staff magus with twf

[Pendagast]

a staff magus gets the ability to wield a quarterstaff one handed.
The quarterstaff is a double weapon.
Could a staff magus get the TWF feat enabling him to TWF with the quarterstaff in one hand?

not asking if he can combine this with spell combat, but in lieu of it, if no spells available or doesnt want to waste a spell.

additionally what about two weapon defense, would this be able to stack with his ac, or not?

[Seranov]

You need both hands to use a double weapon for TWF. It says so specifically in the bit about double weapons, iirc.

[Quantum Steve]

Seranov wrote:

You need both hands to use a double weapon for TWF. It says so specifically in the bit about double weapons, iirc.

Correct.

PRD wrote:

Double Weapons: Dire flails, dwarven urgroshes, gnome hooked hammers, orc double axes, quarterstaves, and two-bladed swords are double weapons. A character can fight with both ends of a double weapon as if fighting with two weapons, but he incurs all the normal attack penalties associated with two-weapon combat, just as though the character were wielding a one-handed weapon and a light weapon.

The character can also choose to use a double weapon two-handed, attacking with only one end of it. A creature wielding a double weapon in one hand can't use it as a double weapon—only one end of the weapon can be used in any given round.

[Pendagast]

this stuff was written before staff magus however, and din't have it's ability in mind.

IF that part is true, and a double weapon can be in one hand, why is the staff magus's "ability" necessary?

[CrystalSpellblade]

Still no. Read the bolded part.

PRD wrote:

Quarterstaff Master (Combat)

You can wield a quarterstaff as either a two-handed or one-handed weapon.

Prerequisites: Weapon Focus (quarterstaff), base attack bonus +5.

Benefit: By employing a number of different stances and techniques, you can wield a quarterstaff as a one-handed weapon. At the start of your turn, you decide whether or not you are going to wield the quarterstaff as a one-handed or two-handed weapon. When you wield it as a one-handed weapon, your other hand is free, and you cannot use the staff as a double weapon. You can take the feat Weapon Specialization in the quarterstaff even if you have no levels in fighter.

[Brian Darnell]

That all being said, now I want to make a staff magus that uses a quarterstaff in one hand and punches with the other! :)

[Seranov]

The Staff Magus gets Quarterstaff Master so that they can still use Spell Combat. You can only use it when one hand is free and you're wielding a Light or One-Handed Weapon, of which a Quarterstaff is neither unless you have the feat.

[Vellas]

You could always just use two quarterstaffs to twf though.

[Seranov]

You could, yes.

You'd look silly, but you could.

[Pendagast]

and what about using the wand wielder arcana?
This says staff as well?

So, a magus fighting with a staff doesn't need to have an open hand if he has wand wielder to activate the staff with a charge.
This is rather confusing, really. because this gives the picture of a regular magus, using the staff one handed anyway, so what is the point?

seems the quarterstaff is already a one handed weapon if you choose it to be.

Rather confusing in general, really.

the abilities of this feat seem redundant with a choice a non feat haver could already do. What does quarterstaff master give you, that under double weapons/quarterstaff you couldn't already do?

[Emil Refn]

Quarterstaff Master allows you to attack with your quarterstaff with only one hand on it.

[Seranov]

Emil Refn wrote:

Quarterstaff Master allows you to attack with your quarterstaff with only one hand on it.

This. Without Quarterstaff Master and/or the Wand Wielder arcana (and by the way, the Wand Wielder arcana means a magical staff with spells in it, not just any staff) you cannot use Spellstrike/Combat while wielding a Quarterstaff.

[Quantum Steve]

Pendagast wrote:

this stuff was written before staff magus however, and din't have it's ability in mind.

IF that part is true, and a double weapon can be in one hand, why is the staff magus's "ability" necessary?

A quarterstaff is a two-handed weapon. You can't wield it one-handed unless you have some means of doing so; like using a small-sized quarterstaff, Quarterstaff Master, or Jotungrip.

[anarchitect]

OK. So it's been pointed out previously that a staff Magus doesn't really need TWF to get an extra attack, thanks to spellstrike and 0th level touch spells. So there's no real point to using TWF on your staff magus.

Naw, I'm joking. The quarterstaff is a double weapon, for pete's sake, and so damn flexible. What I love about the staff is that with quarterstaff master, you can use it as a one handed weapon, a two handed weapon, or a double weapon at will. All we need is a reason to do so.

Here it is: Chill touch and Frostbite. These spells give you a number of touch attack charges equal to your caster level. When you cast this spell the next (CL) in successful hits will be modified. Except that you can't use it with spellstrike and spell combat, because casting another spell will disperse all remaining charges. It will, however, work with TWF. Round one, use the staff one handed and toss down frostbite with spell combat. The following rounds, shift to a double weapon and TWF to get the extra attack. At the end of your round, take a free action to shift to a Two handed stance: That way any attacks of opportunity you make deal 1.5 times your strength bonus.

Really, you can milk a lot out of abusing different grips in different situations. Remember that shifting from a one hand to a two hand grip is a free action.