Pathfinder Society Campaign Coordinator
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For those interested in Pathfinder Online MMO, we've just announced a boon that can be obtained at the $5 level.
You can check it out HERE.
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Pathfinder Society Campaign Coordinator
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Do we have to pledge that seperately? or do all pledgers above $5 get that as well?
From comments section of Kickstarter:
Creator Goblinworks Inc. about 1 hour ago
@Brent Gass - Yes, everyone who backs the project @$5 or more gets the Pathfinder Society reward!
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GMs, let's discuss how we can prevent this boon from breaking our dwindling control over PFS players. Ideas:
- Will save to disbelieve?
- Media blackout?
- Taunt Anonymous to target Kickstarter for the next 33 days?
- Boxed text death for any PC who uses the boon?
- Spread rumor autism is linked to boon usage?
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Feral, how is this NOT enough info?:
When used at an official Pathfinder Society game table, drinking the elixir grants your hero the advanced simple template for the duration of the scenario. Alternately, the elixir can be spiked with experimental agents to trigger a beneficial permanent mutation randomly determined on a huge chart included on the certificate. If more than one player activates an emerald elixir at the same table, all drinkers can choose their preferred mutation from the list rather than roll randomly.
I just hope that there's a way to prevent these boons from being copied and used multiple times by the same player.
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When used at an official Pathfinder Society game table...
So now Paizo is selling gaming furniture? Did I miss a store blog? Do we get a reroll if we used an official Pathfinder Society table in our games? Do I have to wear the table or can I just keep it in my backpack until I need it?
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LOL, I'm aware of that.
I'm already leery of getting involved in this kickstarter. If this was intended as a maneuver to get a bit of a boost from the PFS crowd, I need more information.
It's just $5 but if I gave $5 to every person on the internet that claimed they had some awesome project that needed funding, I wouldn't be able to pay my mortgage.
Owner - Enchanted Grounds, President/Owner - Enchanted Grounds
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When used at an official Pathfinder Society game table, drinking the elixir grants your hero the advanced simple template for the duration of the scenario. Alternately, the elixir can be spiked with experimental agents to trigger a beneficial permanent mutation randomly determined on a huge chart included on the certificate. If more than one player activates an emerald elixir at the same table, all drinkers can choose their preferred mutation from the list rather than roll randomly.I just hope that there's a way to prevent these boons from being copied and used multiple times by the same player.
Easiest way is to hope that the Kickstarter doesn't actually happen.
I'm sorry, Paizo, but in this you do not get my support. With a successful initial Kickstarter, a good business plan, and a realistic goal, you should have more than easily been able to secure traditional financing for this project. Using Kickstarter to try to gain another $1,000,000 (man that's a lot of zeroes) is just doing an end-around on established financial systems by attempting to avoid interest payments that all other business ventures have to deal with. Moreover, it is doing a disservice to your fans by telling them that the first go around wasn't good enough.
I'm unimpressed. And putting a dollar value on a boon is disturbing, considering the stance you've taken on people selling their convention boons.
Boo.
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The boon will be a one-time (fairly significant) power boost that lasts one scenario (or Module or AP volume or whatever) that will not be something PCs can get access to any other way. Alternatively, PCs can use the boon to receive a randomly determined permanent beneficial effect. The more of the boon used at a table at the same time, however, the more control the PCs will have over the random effect, to the maximum benefit of being able to select the bonus of their choice if all 6 players at a table use the boon at the same time.
I can't give more information than that at this time, because it's not something we've put creative energy into. The design will happen after the Kickstarter project funds. Instead of discussing what the boon is, isn't, could be, or should be, we're trying to focus on getting the word out and inspiring as many campaign participants—both players and GMs alike—to pitch in at even the lowest level to help make it a reality. So even if you aren't swayed by the potential boon you'd receive as a backer, please spread the word and encourage your friends and fellow gamers to participate. This only works if we get lots of people involved.
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GET OFF MY LAWN!
More seriously I'm with Drogon on this. Everything he said.
The advanced template? Seriously? Coming from a position of "we don't condone the sellin of race boons on eBay" to "give us $5 for literally nothing more than a boon chronicle" is... disheartening. I'm disappointed in you, purple golem.
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Owner - Enchanted Grounds, President/Owner - Enchanted Grounds
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ok guys take a step back...Relax hombres!
Relax? From what? I'm certainly not worked up. I'm just sad to see them stoop to this level in an effort to get free funding on something they could easily have gotten bank funding for. Kickstarter is its own problem, and has funded a lot of bad business people to put into motion a lot of poorly run businesses. Seeing good business people with a good business go this route is...off. And I will vocalize that disappointment. Sorry.
Ultimately, this will have no impact on what I do with Paizo, or whether I play their game. Doesn't mean I'm not going to say what I have to say when they act poorly.
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Please don't do this, Paizo. The t-shirt rerolls are about as pay-to-win as I can handle, and at least there was a side-point of advertising the campaign there. That's an incentive I can understand. Or at least there was a side-point, back when the rerolls were for shirts only. Thank goodness the rerolls aren't stackable.
But paying for a boon? Please don't. Rerolls for Folios are bad enough. Boons for Kickstarting is just too far.
-Matt
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Owner - Enchanted Grounds, President/Owner - Enchanted Grounds
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I'm sorry, Paizo, but in this you do not get my support. With a successful initial Kickstarter, a good business plan, and a realistic goal, you should have more than easily been able to secure traditional financing for this project. Using Kickstarter to try to gain another $1,000,000 (man that's a lot of zeroes) is just doing an end-around on established financial systems by attempting to avoid interest payments that all other business ventures have to deal with. Moreover, it is doing a disservice to your fans by telling them that the first go around wasn't good enough.
There are two important things here.
1. You don't know how kickstarter really works
2. You don't know how much it costs to make things
I wouldn't be too worried though, most people don't know this these
Oh? Enlighten me, please, so that I will not hold this against other companies. Seriously.
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Pathfinder Society Campaign Coordinator
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If we pay the $100 along with the $5, do we still get the PDFs as well as the hard copy of the dungeon? Or do we need to pledge at $15, and get the $100 add-on?
That's a question to ask on the comments of the KS or the GW forums below. GW is running it and I would rather not speak for them.
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If we pay the $100 along with the $5, do we still get the PDFs as well as the hard copy of the dungeon? Or do we need to pledge at $15, and get the $100 add-on?
You do, the question has already been answered by the kickstarter, before you asked actually.
Will I get PDF versions of the contents of the RPG Print Pack Add On?
Yes! Everyone who purchases the Add On will also get PDF versions of the printed content!
Last updated: Wednesday Dec 12, 1:27pm EST
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There's so much meh involved with this Kickstarter I wonder if that's negatively impacting my view of this boon sale, and that it's less objectionable than I imagine.
*me tries to separate the two*
Advanced template for one adventure for $5. Annoying but meh.
Some random boon (random or you can get some other suckers at the same time to choose)
I see 3 possibilities and I imagine the boons will be a mixture of the 3:
1: cool flavor with no in game effect (You're related to some influential Golarion figure). I'm okay with this.
2: super narrow +1 to climb while underwater in Galt. Yuck.
3: An actual bonus that's worth something like an extra trait. I object to this being sold by Paizo for $.
If you have to roll with a chance from multiple categories, super meh :(
it's not something we've put creative energy into.
Is the problem, I can't yet tell if I should be mildly annoyed or more seriously concerned with the direction of PFS.
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it's not something we've put creative energy into.Is the problem, I can't yet tell if I should be mildly annoyed or more seriously concerned with the direction of PFS.
Please don't take that line out of context. We know how the boon will work but we have not yet designed the list of possible mutations. When the Kickstarter campaign reaches its goal we will devote the same attention and care to it we do everything else, if not more, to ensure that it is neither unbalancing nor lame. We want to make sure that backers who are motivated to do so because of the boon don't feel let down, but also need to do the responsible thing for the campaign and not make every PC who gets the boon to have a mechanical advantage over other PCs whose players didn't choose to back the project or know about it.
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Owner - Enchanted Grounds, President/Owner - Enchanted Grounds
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it's not something we've put creative energy into.Is the problem, I can't yet tell if I should be mildly annoyed or more seriously concerned with the direction of PFS.
Hm. I don't think this reflects on the direction of PFS, at all. This is all about the Goblinworks Kickstarter and the money they want to raise. PFS has a ton of reach, and the people in charge know that. By putting out a $5 enticement and asking the 450,000 PFS players if they might want a piece, they are potentially taking this Kickstarter from a "bust" to a "definite." The people who run Paizo aren't stupid; they know that even a fifth of those people saying "sure" to a $5 cost saves this Kickstarter.
That is all this is. PFS as an organized play system will be dictated as it always has been, I think: as a table top RPG experience.
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Chief Technical Officer
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Assuming that this signals the start of a flood of selling PFS boons is very much an overreaction. Offering this boon was very much a considered decision, which, I'll note, works both ways: Sure, it draws more PFS attention to the Kickstarter, but it *also* draws the attention of Kickstarter backers to PFS. It does not herald major changes to PFS; it is what it is.
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I need to echo my support for everyone who has said 'no boons for money' in this thread.
I think the Paizo staff in general totally agree, but the Pathfinder MMO constitutes as 'special circumstances'. The team behind the MMO seem to have tight, tight links with the Paizo staff, and when they say 'We want a boon attached to our Kickstarter' the Paizo staff aren't in a position to say no.
I don't think it'll be a regular occurrence, unless, you know, there's a THIRD Pathfinder MMO kickstarter, which might happen.
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Publisher, Chief Creative Officer
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Folks need not fear an onslaught of for-sale boons. This is an unusual event to spread the word about an important new Paizo project. In the same way we're pleased to reward players who come to a convention, we're pleased to reward folks who show their support to this effort. And as Vic has said, this is a good opportunity to bring new folks to Pathfinder Society, as well.
All that said, it's not the beginning of a trend, or a glimpse at an interconnected nefarious plot, or anything like that. It's a cool way to say "thanks" to folks who are helping us out by supporting something important to our company.
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The funding for the Kickstarter is used to move up the timetable for the release of the game. Not to fund the entire game sans traditional funding. $1,000,000 is not a huge amount in game development. Especially when you factor in Kickstarter costs, and fulfilling pledges.
If the boon, or the Megadungeon, or the flip-mats don't interest you then fine. No problem, don't pay.
If on the other hand those things interest you then your objection to the video game is irrelevant, you get access to awesome tabletop accessories.
I have no interest in attending conventions. People who go to conventions get exclusive boons for going. Conventions cost money. That money bought you a boon.
I've supported a few kickstarters and have no regrets about helping people and businesses achieve their ambitions and avoid either investor interference or interest rates in return for product or influence over the direction the product takes.
Finally the MMO market needs more cross over with the tabletop market. This is an opportunity to expose PFS to a whole new audience. That's pretty nifty.
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I have no interest in attending conventions. People who go to conventions get exclusive boons for going. Conventions cost money. That money bought you a boon.
So very true. And the bigger cons pretty much get the cooler boons.
That's just as much cash for boons as this is, I don't get why the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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Venture-Lieutenant, West Virginia—Charleston
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I find this severely disappointing. I have went from simply ignoring PFO to actively hoping that this kickstarter fails.
This is unfair to your loyal players and is, frankly, disheartening. As I see it, if the boon is terrible, you have enticed people with scant information to pay for an unknown boon that turned out to be worthless. If it's amazing, then you have sold power to players and will either contribute to the power creep that so many players hate or engender animosity to the improved character from the others at the table.
Either way, it's not a good thing.
It has, however, presented the first cogent argument as to why, as a GM, I might want to root for a character's permanent death. Kudos for that, I guess.
