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Venture-Lieutenant, Canada—New Brunswick aka Lyarie

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I just recieved a Paizo t-shirt as a birthday gift, but they only come in boy styles so it's not very comfy for a girl and generally makes me feel like I'm choking. I am considering cutting up the shirt and sewing the image of the goblin onto a more girl-friendly shirt.

As most of you probably know, a Paizo t-shirt allows a player a once per session reroll. If I use the full image from the t-shirt, it's not like someone else could use the open-chest remainder of the t-shirt to get a free reroll. I could even remove the tag from the original shirt and sew it to the new one just in case.

So the question is: Would I still get my free reroll if I dismembered the shirt?


Heh, nice question... you might want to re-title it to something that'll get more official attention, like "Paizo Shirt Reroll" or somesuch.

Venture-Lieutenant, Canada—New Brunswick aka Lyarie

Oladon wrote:
Heh, nice question... you might want to re-title it to something that'll get more official attention, like "Paizo Shirt Reroll" or somesuch.

Good plan.


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they only come in boy styles?!

interesting insight into who paizo thinks are playing their games eh?

faq'd for ya :)


Someone with good sewing skills should be able to take the current one and re cut and sew it to something more to your liking, if there is enough spare cloth (always order a size or two to big when you suspect you'll want to do this)

Venture-Lieutenant, Canada—New Brunswick aka Lyarie

LovesTha wrote:
Someone with good sewing skills should be able to take the current one and re cut and sew it to something more to your liking, if there is enough spare cloth (always order a size or two to big when you suspect you'll want to do this)

It was bought for me so I didn't get any size or style imput. I don't know anyone who would be both willing and able to change the shirt. Also, baby-doll t-shirts (the most common generic girl style t-shirts) are usually specially shaped for the female figure. It would be hard to modify the shirt while keeping it intact without a base to work off. Hence, the best way to 'fix' the shirt would be to cut the logo off and sew it to another shirt.

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Have you tried trading it to another player for a Character Folio? No cutting required, you still get your re-roll, and someone else gets what amounts to a "discount" on a shirt. Win-win! :)


you don't have to wear the shirt to get the reroll, just bring it with you and show it when you want to reroll.

that will allow you to wear the chainmail bikini that all female gamers wear.

they do wear that, right?

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asthyril wrote:

you don't have to wear the shirt to get the reroll, just bring it with you and show it when you want to reroll.

that will allow you to wear the chainmail bikini that all female gamers wear.

they do wear that, right?

While many of us don't necessarily require the wearing of said shirt, there are many GM's who require it to be worn. FYI.

Scarab Sages

Not many females at my PFS tables lately. We have a life size cardboard Princess Leia in her slave girl costume as a stand in.

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Andrew Christian wrote:
asthyril wrote:

you don't have to wear the shirt to get the reroll, just bring it with you and show it when you want to reroll.

that will allow you to wear the chainmail bikini that all female gamers wear.

they do wear that, right?

While many of us don't necessarily require the wearing of said shirt, there are many GM's who require it to be worn. FYI.

Hopefully if such a GM says that, and the player's reply is "it's really uncomfortable" or "it's too small / doesn't fit", they'll relent under the "don't be a jerk" rule.

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So a girl gamer starts a thread, and before the 10th post there are two references to metallic bikinis. Could we please grow up and show some respect?


one thing i've done ... cause AMEN SISTER POWER TO THE GIRLS gamer shirts are sooooooo not made for girls ... lightly stretch the neck of the shirt ... just enough to loosen some of the threads but not to completely break them (it's a fine fine touch i'm telling ya) I've found this to work nicely when wearing boy shirts


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Jiggy wrote:
So a girl gamer starts a thread, and before the 10th post there are two references to metallic bikinis. Could we please grow up and show some respect?

dang it .. no one does this when i start threads

goes in the corner and pouts just a little

5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Georgia—Atlanta aka Yiroep

Player: "I'm going to use my shirt reroll." *Shows shirt*

GM: "Nope you can't do that, you must wear it."

Player: "Well, it's really uncomfortable, and I did bring it..."

GM: "Nope, you must wear it. It's in the rules. LOOK EM UP NOOB! PFS is always rules as written. You've got to put it on if you want that reroll."

Hopefully no GM will ever resort to such childish behavior...


Yiroep wrote:

Player: "I'm going to use my shirt reroll." *Shows shirt*

GM: "Nope you can't do that, you must wear it."

Player: "Well, it's really uncomfortable, and I did bring it..."

GM: "Nope, you must wear it. It's in the rules. LOOK EM UP NOOB! PFS is always rules as written. You've got to put it on if you want that reroll."

Hopefully no GM will ever resort to such childish behavior...

O_O

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Purple Fluffy CatBunnyGnome wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
So a girl gamer starts a thread, and before the 10th post there are two references to metallic bikinis. Could we please grow up and show some respect?

dang it .. no one does this when i start threads

goes in the corner and pouts just a little

That's because when you start threads, you're usually the first one to post awkward comments. :/


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Jiggy wrote:
Purple Fluffy CatBunnyGnome wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
So a girl gamer starts a thread, and before the 10th post there are two references to metallic bikinis. Could we please grow up and show some respect?

dang it .. no one does this when i start threads

goes in the corner and pouts just a little

That's because when you start threads, you're usually the first one to post awkward comments. :/

wipes the coffee off her keyboard... blows the coffee outta her nose

I feel like I should be offended by that ... but really I'm just amused ... you've amused me ... carry on.. you may live

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I should get a small shirt and turn it into a giant top hat or something...

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They're only awkward cause I didn't get there first.

As to the OP: If you don't want to wear it, just bring it. Most GMs are ok with that. I certainly would be. I might ask you to do something vaguely clever with it, such as wear it as a cape, but if you don't want to, I won't push the issue.

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To those saying or implying that a GM is being a jerk if they require the player to follow the rules ...

It is not being a jerk when you follow the rules. It is playing the game properly and respectfully.

Think of it like stopping at a red light when there isn't anyone else around. Sure you could blow right by the light and suffer no consequences, but most everyone on the planet stops. They respect the law and probably realize there could be unknown consequences if they break it. And they expect everyone else to stop at red lights too so they can drive through green lights without stopping to check if another driver isn't going to stop for them.

Wearing the shirt for a free reroll is part of the game. Just because most GMs are cool with a player just having the shirt (even tucked away in a backpack) doesn't mean those following the rules are jerks.

If you don't like a rule, then petition to change it.

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Don Walker wrote:

To those saying or implying that a GM is being a jerk if they require the player to follow the rules ...

It is not being a jerk when you follow the rules. It is playing the game properly and respectfully.

Where are the posts like this when I'm correcting someone on game rules? Maybe I'll keep a link to this one handy for future use. ;)

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I've noticed people who just bring in the Character Folio but don't actually use it except to get a reroll. Not really sure how I feel about that.

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Christopher Rowe wrote:
I've noticed people who just bring in the Character Folio but don't actually use it except to get a reroll. Not really sure how I feel about that.

Thing is, if you use it and then require its use to get the re-rolls, it's pretty much tied to one character, which I'm pretty sure isn't the intent.


The rules don't stop you from wearing the t-shirt as a cape/bandana/armband/etc.

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Bearded Ben wrote:
The rules don't stop you from wearing the t-shirt as a cape/bandana/armband/etc.

No they don't. This is perfectly acceptable under the rules.


Jiggy wrote:
So a girl gamer starts a thread, and before the 10th post there are two references to metallic bikinis. Could we please grow up and show some respect?

Jiggy 'detect humor' roll = fail.

grow up? no thank you

show respect? how is my comment that was supposed to be obviously (i thought) a dig at myself, not female gamers, showing a lack of respect to anyone other than myself?

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my problem with shirts is size, if i get a reroll shirt it will most likely end up a turban

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Jiggy wrote:
Christopher Rowe wrote:
I've noticed people who just bring in the Character Folio but don't actually use it except to get a reroll. Not really sure how I feel about that.
Thing is, if you use it and then require its use to get the re-rolls, it's pretty much tied to one character, which I'm pretty sure isn't the intent.

Really? I it were me selling character sheets that would certainly be my intent. Though I must admit I don't have that product so I'm not really sure what it is. I was under the impression that it was a super-duper character sheet for just one character. If that's the case, I'd certainly want everybody to have one per character.

If it were me selling them, that is. Which it isn't, obviously. 'Cause I would have made one specialized folio per character class. No! One per archetype! And for the most popular multi-class combinations! Launching InDesign now. I'll be rich, rich I tell you!


Jiggy wrote:
Don Walker wrote:

To those saying or implying that a GM is being a jerk if they require the player to follow the rules ...

It is not being a jerk when you follow the rules. It is playing the game properly and respectfully.

Where are the posts like this when I'm correcting someone on game rules? Maybe I'll keep a link to this one handy for future use. ;)

And I only saw one post .. and it was meant as a funny ... or at least that's how I took it ....

Now that we've all been properly chastised ....

If you're at my table ... I don't care how you wear it ... or if you drape it over your chair .. sheesh .. have a shirt or a folio ... you get the re-roll ... simple thing ... for those that want to debate it .. there was another thread on this exact topic about 6 months ago...

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Purple Fluffy CatBunnyGnome wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
Don Walker wrote:

To those saying or implying that a GM is being a jerk if they require the player to follow the rules ...

It is not being a jerk when you follow the rules. It is playing the game properly and respectfully.

Where are the posts like this when I'm correcting someone on game rules? Maybe I'll keep a link to this one handy for future use. ;)

And I only saw one post .. and it was meant as a funny ... or at least that's how I took it ....

Now that we've all been properly chastised ....

If you're at my table ... I don't care how you wear it ... or if you drape it over your chair .. sheesh .. have a shirt or a folio ... you get the re-roll ... simple thing ... for those that want to debate it .. there was another thread on this exact topic about 6 months ago...

Can it be worn as socks? How about a kilt? Can it be made into a war flag that gets the table into a frenzy to be louder than all others in the large room at Gen Con?


Michael Brock wrote:
Purple Fluffy CatBunnyGnome wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
Don Walker wrote:

To those saying or implying that a GM is being a jerk if they require the player to follow the rules ...

It is not being a jerk when you follow the rules. It is playing the game properly and respectfully.

Where are the posts like this when I'm correcting someone on game rules? Maybe I'll keep a link to this one handy for future use. ;)

And I only saw one post .. and it was meant as a funny ... or at least that's how I took it ....

Now that we've all been properly chastised ....

If you're at my table ... I don't care how you wear it ... or if you drape it over your chair .. sheesh .. have a shirt or a folio ... you get the re-roll ... simple thing ... for those that want to debate it .. there was another thread on this exact topic about 6 months ago...

Can it be worn as socks? How about a kilt? Can it be made into a war flag that gets the table into a frenzy to be louder than all others in the large room at Gen Con?

sure ... those socks should be up around your ears tho ... mind be a bit ackward

I'm sure something could be done to make shirts into a kilt ... a utili-faction-kilt???

You want a war flag? sure bring it ...

Grand Lodge 5/5 Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka TriOmegaZero

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Purple Fluffy CatBunnyGnome wrote:
You want a war flag? sure bring it ...

Finally, a reason to buy the small sized Andoran shirt!


TriOmegaZero wrote:
Purple Fluffy CatBunnyGnome wrote:
You want a war flag? sure bring it ...
Finally, a reason to buy the small sized Andoran shirt!

oh .. forgot to say ... Andoran apparral isn't allowed at my tables ... just saying ...

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Jiggy wrote:
So a girl gamer starts a thread, and before the 10th post there are two references to metallic bikinis. Could we please grow up and show some respect?

This. These kinds of jokes are in poor taste at best.

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Can you wear it as some socks?
Can you use it from the box?
Can you put it on your fox?

It does not fit, its not a blouse.
It does not fit, I'm not a mouse.
It does not fit, not here or there.
It does not fit me anywhere.


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Ross Byers wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
So a girl gamer starts a thread, and before the 10th post there are two references to metallic bikinis. Could we please grow up and show some respect?
This. These kinds of jokes are in poor taste at best.

I understand taking a company stance ... but from one gamer girl to the company .. can we please not turn this into a "don't offend the girls" thread.

I would like to believe, that while the trials of all gamer girls shouldn't be devalued and that's not what I'm attempting to do her, I would like to believe that gamer girls are make from fairly strong stock and can handle a few chainmail bikini jokes and not be offended by them.

I mean we do sit at convention tables with guys that fart, burb, scratch themselves and make off color jokes for an entire 5 hour game session if not longer ... chainmail bikini jokes are nothing.

And now I guess it's time for me to leave this thread alone.

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asthyril wrote:

you don't have to wear the shirt to get the reroll, just bring it with you and show it when you want to reroll.

that will allow you to wear the chainmail bikini that all female gamers wear.

they do wear that, right?

Trust me, you would not want to sit at a table with me in a chainmail bikini. But if you insist, I'd suggest we all get the privilege of sitting on little metal links. I would like to say other things, but that would get personal and likely have me stricken from the forums.


What would be fun - and it would fix this issue - would be if PFS regions could use the logos to produce their own PFS apparel (as in "Pathfinder Society - Atlanta" and so on). If the apparel were ordered through one of the online custom sites (like Cafe Press and that sort of thing) they could get t-shirts (both male and female), hoodies, baby onesies and so on. Arrange it so that Paizo gets the licensing fee, there's a kickback to the region to fund local promotions, and people can enjoy a wider selection of reroll clothes.

(I know I'm frequently too cold - I get cold easily, so what! - to wear the t-shirt as a stand-alone garment, so I'd be all for a PFS Atlanta hoodie or sweatshirt.)

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Purple Fluffy CatBunnyGnome wrote:


I mean we do sit at convention tables with guys that fart, burb, scratch themselves and make off color jokes for an entire 5 hour game session if not longer ... chainmail bikini jokes are nothing.

I've never "burbed" at a con.

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David Haller wrote:

What would be fun - and it would fix this issue - would be if PFS regions could use the logos to produce their own PFS apparel (as in "Pathfinder Society - Atlanta" and so on). If the apparel were ordered through one of the online custom sites (like Cafe Press and that sort of thing) they could get t-shirts (both male and female), hoodies, baby onesies and so on. Arrange it so that Paizo gets the licensing fee, there's a kickback to the region to fund local promotions, and people can enjoy a wider selection of reroll clothes.

(I know I'm frequently too cold - I get cold easily, so what! - to wear the t-shirt as a stand-alone garment, so I'd be all for a PFS Atlanta hoodie or sweatshirt.)

This is already done. There are no problems as long as the Community Use Policy is followed. Or, you can do what Asheville lodge did with their awesome shirt.

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Those will get a reroll at the table?

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Don Walker wrote:
Think of it like stopping at a red light when there isn't anyone else around. Sure you could blow right by the light and suffer no consequences, but most everyone on the planet stops. They respect the law and probably realize there could be unknown consequences if they break it. And they expect everyone else to stop at red lights too so they can drive through green lights without stopping to check if another driver isn't going to stop for them.

Wow. And I thought I had heard that Boston had among the worst drivers in the world.

Back when I lived in Chicago, I knew enough to wait for a noticeable amount of time before I drove across a certain street after my street got the green light. Otherwise, you were asking to get hit by that guy running the red.

Then again, 2 am blowing by the Stop sign is not only well known, it even gets multiple names, like the Chicago Stop or the St. Louis Stop.

Oddly enough, though, it is called a Chicago stop in St. Louis, and a St. Louis stop in Chicago. ;)

And, out here in Vegas, it is unfortunately called common stupidity; and, equally unfortunately, happens waaaaaay too much. Too high a percentage of drivers in Las Vegas are either drunk, sleepy or sleepy drunks.

Why is it that all the worst drivers from everywhere else spend so much time driving even worse than normal in Vegas? My late brother had a saying about driving in Vegas; "If you have driven for 10 minutes, and not seen at least one driver doing something stupid or illegal, or both, you would be best served by turning around and going home, because you sure aren't paying much attention to your driving." The only thing he was wrong about was only expecting one bad driver in a ten minute period. Yeesh.

[/end derail]

Grand Lodge 5/5 Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka TriOmegaZero

Jiggy wrote:
Those will get a reroll at the table?

I don't see why not. You're not getting a reroll for buying the shirt, you're getting a reroll for promoting the game.

Edit: Oh, you meant the regional shirts. Right.

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Jiggy wrote:

Those will get a reroll at the table?

No. But you can get them made for whatever size, male or female cut, etc... while representing your area!

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Bearded Ben wrote:
The rules don't stop you from wearing the t-shirt as a cape/bandana/armband/etc.
Don Walker wrote:
No they don't. This is perfectly acceptable under the rules.

I disagree, Don. "Wearing a shirt" has a common-sense meaning. In nerd-speak: it needs to occupy your body slot.

Try this: go into a restaurant with a "no shirt, no service" policy, with a t-shirt on your head. See how well that works for you.

I try to make it clear up front: the rules say you need to wear the magic shirt to get the re-roll. If you're carrying a shirt around with you, I'll give you the chance to don it before you need it.

Grand Lodge 5/5 Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka TriOmegaZero

As long as the head-shirt wasn't the only shirt you were wearing, you'd just get funny looks along with your service. You are still wearing it, it should still count.

Edit: I do agree that having it in your bag should not count.

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Chris Mortika wrote:


Try this: go into a restaurant with a "no shirt, no service" policy, with a t-shirt on your head. See how well that works for you.

Oh, I did that once in San Diego, just after coming back from Tijuana, and......um.....never mind.

Venture-Lieutenant, Canada—New Brunswick aka Lyarie

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This isn't about girl gamer issues. This is about not wanting to feel like I'm choking. I have the shirt. I want to wear it as a shirt.

So to reiterate my question: Can I still get my reroll if I heavily modify the shirt as long as all the important bits (image and tag) are there?

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Lyarie wrote:

This isn't about girl gamer issues. This is about not wanting to feel like I'm choking. I have the shirt. I want to wear it as a shirt.

So to reiterate my question: Can I still get my reroll if I heavily modify the shirt as long as all the important bits (image and tag) are there?

Yes

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