are totally problematical for me :
- Daikitsu --> ???
- Nalinivati --> ???
That's my only real problem with the Great Beyond : there is neither a neutral plane (apart from the boneyard) nor a "nature plane". Would there be one of those, it would be fine.
So, where live the goddess of agriculture and the goddess of fertility ?

(and I'am still trying to figure why Gorum live in Elyseum and not in Maelström, considering his/its nature)

I will be glad if anyone answer to my questions, but it will be greater to have an official answer from James Jacob, Todd Stewart or any other Pathfinder planar specialist.


I'm a noob here, but I would think The First World (Faerie) takes the place of the nature/neutral planes for Golarion.

Other then that, I can't help you (and I am not even sure if that small bit is correct).


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You could try posting these questions in the ask James Jacob thread.

Neutral outsiders do get a bit of the short end of the stick in Pathfinder.


Thank for your answers.

The First World is a primal wild plane. For me agriculture is the opposite : it's a "controlled nature" so it doesn't fit Daikistu well.

"You could try posting these questions in the ask James Jacob thread."
You're right, I will also ask this there.

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Lev wrote:


There are the ones on the "I am not sure" wing :
- Hei Feng --> boundary between the elemental planes of Air and Water ?
- Lao Shu Po --> Abaddon ? (it does not fit very well her portfolio)
- Sun Wukong --> Elyseum or Maelström ?
- Yamatsumi --> Earth ?

And there this 2 who are totally problematical for me :
- Daikitsu --> ???
- Nalinivati --> ???
That's my only real problem with the Great Beyond : there is neither a neutral plane (apart from the boneyard) nor a "nature plane". Would there be one of those, it would be fine.
So, where live the goddess of agriculture and the goddess of fertility ?

(and I'am still trying to figure why Gorum live in Elyseum and not in Maelström, considering his/its nature)

I will be glad if anyone answer to my questions, but it will be greater to have an official answer from James Jacob, Todd Stewart or any other Pathfinder planar specialist.

Standard disclaimer that no answer of mine constitutes any form of canon answer. Informed guess I suppose until something appears in print, or James or someone else from Paizo provides an official answer. :)

Hei Feng - I'd actually be tempted to go with a domain in the Maelstrom
Lao Shu Po - Plane of Shadow most likely
Sun Wukong - Elysium or Maelstrom, tempted to go more for Elysium
Yamatsumi - Elemental Plane of Earth probably

Daikitsu - Somewhere in the as yet to be fully detailed regions of the Boneyard outside of Pharasma's domain. Or potentially Nirvana the more I think about it
Nalinivati - same thing, probably with a hidden link between the domains, given the shared fertility aspect and rumors of connection between the two

As for why Gorum is in Elysium, that was actually set before I got my hands on detailing the planes, and some of the flavor text I gave regarding his domain was to suggest his presence there via some sort of agreement with the Azata, based on some past cooperation in events left undefined. It's a mystery, and an intentional one, or at least that was my intent there :)


Thank a lot Todd ! Your answers are always helpful.

Todd Stewart wrote:


Hei Feng -> Maelstrom
Lao Shu Po -> Plane of Shadow
Sun Wukong -> Elysium
Yamatsumi -> Plane of Earth

I like all of this !

I haven't thought of the plane of shadow.

For Daikitsu or neutral nature gods : could we really imagine realms - with forests and crops - on the top of the spire near the Boneyard ?
It seems really strange for me (and for me : it's already the realms of the rilmani ;-)). I think I prefer your Nirvana proposal.

Here is James Jacobs' answer in the "ask James Jacobs thread" :

James Jacobs wrote:

We haven't yet assigned otherplanar realms to those deities, so I'm not ready to reveal those locations yet.

There are neutral planes and nature planes out there. The First World comes to mind immediately, but there are also plenty of other planes in the Great Beyond other than those we've listed so far.

Gorum lives in Elysium because it's more organized. He gets more attention in a realm where there's less craziness than the Maelstrom.

For the First World : I'm ok that it could be a home plane for Nalinivati and other nature gods, but not for Daikitsu (and her agriculture portfolio).

Todd Stewart wrote:
Nalinivati - same thing, probably with a hidden link between the domains, given the shared fertility aspect and rumors of connection between the two

I was thinking of something like this for Norgorber's realms : a sort of "linking realm" between Axis and Abaddon (Szuriel's realm)... a realm/plane in which lives the Yugoloths too (and called Gehenna ?). :oD

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Something to keep in mind is that the home plane of a god does not necessarily apply to it's alignment. There's CN gods on the CG plane, NE gods on the LN plane, etc. With that said, I feel like most of the gods of the Dragon Empire either reside in Heaven or in the myriad complexities of Hell. Those who reside in neither reside in Nirvana, when they are not wandering the material plane.


Although it's definitely true that Irori lives in Axis, I thought I read somewhere that he lived in Nirvana. Or maybe he just 'guards' it? From within Axis somehow? Anyway... this link might help somewhat. It doesn't have their homes listed, but it gives all sorts of interesting details about them. Also this list of planes could be useful.

:)

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