Succubus in a grapple.


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I'm not certain I'd resist the level drain...

Rule of cool, guys.


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Scaffold Kane wrote:

I'm not certain I'd resist the level drain...

Rule of cool, guys.

What's your will save?


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CrimsonVixen wrote:

I believe my Mistress would be quite supportive in you joining our experiments. Though I wonder if our respective patrons will decide to us this as a proxy for their own disagreements.

~fluffs up her wings and traces the membrane supports~
I am now curious how two sets of wings will interact in a grapple. Are there any feats that could aid this?

It's settled then, we do the work and let our Mistresses sort it out.

*fluffs her own wings out*

Not sure how they'll interact, but I know they can be used to keep someone trapped in your embrace, like this.
*grabs hold of Crimson and wraps her wings around to entangle her attempts to get free*

More surface contact equals more passion equals less desire to get free of entangling wings.


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*Narrows eyes*
Hhhhhhhm...
*Watches from behind a corner the new Calistrian stealing her spotlight*
If I may: for once, there is previous documented research, and it is also illustrated.
*Mythic Punches the fourth wall, retrieves copy of Demon Revisited*
Even if it is a little stylized (never seen a succubus with those bat wings), we can base ourselves on this statue of two succubi embracing each other with their wings. Something like this...

*Stretches wings out, then flexes the upper arch on the wings under her arms, wraps wings around imaginary partner*
They get less in the way like this: entangling to prevent attempts to get free are a-okay, but entagling of hair and clothes are not so.


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Oh patience Selena, we'll get to you in due time, it's easier to drain one level than five. And hair pulling is half the fun...~whines cutely~

Also, I was looking at the monk class, and it says lawful-only alignments, is there some feat or trait to bypass that?


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Selena Halfblood wrote:

*Narrows eyes*

Hhhhhhhm...
*Watches from behind a corner the new Calistrian stealing her spotlight*
If I may: for once, there is previous documented research, and it is also illustrated.
*Mythic Punches the fourth wall, retrieves copy of Demon Revisited*
Even if it is a little stylized (never seen a succubus with those bat wings), we can base ourselves on this statue of two succubi embracing each other with their wings. Something like this...

*Stretches wings out, then flexes the upper arch on the wings under her arms, wraps wings around imaginary partner*
They get less in the way like this: entangling to prevent attempts to get free are a-okay, but entagling of hair and clothes are not so.

Wait, what? Someone would want to get free from a Succubus' embrace? They must belong to an Asexual species.


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CrimsonVixen wrote:
Also, I was looking at the monk class, and it says lawful-only alignments, is there some feat or trait to bypass that?

Not all monks must be lawful.

See?:
A martial artist may be of any alignment.

/cevah


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GreenDragon1133 wrote:
Wait, what? Someone would want to get free from a Succubus' embrace? They must belong to an Asexual species.

Well, no, because as delightful as Vixen is...sooner or later, you just have to answer the call of nature. But otherwise, yes.


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Anyone know what Fall From Grace's phone number is, I could go for a good grapple.

Now to find out what the country code for Sigil is...hmmmm.

(for those who do not know, Fall From Grace is a succubus cleric you can gain as a party member in one of the greatest of all games, Planescape: Torment, and yes, you can indeed "grapple" her, it kills you, but you are immortal (mostly) and damn is it worth it)


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Ah, but you should remember Selena, I'm not a succubus, I just look like one.

*Observing Selena's positioning Nessa tries to mimic it, awkwardly*

Oh, this could be quite interesting.


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CrimsonVixen wrote:


Also, I was looking at the monk class, and it says lawful-only alignments, is there some feat or trait to bypass that?

DM fiat and an homebrew trait. :P

Martial Artist doesn't work because it overlaps slightly with Tetori: I can't give up dimensional piercing grappling!

And Nessa, I'm not a Succubus either: I'm only an half one! Together, I'd say we make 5/6 of a full Succubus, but one must consider the advantages of a double package, so I suppose we can give Vixen a run for her money if we team up.


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Oh this' ll be good. Got my ring of deathward on, let's do he..I mean this!


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I volunteer to referee.

The Exchange

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CrimsonVixen wrote:
Also, I was looking at the monk class, and it says lawful-only alignments, is there some feat or trait to bypass that?

Alignment schmalignment... you're a succubus. I'm sure you can think or -some- way to convince the DM to ignore that. Or to just let you be lawful for a day (monk's don't lose abilities if they become non-lawful). Or to twist & abuse Enlightened Warrior trait somehow.

I know a few DMs that wouldn't shy away from a succubus trying to twist and abuse... just about anything given the right persuasion.


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Gohaken wrote:
I know a few DMs that wouldn't shy away from a succubus trying to twist and abuse... just about anything given the right persuasion.

I know a few DMs that are quite persuaded by a merciful shocking grasp wand, use rope, or non-lethal whip techniques.

Selena Halfblood wrote:
And Nessa, I'm not a Succubus either: I'm only an half one! Together, I'd say we make 5/6 of a full Succubus, but one must consider the advantages of a double package, so I suppose we can give Vixen a run for her money if we team up.
Nessa Meretrix wrote:
Oh this' ll be good. Got my ring of deathward on, let's do he..I mean this!

I'm not seeing a downside here...worse case scenario, I get to chill out for a bit back home recovering. Bring it.

Lathiira wrote:
I volunteer to referee.

We just need to find an arena, err, laboratory where the powers that be will not be upset with our research techniques.


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CrimsonVixen wrote:
Gohaken wrote:
I know a few DMs that wouldn't shy away from a succubus trying to twist and abuse... just about anything given the right persuasion.

I know a few DMs that are quite persuaded by a merciful shocking grasp wand, use rope, or non-lethal whip techniques.

Selena Halfblood wrote:
And Nessa, I'm not a Succubus either: I'm only an half one! Together, I'd say we make 5/6 of a full Succubus, but one must consider the advantages of a double package, so I suppose we can give Vixen a run for her money if we team up.
Nessa Meretrix wrote:
Oh this' ll be good. Got my ring of deathward on, let's do he..I mean this!

I'm not seeing a downside here...worse case scenario, I get to chill out for a bit back home recovering. Bring it.

Lathiira wrote:
I volunteer to referee.
We just need to find an arena, err, laboratory where the powers that be will not be upset with our research techniques.

You can use my place. I certainly won't be bothered.


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I used to go to this place in Pompeii that would have been perfect for your debauchery, .... err, experiments. Too bad the volcano had to ruin for most of us. Although being from the Abyss, the heat and gases might just give it a sense of spice for you ladies.

Oh, and I tried to find out what was changed about the succubus by the recent errata. Maybe I had too many levels drained last night (don't ask), but I didn't notice any changes to the succubus on the SRD, D20, or Nethys sites. The succubus is still her sinister, devious self. Would hate to see one of my favorite tools, err ...., monsters made less useful.


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The gases could get annoying, the heat however is nice and cozy, gets you all hot and sweaty. I tried as well, checking google. If the original poster of that comment could enlighten us.

I'm not familiar with how play-by-forum works around here. Any advice or tips would be nice.


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Who said we need a place for our research, didn't you know that exhibitionism increases the chance of tempting others into debauchery?


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Well, privacy should be a priority for the first expirement(s). Call this the alpha stage of testing. Not sure which of you ladies would be designated as Alpha; suggest you use rock, paper, and scissors to determine Alpha status, or just take turns.

After this stage comes the secondary testing stage -- confirmation of results. It's imperative to confirm that results can be repeated multiple times, so you ladies need to experiment frequently under differing conditions. Also, don't limit yourself to one position, err, location -- you need to confirm the results in different environments. Exhibiting your experiment in many places would cause a significant arousal of interest and inspire many others to attempt to replicate said experimentation. So take your experiment on tour, I'm sure the change of scenery would be interesting and contribute substantially to the success of your experiments.


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Well, the rock is a blunt improvised weapon, the scissors are slashing/piercing, but unless you can reliably get the paper to give paper-cuts, it is not very effective of a weapon.

As to places, I had a venue lined up before, and I am sure they would be willing to host a live event. Let me know if you would be interested. We could even have front row audience participation where you could get warm up grapples on, or cool down ones after the main event.

If you need any hard-to-get equipment, let me know, and I will see what I can find.

/cevah
Your friendly merchant.


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@Cevah Do you have any whips that have a merciful shocking enchant/ability on them? I'm not sure the event should be entirely live, I mean bloopers happen.

Right now, it's looking like a 2v2 grapple test? Me and Lathiira against Nessa and Selena? How's a typical adventuring dungeon sound? A neutral area we can control as many variables as possible.


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Tag-team action? Hm, I might need to rebuild for grappling. Or not. Fun either way.


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Give me a few days, and a suitable down payment, and I can get a certain mistress of magical pleasure to make one to order. Special leather, feathers, and other features readily available. She can also dye it to whatever color you like. She even has some magical dye that makes it look different colors to different people. She enjoys both creating such implements, as well as testing them out on her companion of the moment.

When you traffic in exotic items, you meet all kinds of people. Likewise, if you travel extensively. Being a merchant, I have traveled many places seeking all sorts of things, and I always keep an eye out for marketable things.

/cevah


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Cevah wrote:

Give me a few days, and a suitable down payment, and I can get a certain mistress of magical pleasure to make one to order. Special leather, feathers, and other features readily available. She can also dye it to whatever color you like. She even has some magical dye that makes it look different colors to different people. She enjoys both creating such implements, as well as testing them out on her companion of the moment.

When you traffic in exotic items, you meet all kinds of people. Likewise, if you travel extensively. Being a merchant, I have traveled many places seeking all sorts of things, and I always keep an eye out for marketable things.

/cevah

That sounds wonderful As for payment, perhaps you would be willing to accept a favor from me, a gift perhaps? It would come with a demonstration of the first round of testing, participant observation of course. Certainly a merchant of your experience understands the value of knowledge or wisdom?


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CrimsonVixen wrote:
That sounds wonderful As for payment, perhaps you would be willing to accept a favor from me, a gift perhaps? It would come with a demonstration of the first round of testing, participant observation of course. Certainly a merchant of your experience understands the value of knowledge or wisdom?

Will Save: 1d20 + 6 ⇒ (13) + 6 = 19 Oh no! Suggestion DC is 21!

Sounds like a wonderful idea. I am sure I can get you a discount.

/cevah


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You seem to have him wrapped around your finger mistress Crimson. Once he brings us stuff can I play with him?


Well then, should someone just move this to the role-playing forum?


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But... clearly, this thread rules, so it belongs here...

*salvation-by-pun*


Well, it *started* with a legitimate rules question, and then continued into extracurricular activities. I don't actually remember if the question was decisively answered, however.


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This question has come up before. This is sort of the off-topic, have a laugh among all the serious and often rage inducing rules questions. Additionally, this is also the place where rules interactions that we've all giggled about, that sometimes come up in a campaign and don't have clear answers about. I mean, what happens to a merchants prices when they are under a compulsion effect or profane gift from a PC? Or if a stilled silent merciful shocking grasp causes an initiative check or not.


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I take a few minutes to explain the effects of using magic to Bargain and how it is frowned upon. I also explain that having a friend in the business can also be very nice.
Cevah wants to be a friend: Influence Attitude*: 1d20 + 28 ⇒ (18) + 28 = 46. Friends don't play too rough.

Using Magic to Bargain wrote:
An unscrupulous character may use magic to charm or dupe buyers into accepting inflated prices. Something as simple as charm person can alter the Diplomacy and Sense Motive DCs by 5 in the spellcaster's favor for an entire negotiation, and a specific suggestion can alter the result on a single roll by 10 in the caster's favor. If the buyer later realizes that magic influenced the negotiation, she may refuse to deal with the spellcaster and attempt to get her money back, or at least report the spellcaster to the local authorities.

/cevah

*Skill = 5 (charisma) + 11 (ranks) + 3 (class) + 1 (trait) + 3 (familiar) + 5 (competence)
Pays to be a diplomancer at times.


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Cevah wrote:

Oh no! Suggestion DC is 21!

Sounds like a wonderful idea. I am sure I can get you a discount.

That's for one of my common sisters, not a majestic creature with class levels. You're aiming for a DC 26 Suggestion, and that's without armor. I mean where's the fun in tempting you when I'm wearing adventuring gear

46 on your attempt, versus a DC 27 (15+CHA modifer)

I think I could be quite helpful to you, access to new markets, new trade contacts. You're familiar with the phrase "You rub my back, I'll rub yours"?
Crimson wants to return the favor: Influence Attitude*: 1d20 + 35 ⇒ (10) + 35 = 45. My backrub can make you feel so much better.
*Skill = 12 (charisma) + 20 (ranks) + 3 (class) + 1 (trait[Charming]) + 4 (racial)

So a specific suggestion can add 10 to the check, but what about being able to telepathically communicate? And when can a free action be used? I mean say I wanted to take advantage of a mean nasty merchant and smack them with 2d6 Charisma drain before the deal is made to get a big boost to the check?


What, they FAQd the succubus? Oh well, maybe she likes the nerf bat.

Celibate people (people who abstain from sex for moral reasons) are a prime example of not sound mind.

There ought to be a Blown Kiss feat, that allows a succubus to kiss anyone within thirty feet.

Other than that, carry on.


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Nessa slides up behind Cevah and does her best to distract him during his attempted negotiations whispering lies in his ears.

bluff +4 cha and +4 beguiling liar: 1d20 + 8 ⇒ (16) + 8 = 24


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You should all check out the thread about modifying the Mount spell using Augment Calling and Heighten Spell...

Get a succubus summoned at x1200 duration.

:D

Use the spell Communal Mount and you are in for some SERIOUS debauchery.


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alexd1976 wrote:

You should all check out the thread about modifying the Mount spell using Augment Calling and Heighten Spell...

Get a succubus summoned at x1200 duration.

:D

Use the spell Communal Mount and you are in for some SERIOUS debauchery.

Maybe, if you're absolutely certain of the Succubi's cooperation in the matter. If not, well mounting a succubus is most certainly an Act of Passion, throw in Communal, it'll be the quickest and messiest TPK since the Cavern of Ooze.


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CrimsonVixen wrote:
Cevah wrote:

Oh no! Suggestion DC is 21!

Sounds like a wonderful idea. I am sure I can get you a discount.

That's for one of my common sisters, not a majestic creature with class levels. You're aiming for a DC 26 Suggestion, and that's without armor. I mean where's the fun in tempting you when I'm wearing adventuring gear

46 on your attempt, versus a DC 27 (15+CHA modifer)

I think I could be quite helpful to you, access to new markets, new trade contacts. You're familiar with the phrase "You rub my back, I'll rub yours"?
Crimson wants to return the favor: [Influence Attitude* 45]. My backrub can make you feel so much better.
*Skill = 12 (charisma) + 20 (ranks) + 3 (class) + 1 (trait[Charming]) + 4 (racial)

So a specific suggestion can add 10 to the check, but what about being able to telepathically communicate? And when can a free action be used? I mean say I wanted to take advantage of a mean nasty merchant and smack them with 2d6 Charisma drain before the deal is made to get a big boost to the check?

With influential results like this, we will soon become fast friends like Nale and Sabine.

PS: Your plus is 40, not 35, making the roll = 50

I think that the back rubbing would go down real well after the tag team session at Lathiira's place. I think some Healy-Myrrh or Dreamer's Star would help you rejuvenate quickly, and I can get some bath oils that would relax you while you get clean.

I plan to have some Ambrosia before arriving, just in case.

Nessa Meretrix wrote:

Nessa slides up behind Cevah and does her best to distract him during his attempted negotiations whispering lies in his ears.

[bluff 24]

Sense Motive: 1d20 + 17 ⇒ (1) + 17 = 18 ... distracted

Neesa Meretrix, please, we are in the public marketplace. We can't have you starting the grappling out here, especially with me. Didn't you hear the other ladies say they wanted a more intimate setting?

Selena Halfblood, could you assist me and explain to the young lady of the joys of patience?

Now, where were we CrimsonVixen?

/cevah


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Nessa Meretrix wrote:

Nessa slides up behind Cevah and does her best to distract him during his attempted negotiations whispering lies in his ears.

[bluff 24]

Sense Motive: 1d20 + 16 ⇒ (14) + 16 = 30

Cevah wrote:
Now, where were we CrimsonVixen?

I do believe she was trying to prevent me from giving you this lovely little profane gift of mine. ~Offers her hand to Cevah.~ So what do you say? Accept my gift?


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CrimsonVixen wrote:
Cevah wrote:
Now, where were we CrimsonVixen?
I do believe she was trying to prevent me from giving you this lovely little profane gift of mine. ~Offers her hand to Cevah.~ So what do you say? Accept my gift?

Oh my! Such generosity. I am afraid I must decline, as I don't know if you consider me one of those* merchants, especially since I had mentioned using a certain ring a while back. However, as a business partner, if we do well [and I think we would], in a year of getting to understand one another, I could see such as enabling business, as well as friendship.

It truely is a gift ... influence attitude: 1d20 + 28 ⇒ (11) + 28 = 39 but one a little too dangerous for me until I am more certain of her desire for my continued happiness. Being drained is not happy. As I am about half her level, it could be bad.

Until then, I think it best if we get used to eachother's ways when it comes to business. I will be happy to explain some of the tricks used on rubes, and how to maximize profits with the least risk. Making adventurers angry is a way to maximize risk, and I prefer to avoid such situations.

One of the ways I help my business it to have numerous Bards on the payroll. They are great about telling the wonderful stories of my merchandise, as well as informing me of where the market is heading. In fact, it was from them I learned of Nale and Sabine, so I think it could work for us. I also use them to spread tales to show how great a pirate merchant I am. While many know of me, I am able to be one-of-the-people by showing how great the shipmates I travel with are. My main goal is to have lots of plunder, and to run a large business empire. Is this something you would like to join? You have assets I cannot match, and are certainly gifted with your speech, I would welcome such a friend.

/cevah

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CrimsonVixen wrote:
So a specific suggestion can add 10 to the check, but what about being able to telepathically communicate? And when can a free action be used? I mean say I wanted to take advantage of a mean nasty merchant and smack them with 2d6 Charisma drain before the deal is made to get a big boost to the check?


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CrimsonVixen wrote:
alexd1976 wrote:

You should all check out the thread about modifying the Mount spell using Augment Calling and Heighten Spell...

Get a succubus summoned at x1200 duration.

:D

Use the spell Communal Mount and you are in for some SERIOUS debauchery.

Maybe, if you're absolutely certain of the Succubi's cooperation in the matter. If not, well mounting a succubus is most certainly an Act of Passion, throw in Communal, it'll be the quickest and messiest TPK since the Cavern of Ooze.

That's the beauty of summoning them magically... they have to do what you say, no questions asked.

In any case, since it is based off of using the Mount spell, I wonder if they keep the bit and bridle?


alexd1976 wrote:

You should all check out the thread about modifying the Mount spell using Augment Calling and Heighten Spell...

Get a succubus summoned at x1200 duration.


alexd1976 wrote:
In any case, since it is based off of using the Mount spell, I wonder if they keep the bit and bridle?

Yes.


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Cevah wrote:

...Until then, I think it best if we get used to eachother's ways when it comes to business. I will be happy to explain some of the tricks used on rubes, and how to maximize profits with the least risk. Making adventurers angry is a way to maximize risk, and I prefer to avoid such situations.

One of the ways I help my business it to have numerous Bards on the payroll. They are great about telling the wonderful stories of my merchandise, as well as informing me of where the market is heading. In fact, it was from them I learned of Nale and Sabine...You have assets I cannot match, and are certainly gifted with your speech, I would welcome such a friend.

I have always been ambitious, but I can be patient. I would be pleased to have a friend of your skill and fame. I hope I can aid your business ventures successfully.

Tacticslion wrote:
alexd1976 wrote:

That's the beauty of summoning them magically... they have to do what you say, no questions asked.

In any case, since it is based off of using the Mount spell, I wonder if they keep the bit and bridle?

Yes.

I looked that over and some other things, they would serve as a mount willing and well, beyond that is up for debate, and we are intelligent creatures with formidable wills and effective close-combat techniques. As for the bit and bridle, some of us already have them, though we're not usually the one wearing them.


Note that I carefully selected the part that I quoted (and said "Yes." to) and the part that I did not. :)


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CrimsonVixen wrote:
Cevah wrote:

...Until then, I think it best if we get used to eachother's ways when it comes to business. I will be happy to explain some of the tricks used on rubes, and how to maximize profits with the least risk. Making adventurers angry is a way to maximize risk, and I prefer to avoid such situations.

One of the ways I help my business it to have numerous Bards on the payroll. They are great about telling the wonderful stories of my merchandise, as well as informing me of where the market is heading. In fact, it was from them I learned of Nale and Sabine...You have assets I cannot match, and are certainly gifted with your speech, I would welcome such a friend.

I have always been ambitious, but I can be patient. I would be pleased to have a friend of your skill and fame. I hope I can aid your business ventures successfully.

I too have learned patience. Due to an unfortunate misstep I was trapped for nearly a hundred years. I did not age, but I was kind of awake. It changed me. I can now take the long view, and realize there is time for stuff. Still, the sooner I have economically taken over the world, the sooner I can relax and let wealth come to me. Having a friend to share that life with me sounds quite nice.

CrimsonVixen wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
alexd1976 wrote:

That's the beauty of summoning them magically... they have to do what you say, no questions asked.

In any case, since it is based off of using the Mount spell, I wonder if they keep the bit and bridle?

Yes.
I looked that over and some other things, they would serve as a mount willing and well, beyond that is up for debate, and we are intelligent creatures with formidable wills and effective close-combat techniques. As for the bit and bridle, some of us already have them, though we're not usually the one wearing them.

Why do I think you have a set of each color to match a corresponding outfit? Along with room decor to subtly enhance such things.

Anyway, I am sure I could get you additional sets of toys and cloths in whatever color you want. It would need careful measurement, as the tailors I know don't usually handle folk with such lovely wings.

/cevah


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The Order of the Rack is watching this thread and offering equipment if wanted


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There are plenty of people watching this thread and offering equipment. And concessions. And movie rights. And....


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And souls?


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GreenDragon1133 wrote:
And souls?

Well, there aren't any contract devils around, but succubi don't need such contrivances. As for my soul, well....

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