Dear Paizo, when did the Off Topic Section become the Political Section?


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Enough said.

Scarab Sages

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But...but....gaming and politics go together like....Well, f%!!! Nothing I can think of.

Silver Crusade

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We need to throw religion in as well, stir regularly and let it simmer for 30 minutes to an hour. Voila!


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Agreed. I've pretty much been avoiding the off-topic forums for awhile now, as I get enough politics crap from my uncle. In fact, I recently set up a filter to automatically trash emails from him. He got that annoying with all the unfounded and 99% blatantly false political crap.

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Aberzombie wrote:
But...but....gaming and politics go together like....Well, f@*@! Nothing I can think of.

I love politics and intrigue in my games. A lot of the political debates IRL these days are a lot like the cola wars, people are fiercely loyal to brands they can't tell apart in a bind taste test. For the most part arguing is a pointless exercise. Then again I do like a good argument. I'll take the full course . . .


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Newsflash: Don't want to read it? Don't click on the link. Quite a simple and ingenious solution really.
Enough said.


I like discussing politics with my fellow gamers.

Most political forums tend to be one kind of flavor: chocolate or vanilla. With gamers you get a cross section of different views that's chock full o nuts.

Gamers are usually intelligent, well informed, and tech savy. They can look stuff up to back their opinions.

Geeks have some pretty narrow interests that they've researched or run into sometimes. If i want to know about pro litariate socialist revolution or antidisestablishmentarianism i can try to muddle through a rather bland wiki page.. or i can ASK our resident communist goblin.

If you try to describe something as the conflict between law and good or chaos and good most people look at you funny. Gaming alignment discussions allow for a lot of shorthand

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GentleGiant wrote:

Newsflash: Don't want to read it? Don't click on the link. Quite a simple and ingenious solution really.

Enough said.

That's not the root of the problem, the problem is how quickly, and often time inappropriately, things degenerate by someone throwing politics in where it doesn't belong.

Many of the posters here are indeed very intelligent, reasonable people. Unfortunately just as many are sanctimonious t@@#s who want to crow on and on about how anyone who has a differing opinion is an idiot. These are the ones who really need to stop acting like they hold the only right to the OTD.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:

I like discussing politics with my fellow gamers.

Most political forums tend to be one kind of flavor: chocolate or vanilla. With gamers you get a cross section of different views that's chock full o nuts.

Gamers are usually intelligent, well informed, and tech savy. They can look stuff up to back their opinions.

Geeks have some pretty narrow interests that they've researched or run into sometimes. If i want to know about pro litariate socialist revolution or antidisestablishmentarianism i can try to muddle through a rather bland wiki page.. or i can ASK our resident communist goblin.

If you try to describe something as the conflict between law and good or chaos and good most people look at you funny. Gaming alignment discussions allow for a lot of shorthand

I agree on most of that, but more people need to understand that as people live they all have different life experiences, different events that shape them into the man or woman they turn into. Rather than stand on a soapbox and scream "You're all fools, we are right!" sit back and actually discuss. Learn, it's hard to do when you think you know everything already.


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Since calling for bans seems to be all the rage, let me call for a ban on politics in this forum. They serve no point on a gaming site. Some folks don't even talk gaming, all they do is polititroll. So, ban it all. Take it elsewhere. There's a million places on the web to go beat your particular dead horse. Why s$&@ on a site that is supposedly dedicated to a fun pastime?


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this game of ours is an intellectual one. it's also a forum on the internet. when you put those things together, politics are probably going to come up sooner or later. it happens. don't like politics? don't click on it. banning the subject is a seductive idea, however, people will always find something to be ugly about, and its going to be brought up again. And again. And again. We have more options on this site than any other I have seen to Ignore or avoid threads we do not wish to see without making things personal. make regular use of them. they will help. but perhaps the thing that will help most of all is knowing oneself. know that something is going to rile you? avoid it. this is the internet. no-one has, to the best of my knowledge, thevability to reach through the internet and crush the skulls of those with whom they disagree. until that dark day arrives, one is truly not going to get anything from arguing on the internet. it is far better to agree to disagree.


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Yep. You are right. The whole subforum is riling me, so I will triangle it up again. I hate to lose out on several of my threads here, but it is what it is.


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Patrick Curtin wrote:
Yep. You are right. The whole subforum is riling me, so I will triangle it up again. I hate to lose out on several of my threads here, but it is what it is.

Patrick, you do know you can save the url for whatever thread you like as a bookmark, right? how are you surfing the internet? some browsers make this more difficult than others.


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Well, in theory, of course, I'm one of the biggest fans of politrolling on here. I might have even made up the word, I don't remember. Probably not.

In practice, I'd like to take this opportunity to announce that I am taking a sabbatical from the OTD. I'd take a break from Paizo in general, but I've got too much invested in WPZO and the Books Thread and my PbP with Comrade "I love talking about politics on the internet" Curtin. Yeah, that's right, how's that for irony?

Anyway, I'm not taking a break because of the acrimony. Believe me, I've been a commie since I was 15, I'm used to people calling me names. No, I'm taking a break because of this post here.

Now, if you click on the first link, it goes to an article that has nothing to do with the topic. But, then, if you go to the second link, it's the same as the first.

Obviously, I made a mistake, and posted the same link twice, but, and here's the thing: that post was over a week ago and nobody said anything! Right in the middle of a conversation between Comrade Knife and Comrade Jeff, both of whom I am very fond of, and nobody can even bother to say, "Hey Anklebiter, you f@~!ed up"?!?

Which leads me to conclude that nobody's even bothering to read my shiznit anymore. :(

So, what I decided to do was to go away for a while and, you know, maybe meet a woman or something. My thinking is that after I disappear, people who have long been bored to tears by me will think that it's safe to go back in the Politroll Threads and they'll be happily frolicking about and talking about how much Obama is a nice guy and then, one day, BAM!! when everybody's forgotten who I am I'll make a reappearance and call all of you stooges of the plutocracy!

But for my few fans, don't worry. Rest assured that even if I am not trolling for revolutionary socialism here, I'll still be around. I'll be all around in the dark - I'll be everywhere. Wherever you can look - wherever there's a fight, so hungry people can eat, I'll be there. Wherever there's a cop beatin' up a guy, I'll be there. I'll be there in the way guys yell when they're mad. I'll be there in the way kids laugh when they're hungry and they know supper's ready, and when people are eatin' the stuff they raise and livin' in the houses they built - I'll be there, too.

Vive le Galt!


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One more Musical Interlude before I go.

Peace out, biznitches!


Sharoth wrote:
Enough said.

Cause...

<looks around wondering if its a trick question>

...the people here fashion posts to that effect?

<wonders why the question is being directed to Paizo rather than the people that actually "pen" the posts>

What's really confusing is why people are surprised that people post what they are interested in (as opposed to what might be expected) in a public forum : )

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Moorluck wrote:
GentleGiant wrote:

Newsflash: Don't want to read it? Don't click on the link. Quite a simple and ingenious solution really.

Enough said.

That's not the root of the problem, the problem is how quickly, and often time inappropriately, things degenerate by someone throwing politics in where it doesn't belong.

That's the whole point of having an "Off Topics" Forum. It's for the stuff that doesn't belong anywhere else. You don't have to venture in it, you don't have to read anything from it. So you don't need to rain on someone else's parade.

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Then start a damn thread for the politics, then everybody can be happy. And the whole "if you don't like the politics, then you can leave the thread" gets a little asinine when threads are hijacked mid way.

All I've ever asked is for people to act like reasonable human beings, actually listen to one another, as opposed to talking down to others like somehow they are mentally inferior because they don't agree.

But online that's asking alot, far to many people feel the freedom to act like asshats, safe in the knowledge that their teeth won't get knocked out.

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LazarX wrote:
Moorluck wrote:
GentleGiant wrote:

Newsflash: Don't want to read it? Don't click on the link. Quite a simple and ingenious solution really.

Enough said.

That's not the root of the problem, the problem is how quickly, and often time inappropriately, things degenerate by someone throwing politics in where it doesn't belong.

So you don't need to rain on someone else's parade.

No, only the trolls who shanghai a thread with politics or religion have that right.

Shadow Lodge

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I just want the old OTD back. With lots of fun silly threads full of wacky aliases and goofy shenanigans.

Sadly that will never happen since the overwhelming influx of political posts to the section have chased off many of the fun posters who used to hang out in OTD, and due to closing up the forum to avoid that stuff as the defenders have so eloquently stated they should do are now oblivious to what few good things still go on in this area, and will thusly never return.

Several of these people, such as Patrick as the most visible recent example, have blamed the change in behavior and friendliness of most people in the OTD forum for the reason for their departure, with the main change between then and now being the proliferation of the politroll threads. Maybe I'm just waxing nostalgic, but I recall from back in 2007-8 when I first joined up here that there were only two or three politics/religions threads going back and forth (and pretty hotly heated they were), but it was strictly limited to those threads, and the rest of OTD was a hotbed for silly fun. That's completely reversed now.


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Aberzombie wrote:
But...but....gaming and politics go together like....Well, f!&$! Nothing I can think of.

Choose one of the following:

(a) Pigs and swimming.
(b) Easter mornin' and Lyme disease.
(c) Suits of armor and electrical storms.
(d) Skateboardin' and freeway ramps.
(e) Tuna fish and cigarettes.
(f) Campin' trips and head lice.
(g) Square dancin' and hand guns.
(h) Cocaine and waffles.


Moorluck wrote:
Then start a damn thread for the politics, then everybody can be happy.

How about don't click on links to political threads?

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And the whole "if you don't like the politics, then you can leave the thread" gets a little asinine when threads are hijacked mid way.

Why do you care? Just scroll past the political posts and say whatever you want to say.

Unless you can't.

Unless you can't stand seeing political posts for some reason. In which case, this is clearly a problem with you that you're trying to solve by changing what everyone else does. Does that sound like a responsible or mature response? There are a lot of mature and worthwhile political discussions happening here, but you'd prefer to shut them down because you don't like seeing them?

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All I've ever asked is for people to act like reasonable human beings, actually listen to one another, as opposed to talking down to others like somehow they are mentally inferior because they don't agree.

Everyone is listening to everyone else, to varying degrees. That doesn't mean that everyone's opinion should be treated with equal respect, or that they should be celebrated just for having an opinion, no matter how misguided.

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Actually Scott, I don't go into political threads. But I do find your insistence upon acting superior to anyone else rather droll. But You're a kid, I hope that with age you might find some level of maturity, or at least manage to get your head out of your ass long enough to see that you don't have all the answers. But you'd have to actually listen to where other people were coming from to do that.

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The funniest thing about it is Scott, I would love to have a rational discussion about Gun Laws, I truly would. But I stand by what I said, this tragedy is not a soapbox. As a father of three kids I can tell you from my perspective that if anyone started using my child's death as a talking point, before we even had time for a funeral, I would do everything my power to tear them apart. Let people's grief set in, then sit down and have a rational discussion on how to prevent things like this from happening again.


Moorluck wrote:
The funniest thing about it is Scott, I would love to have a rational discussion about Gun Laws, I truly would. But I stand by what I said, this tragedy is not a soapbox. As a father of three kids I can tell you from my perspective that if anyone started using my child's death as a talking point, before we even had time for a funeral, I would do everything my power to tear them apart. Let people's grief set in, then sit down and have a rational discussion on how to prevent things like this from happening again.

By the time the "grief sets in" there will be another tragedy for anti-gun-control people to say, "How dare you!" about. We're on our eighth mass shooting of the year. When will it be the right time, Moorluck? How many more mass shootings will you be okay with letting slip by before we manage to get a window of peace wide enough to actually talk about gun control?

The time is right now. There is never going to be a better time. Just like the time should have been months, or years ago, before we had another class full of dead children on our national conscience.

Shadow Lodge

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Welp, time to hide this thread.

Though really, it was only a matter of time. Flies to vinegar, after all.


Moorluck wrote:
Actually Scott, I don't go into political threads.

So then it doesn't affect you in any way at all, and you just want to shut down something that other people enjoy talking about?

Awesome.

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But I do find your insistence upon acting superior to anyone else rather droll. But You're a kid, I hope that with age you might find some level of maturity, or at least manage to get your head out of your ass long enough to see that you don't have all the answers. But you'd have to actually listen to where other people were coming from to do that.

Did you literally just imply that I'm condescending halfway through a paragraph of nothing but condescending comments? Did that just happen?

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Scott Betts wrote:
Moorluck wrote:
The funniest thing about it is Scott, I would love to have a rational discussion about Gun Laws, I truly would. But I stand by what I said, this tragedy is not a soapbox. As a father of three kids I can tell you from my perspective that if anyone started using my child's death as a talking point, before we even had time for a funeral, I would do everything my power to tear them apart. Let people's grief set in, then sit down and have a rational discussion on how to prevent things like this from happening again.

By the time the "grief sets in" there will be another tragedy for anti-gun-control people to say, "How dare you!" about. We're on our eighth mass shooting of the year. When will it be the right time, Moorluck? How many more mass shootings will you be okay with letting slip by before we manage to get a window of peace wide enough to actually talk about gun control?

The time is right now. There is never going to be a better time. Just like the time should have been months, or years ago, before we had another class full of dead children on our national conscience.

Whatever Scott, how about you get your head out of your ass and realize you're not the hot s##% know it all you think you are. I'm done with you, you don't listen to a damn thing anyone says, you think you're always right. If you were half as smart as you think you are you may even manage a decent human being some day.

EDIT: I will add one more thing kid, I do wonder if you would be different in RL? Something tells me you wouldn't be nearly as bold as you are on line. Call it a hunch


Moorluck wrote:
Whatever Scott, how about you get your head out of your ass and realize you're not the hot s@#* know it all you think you are. I'm done with you, you don't listen to a damn thing anyone says, you think you're always right. If you were half as smart as you think you are you may even manage a decent human being some day.

Welcome to the internet: Where calling someone a "hot s@#* know it all" with his head up his ass is an acceptable alternative to reasoned argument.

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EDIT: I will add one more thing kid, I do wonder if you would be different in RL? Something tells me you wouldn't be nearly as bold as you are on line. Call it a hunch

I'd offer to buy you a beer so you could find out, but frankly I'm concerned that you're a little too free with your personal attacks to make it worthwhile. If you promised to be civil, maybe! Who knows!

Project Manager

Guys, please keep it civil. As I said in the school shooting thread, you can argue against a point of view without attacking the person who articulated it.

Paizo Employee PostMonster General

I don't think we need another grar-fest with direct sniping at other members of the community.

We do not yet have a "no politics and no religion" rule but a) we won't do it just because some people try to get threads they don't like locked, and b) please use the "hide thread" widget if you don't want to see a thread.

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