I need help figuring out class archetypes!


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Hello friends,

I understand that as I advance a character, I can mix-and-match whatever archetype elements I want so long as they are not mutually exclusive; so, for example, if Archetype A were to replace a fighter's Bravery and Archetype B were to replace his Armor Training, then I could pick both the ability from Archetype A at 2nd-level and the ability from Archetype B from 3rd-level, and everything would be fine. It is with this understanding that I take issue and need to have some questions answered!

I am looking at making a Ranger. Both the Guide and the Urban Ranger archetypes appeal to me. In order to get the Ranger's Focus class feature from the Guide, I remove the favored enemy class feature at 1st-level. In order to get the Urban Ranger's Urban Ranger class feature, it also specifies 1st-level for those changes to class skills without really losing anything. Does this mean that if ever I take the Urban Ranger class archetype that my class skills are changed? Is it something I can just choose to have or to avoid?


Also out of curiosity I am looking at the other Ranger archetypes. What would happen if I were to pick Wild Stalker, use the Strong Senses at 1st-level, and then just not take the Rage Powers? I'd be looking at just taking on a new favored enemy at 5th-level, right?

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You pick your archetypes at level 1. As far as I am aware, you cannot pick them after that point.

Therefore, if you're a normal Fighter at level 1, you cannot suddenly decide upon taking an archetype that replaces Bravery at level 2, because you are already a straight Fighter.

The only exception I have ever seen for this is for characters that were made prior to archetypes being introduced, and that's more a DM fiat thing than anything else.


Flashblade wrote:
Also out of curiosity I am looking at the other Ranger archetypes. What would happen if I were to pick Wild Stalker, use the Strong Senses at 1st-level, and then just not take the Rage Powers? I'd be looking at just taking on a new favored enemy at 5th-level, right?

No. Once you take Wild Stalker, you are that Archetype for your complete build. You may NOT choose Wild Stalker at 1st thru 4th level, then abandon it at 5th level.

Now, you may be multiple Archetypes if the class features they give up do not overlap. Therefore, in your first post, you could be both an Urban and Guide Ranger, since what they give up do not overlap. Also, you have the Urban Ranger class skill set for your complete build.

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Seranov wrote:

You pick your archetypes at level 1. As far as I am aware, you cannot pick them after that point.

Therefore, if you're a normal Fighter at level 1, you cannot suddenly decide upon taking an archetype that replaces Bravery at level 2, because you are already a straight Fighter.

The only exception I have ever seen for this is for characters that were made prior to archetypes being introduced, and that's more a DM fiat thing than anything else.

I get that you do your planning at 1st-level, which is what I am trying to do; but, my understanding is that archetypes can stack if they do not both change the same class ability, or you can mix-and-match which abilities you want from them. Given that, can an element of an archetype be picked up that doesn't occur at a specific level? As mentioned, the Urban Ranger's "Urban Ranger" class feature doesn't replace anything at a specified level, it just happens. So could one be a Guide and an Urban Ranger at the same time, and get both Ranger's Focus and Urban Ranger?


Flashblade wrote:
Seranov wrote:

You pick your archetypes at level 1. As far as I am aware, you cannot pick them after that point.

Therefore, if you're a normal Fighter at level 1, you cannot suddenly decide upon taking an archetype that replaces Bravery at level 2, because you are already a straight Fighter.

The only exception I have ever seen for this is for characters that were made prior to archetypes being introduced, and that's more a DM fiat thing than anything else.

I get that you do your planning at 1st-level, which is what I am trying to do; but, my understanding is that archetypes can stack if they do not both change the same class ability, or you can mix-and-match which abilities you want from them. Given that, can an element of an archetype be picked up that doesn't occur at a specific level? As mentioned, the Urban Ranger's "Urban Ranger" class feature doesn't replace anything at a specified level, it just happens. So could one be a Guide and an Urban Ranger at the same time, and get both Ranger's Focus and Urban Ranger?

Thanks for this reply!


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Yes, you can be both a Ranger (Guide) and a Ranger (Urban Ranger) at the same time because NONE of the abilities replace any of the same abilities. However if any of the archetypes replace the same core abilities then they can not overlap.


You can not mix-and-match archetype abilities. Archetypes come as packages (unless the archetype specifically states that is an exception to this, like the Qinggong monk).


Thanks again guys!

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