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Now THis was a superman movie! I loved the whole thing, it was a fantastic take on the whole thing.

I agree with DM Wellard the nOn cartoonish Zod was awesome, and you understood him, he had goal and reason you got. You many not have agreed with them, but you understood him.

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Saw it. Enjoyed it. My favorite part? The new relationship between Lois and Clark.


Saw it yesterday and I loved it, can't wait to see a sequel. I do wish there was an ending credit scene though.

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I just saw that Christopher Meloni (Elliot from Law and Order) was in this. Can anyone tell me how big his part was?

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Dunno. Some soldier or something.

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Marc Radle wrote:
I just saw that Christopher Meloni (Elliot from Law and Order) was in this. Can anyone tell me how big his part was?

He was one of the main soldier figures (a colonel or something) and had some interaction with both Superman and with Faora that was memorable.


He was a colonel but did indeed have some good interaction.


Mediocre effort. Only really good thing was

Spoiler:
Kal El actually killing Zod at the end.

"Hey, here's another shot of Clark looking pensive while some human treats him like crap."
"Gee, Zack, don't you thing we have enough of those moments?"
"Hells no, we have to cover the full beard and age spectrum with these shots!"


Saw it on Father's Day--great movie!


Ninja in the Rye wrote:

Mediocre effort. Only really good thing was Kal El actually (Spolier)...

Spoiler:
"Hey, here's another shot of Clark looking pensive while some human treats him like crap."
"Gee, Zack, don't you thing we have enough of those moments?"
"Hells no, we have to cover the full beard and age spectrum with these shots!"

You mean you liked them doing the ONE thing that Superman shouldn't do... Also, spoiler tag probably shoulda been tossed in there

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Saw it on Saturday. Loved it. The only problem I had was there lack of use of a steady-cam. It was okay during the action scenes, but when there two people are just talking??? They are just standing in place, the camera isn't even moving, and the scene is shaking. I mean, really?

Other than that, I really loved the movie. A steady build up toward the inevitable conclusion. I liked how they incorporated the mid-2000's comics backstory about Kryptonians into the movie. I thought that was one of the better decissions by DC. Now if they would just get rid of the New-52, I could go back to reading DC comics.

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I really enjoyed it. I don't understand the harsh criticisms it has received. It had a few flaws, but I grant every movie a few allowances while still being considered (by me) to be a great movie.

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DeathQuaker wrote:
Flagged Ninja in the Rye's post for (DESPERATELY) needing a spoiler tag.

Dudes, don't favorite me, just flag his post. :)


daemonprince wrote:
Ninja in the Rye wrote:

Spoiler:
Mediocre effort. Only really good thing was Kal El actually (Spolier)...

"Hey, here's another shot of Clark looking pensive while some human treats him like crap."
"Gee, Zack, don't you thing we have enough of those moments?"
"Hells no, we have to cover the full beard and age spectrum with these shots!"

You mean you liked them doing the ONE thing that Superman shouldn't do... Also, spoiler tag probably shoulda been tossed in there

Spoiler:
I can't decide if I like the choice they made here. It goes against a lot of his character, but I can also totally see it as a mistake he made in his origin story that he tries to overcome. It's something he immediately regrets, but they gloss over most of him actually dealing with it after the scene where Lois comforts him.

I find it amusing that Lois has a higher on screen body count.

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DeathQuaker wrote:
DeathQuaker wrote:
Flagged Ninja in the Rye's post for (DESPERATELY) needing a spoiler tag.
Dudes, don't favorite me, just flag his post. :)

Or do both =)


Caineach wrote:
daemonprince wrote:
Ninja in the Rye wrote:

** spoiler omitted **

"Hey, here's another shot of Clark looking pensive while some human treats him like crap."
"Gee, Zack, don't you thing we have enough of those moments?"
"Hells no, we have to cover the full beard and age spectrum with these shots!"

You mean you liked them doing the ONE thing that Superman shouldn't do... Also, spoiler tag probably shoulda been tossed in there
** spoiler omitted **

For what it's worth (and trying to post a spoiler-free reply), it appears they are really delving into the Byrne "Man of Steel" reboot version of Superman here. Byrne made a similar editorial decision concerning Kryptonian justice that was controversial with the fans.


Caineach wrote:


** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
Yes i was an unsuperman move, however it was a very, very human one. Zod wanted to die, he had nothing left, he was built for doing one and only one thing. His drive was over and he put Kal in a spot where he had to chose, watch his new people die or end Zod.

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Took my dad to see it on Father's Day. He is the pickiest Superman fan I know and he loved it. His main problems were no super underwear and the race change on Perry.


Marc Radle wrote:
I just saw that Christopher Meloni (Elliot from Law and Order) was in this. Can anyone tell me how big his part was?

Reflecting on the movie, I think Meloni's character is representative of humanity in general when it comes to Earth accepting or rejecting Superman. He's also got a lynchpin moment in the story that is both poetic and just plain punch-to-the-gut excellent. In short, his character is awesome and he is on screen fairly often.

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I loved all the Smallville cameos in this film. Waaay back in Season 1 Amy Adams was the meteor freak in Craving and David Paetkau (the coms officer who first uses the name "Superman" on screen) was also in Season 1 in the episode Hothead as the scared football player who had his arm burnt by the meteor freak coach.

Alessandro Juliani (the guy monitoring the readings up at the arctic dig site when the rumbling happened) had a recurring role as Emil Hamilton in Smallville while Mackenzie Gray (one of the Kryptonian councilors at the beginning of the film) was an evil scientist who was responsible for a cyborg in... I think Season 5.

Connections like those entertain me for some reason. They just make me grin.

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DeathQuaker wrote:
Flagged Ninja in the Rye's post for (DESPERATELY) needing a spoiler tag.

Well, I'm sorry if I spoiled anyone.

I assumed the general policy was that once a movie is out, the thread about it is going to be filled with spoilers and discussion, and people who don't want to be spoiled would know to stay out, as that's the case on other forums I frequently read.

daemonprince wrote:
Ninja in the Rye wrote:


You mean you liked them doing ...

Spoiler:
Superman has done it in the comics under similar circumstances. I don't want all heroes turning into The Punisher, but sometimes you have to kill the monster to protect people and there's no magic 3rd option or random morally gray NPC who is going to pop up and kill the bad guy for you to maintain the hero's driven snow status.

I am a dedicated Superman fan, and surprisingly, I liked this movie. I liked Cavil as Superman, good action and such. However, I hated the suit, not as a whole, but for small little things. This was a good Superman movie, but it did have a lot of plot holes. Despite this, I did enjoy it.

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I, consider the lack of red underwear a marvelous thing.

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Haven't seen the film yet (and probably won't for a while), but...

Spoiler:
In the Post-Crisis reboot of Superman, John Byrne decided that Superman couldn't just have a code against killing, but that it had to come from somewhere. So he wrote an issue that ended with Superman killing Zod and his cronies in an admittedly extreme situation where they had destroyed all life on an alternate Earth. The decision haunted Superman for quite some time, and he vowed never to kill again.

I personally think it was some dumb reasoning on Byrne's part (who has had his share of dumb moves in his career), but it's not like the film just decided that this Superman should be a killer. It gels with his comic book history, unfortunately.

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seekerofshadowlight wrote:

Now THis was a superman movie! I loved the whole thing, it was a fantastic take on the whole thing.

I agree with DM Wellard the nOn cartoonish Zod was awesome, and you understood him, he had goal and reason you got. You many not have agreed with them, but you understood him.

I am going to agree with you on this. Having a villain with a reasonable goal even if that goal is incredibly evil helps a movie make sense. I ended up liking the movie a lot more than I expected to.

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Alceste008 wrote:
seekerofshadowlight wrote:

Now THis was a superman movie! I loved the whole thing, it was a fantastic take on the whole thing.

I agree with DM Wellard the nOn cartoonish Zod was awesome, and you understood him, he had goal and reason you got. You many not have agreed with them, but you understood him.

I am going to agree with you on this. Having a villain with a reasonable goal even if that goal is incredibly evil helps a movie make sense. I ended up liking the movie a lot more than I expected to.

Agreed. For Zod, it wasn't even really a choice for him. He was born, bred, raised, and physically and mentally programmed to do precisely one thing, and he dialed that thing up to eleven... MILLION.

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Ninja in the Rye wrote:
DeathQuaker wrote:
Flagged Ninja in the Rye's post for (DESPERATELY) needing a spoiler tag.

Well, I'm sorry if I spoiled anyone.

I assumed the general policy was that once a movie is out, the thread about it is going to be filled with spoilers and discussion, and people who don't want to be spoiled would know to stay out, as that's the case on other forums I frequently read.

I don't think there's ever been a specific "policy" but as generally people read threads like these in part to gauge whether they would like to see the movie themselves when they haven't seen it yet, the better part of valor is to take the time to put the spoiler tag in.

(My personal policy is that anything less than 5 years old, I tend to spoiler tag if I am in doubt.)

Charlie Brooks wrote:

Haven't seen the film yet (and probably won't for a while), but...

** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
I think the reason why they did this in the movie was actually very similar reasoning. They took great care that Superman only killed Zod because he was left with little other choice, and that it caused him great emotional pain to do so -- which helps set up why he may in future installments have a strict anti-killing code even if some might think it would be easier to kill in certain circumstances (but "easy" is not always "right," to paraphrase Dumbledore). Personally, I think it makes a lot of sense and I think they handled the scene and situation extremely well. It was shocking, but it didn't strike me as out of character or inappropriate, especially since they really took time to establish how much he was trying to avoid it. Even though I myself am a practitioner of nonviolence, I think blanket codes against killing on the part of crimefighters and alieninvaderfighters can sometimes be nonsensical (and frankly? If someone attacked me and I could see no other way to end the situation, I'd fight back). At the same time, it doesn't mean you make the heroes enjoy killing, or resort to it easily.
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Saw it this weekend. I have to say it was a fun movie. I really enjoyed scenes from Krypton. I think Russell Crowe did a great job as Jor El. I also think the new General Zod was pretty good. As for Superman, I think Cavil did a good job as well. I had no issues how he portrayed superman. I even like the new Lois Lane. Amy Adams comes across as a gritty reporter much like Margot Kidder did.

The story was decent, but I had two big issues with the movie. It made me come out of the movie and think to myself that the movie was good, but could have been better. First, I did not appreciate all the destruction in Smallville and Metropolis. Honestly, I'm an older comic book fan and I believe that Superman would have moved the fight out of the way of all the humans if he could. He would not have stayed in a battle where buildings were coming down. He would have lured the Krytonians away to a remote area for less casualties and damage. My second issue is what happened at the end of the film. I know Superman was left with little choice, but I think they could have done something other than what happened. That isn't Superman.

Overall, a good movie, good actors, with some minor issues. I want this movie to do well so we see more DC movies leading up to a JLA movie. Btw, did folks see or hear about the easter eggs? I know most saw LexCorp tanker truck, but did anyone see the Satellite and who it belonged too and also I was reading that the ship Superman found in Canada had a Pod that was empty and the director was insinuating we might see Kara.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.


Hama wrote:
I, consider the lack of red underwear a marvelous thing.

Actually, I agree with you. I'm totally fine the red undies are gone. My issues were the texture on the symbol and the boots. For some reason it just didn't seem right to me, YMMV. Also, the blue color looked great in some scenes, but virtually black in others. Lastly, it needed a more obvious belt. What they had on there just looked...meh. All in all, I think they were going in the right direction with the costume, they just needed to clean up a few points. Again, YMMV.


Bored half way through. No plot, loads of plot holes, most of the film just superman...smash.

Also I thought superman was suppossed to save people and be an all round boring nice guy. Instead we have him trashing most of Metropolis by dragging the fight through buildings and destroying them. You don't see it but the civilian death toll must have been in the thousands.

Surley he would have taken the fight out to some desterted field in the middle of nowhere thereby saving countless lives in the process.

Terrible film and pointless IMHO.

Silver Crusade

Saw this movie Friday night after work with a friend. I went into it hoping the movie wouldn't be as bad Superman III, IV and V.

I wasn't disappointed. It was easily as good as the first Superman movie, just not as good as the second (my favorite Superman movie).

The presentation of the origin was acceptable to me. It actually felt like I was watching a comic book unfold onscreen. As far as the fight scenes were concerned, you got the impression that Kal-El was in jeopardy. The thing to keep in mind is that he never had to fight to protect himself, so putting in a fight against those who were trained from the womb to do exactly that gave those scenes a visceral feel to them would not have otherwise been there. He had to learn as he went through the movie and I enjoyed that most of all. This Superman did not have the perfect solution to the problem at hand. The next time he gets into a fight like that, I'm sure he will take the fighting somewhere else to minimize collateral damage, if only to avoid a situation like what happened near the end of the movie.

I had my doubts about Russel Crowe playing Jor-El, but he did a phenomenal job. Pa Kent's speech to Kal (which they played in initial trailers) made my friend angry. 'Pa Kent would have never said something like that' was what I heard. Back in the day, I would agree. But this is a new Superman for a new age and as a parent myself, I found myself agreeing with what he said, even though it ran contrary to what he as person truly believed. As a parent, he wanted to keep his son safe. It was all the more poignant when that certain life changing moment occurred in the movie. I was struck with a sense of apropos as it played out and admired both the courage and honor displayed by Pa Kent. Kevin Costner brought real gravitas to a scene that made it all the more heartwrenching watch. It brought to mind a line from the first Superman movie

Spoiler:

All those things I can do. All those powers. And I couldn't even save him.

As far as favorite moments go, mine was

Spoiler:
when Zod's forces threatened Ma Kent and paid for it. It was a totally human reaction.

Man of Steel laid a firm foundation to build a franchise on. Let's hope that they continue to do so. DC/Warner Bros needed this film to do well and it succeeded.

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Saw it. Loved it.

Done.


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Amy Adams comes across as a gritty reporter much like Margot Kidder did.

Whoah, wait... Amy Adams is Lois Lane? How did I miss that bit of info? Now my wife's gonna want to go see it. She thinks Amy is just absolutely adorable (though I'm sure most of that is thanks her performance in "Enchanted").


It was pretty decent and I enjoyed myself.

It was probably 20 minutes too long and got a little too explodey-explodey near the end (which was lame and tired 10 years ago, much less in 2013), but otherwise I think it caught the Superman mythos pretty well (for all I know about it, which isn't necessarily too much).

I really liked the extended Krypton scenes.

And Christopher Meloni as the colonel was pretty great.


I wasn't particularly a fan (though the action was pretty great, and I liked Zod's hench-woman a lot). The overall thematics and tone seemed a bit inconsistent, and I really disliked some of the character work, especially Pa Kent and Superman's "finishing move" at the end.

But those things have been talked about a lot already, so I'll pass over them. Something else that I really missed in this movie was *Clark Kent.* I felt like we were just seeing Superman the whole time (even when he wasn't in costume), and that's only part of the character.

On action, the movie delivered, but on heart, it was lacking.


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well, No you saw clark the whole time. He was not superman until much later. The whole movie was really clark, finding himself and his place.

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seekerofshadowlight wrote:
well, No you saw clark the whole time. He was not superman until much later. The whole movie was really clark, finding himself and his place.

Agreed. In fact, it's one of the best "hero finding himself and learning who he is and what he stands for" movies I've seen. And it makes very clear that the HERO is Clark Kent. "Superman's" just a handle/is now the secret identity.

Tied with the strong themes of family through the film, it's why I felt the movie was very uplifting and heartwarming, in spite of the explodyfest at the very end of the movie (which I just kind of handwave away as requisite for a superhero movie--also, the buildings were shown to be evacuated, so they were breaking empty buildings). The people who call it cold and grim absolutely puzzle me because of this; I felt "warm" the whole time and left the theater smiling.


I adore Amy Adams and she definitely gave Lois the spunkiness that she should have. I just think they should have dyed her hair.Lois as a redhead just seems wrong..especially as we did see Lana briefly on the bus.


seekerofshadowlight wrote:
well, No you saw clark the whole time. He was not superman until much later. The whole movie was really clark, finding himself and his place.

Clark Kent and *Clark Kent* are not the same thing. I'm talking about *Clark Kent* - the fun, goofy guy that Superman uses as a disguise. We didn't get any of that - and I doubt we will in the subsequent movies, either, which is really quite a shame. He's a lot of fun.


princeimrahil wrote:
seekerofshadowlight wrote:
well, No you saw clark the whole time. He was not superman until much later. The whole movie was really clark, finding himself and his place.
Clark Kent and *Clark Kent* are not the same thing. I'm talking about *Clark Kent* - the fun, goofy guy that Superman uses as a disguise. We didn't get any of that - and I doubt we will in the subsequent movies, either, which is really quite a shame. He's a lot of fun.

Well, this movie predates that *Clark Kent*. I would guess if they do a new movie and not an origins story, then we will probably see that.


DeathQuaker wrote:

Tied with the strong themes of family through the film, it's why I felt the movie was very uplifting and heartwarming, in spite of the explodyfest at the very end of the movie (which I just kind of handwave away as requisite for a superhero movie--also, the buildings were shown to be evacuated, so they were breaking empty buildings). The people who call it cold and grim absolutely puzzle me because of this; I felt "warm" the whole time and left the theater smiling.

I think the following factors made it "cold" - to me, at least (spoiled for spoilers):

Spoiler:

1) Obviously, he kills Zod at the end. We can debate the nature of the moral choice ad infinitum, but it is decidedly a dark moment in the film. That there is little time/attention given to Superman's regret about it (indeed, he's back to making flippant remarks to the army in a scene a few minutes later) adds to this sense of darkness.

2) Superman's childhood is depicted as rather traumatic, with little joy. He is picked on in a fairly brutal way, and appears to have no real friends outside of Pete Ross (who only warms to him after Clark saves his life). Even when he DOES perform good actions, he is reprimanded by his father for it, giving him a sense of shame about who he is. On top of that, he goes through an agonizing process of coping with his biology (e.g. the classroom scene, and his mother's comments about how hard it was for him to even BREATHE as a child).

3) Superman is adversarial with/alienated from nearly everyone in this movie, even when he's being altruistic. He has pretty deep conflicts with Pa Kent, eventually manifesting in an angry exchange shortly before his dad's death. His relationship with Jor-El is little better - "Ghost Dad" serves mainly to tell him what to do and provide exposition, lacking the fondness and longing you would expect between father and son. He trashes a guy's truck because the guy threw beer at him. He wrecks army satellites and acts flippant when the army gets mad about it. He keeps everyone at a distance, having no apparent friends even when he becomes an adult (he appears not to have kept in touch with Pete Ross).

4) While there are a few scenes of him protecting others (e.g. the school bus, the oil rig) he doesn't seem to be very HAPPY about it (which contrasted with my memory of Christopher Reeve's ever-smiling - smirking, even - Superman, who has to confess to Jor-El "how good it felt" to help others). Later on, he seems to have little regard for anyone other than people close to him (Lois and his mom) - there's a moment where he intercedes to protect some soldiers, but he doesn't seem to give a second thought to the damage being done to Smallville's main drag, nor to the potential casualties there or in Metropolis; he keeps blithely knocking Zod through occupied buildings, and doesn't even seem to notice people are at risk until Zod makes a deliberate point of trying to kill them). Contrast this with the (admittedly imperfect) Superman II - the fight between Superman and Zod and Co. is structured around how tough it is to fight three Kryptonians foes AND keep people safe. The villains even realize this "weakness" and start to exploit it.

5) This was a biggie for me - he LETS HIS DAD DIE. A lot of people have been saying "but he was showing trust," etc. but that simply doesn't work for me. Superman doesn't want to see ANYONE die, and he certainly doesn't want to let his father die for no reason (or rather, the completely ridiculous reason of "omg! I have to risk my life to get the family dog!" Nobody who works on a farm would do that, underscoring how contrived the situation was).


princeimrahil wrote:
DeathQuaker wrote:

Tied with the strong themes of family through the film, it's why I felt the movie was very uplifting and heartwarming, in spite of the explodyfest at the very end of the movie (which I just kind of handwave away as requisite for a superhero movie--also, the buildings were shown to be evacuated, so they were breaking empty buildings). The people who call it cold and grim absolutely puzzle me because of this; I felt "warm" the whole time and left the theater smiling.

I think the following factors made it "cold" - to me, at least (spoiled for spoilers):

** spoiler omitted **...

Responding to points 4 and 5 mostly:

Spoiler:
4. I think we see his happieness in the last scene, and that is kind of the point. He is only really happy when he doesn't have to hide who he is or try to deny it. The end result of any of his altruistic actions is he has to move on to a different place. Now, he doesn't have to. Superman can now live out in the open, accepting who he is.

5. Yes it was a horribly contrived scene, but it felt like a traditional terrible backstory plot point from any superhero.


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seekerofshadowlight wrote:
well, No you saw clark the whole time. He was not superman until much later. The whole movie was really clark, finding himself and his place.

Agreed. In fact, it's one of the best "hero finding himself and learning who he is and what he stands for" movies I've seen. And it makes very clear that the HERO is Clark Kent. "Superman's" just a handle/is now the secret identity.

Tied with the strong themes of family through the film, it's why I felt the movie was very uplifting and heartwarming, in spite of the explodyfest at the very end of the movie (which I just kind of handwave away as requisite for a superhero movie--also, the buildings were shown to be evacuated, so they were breaking empty buildings). The people who call it cold and grim absolutely puzzle me because of this; I felt "warm" the whole time and left the theater smiling.

I think you obviously saw a different movie than I did.

Almost every human we meet throughout the movie is total scum. Clark's human father is a cold ass who actively discourages his son from connecting to humanity and tells him that he should let children die. We can probably surmise from the movie that the only reason Clark actually becomes a hero at all is that Pa Kent

Spoiler:
decides to commit completely unnecessary suicide via slow approaching tornado, thus removing his toxic influence on Clark.

Clark only overcomes the horrible influence of humanity by virtue of the innate goodness that, apparently, came from being a natural born Kryptonian.

None of that leaves me feeling warm, as it's basically a kick to the face of the core of the Superman story where a pair of normal human parents so love an alien child who fell from the stars the he becomes the greatest hero the world will ever know. Instead we get a story about humanity being worthless scum who need alien Jesus to teach us to be good.


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No Ninja, what you saw was a man terrified for his son. A man who lived in fear his son would be taken or so alienated he would never have a life. You see that, all thought he movie him trying to help his son, but always fearful others. He was not so much scared they could physically harm his son, but mentally scare him and make him into a monster he could so very easily become.

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seekerofshadowlight wrote:
No Ninja, what you saw was a man terrified for his son. A man who lived in fear his son would be taken or so alienated he would never have a life. You see that, all thought he movie him trying to help his son, but always fearful others. He was not so much scared they could physically harm his son, but mentally scare him and make him into a monster he could so very easily become.

^

What he said.

The Pa Kent I saw was afraid that his son would be hounded by the government and people of Earth, ostracized, dehumanized and demonized, and grow into a being of world-shaking power that resented and despised the human race that had so mistreated him.


seekerofshadowlight wrote:
No Ninja, what you saw was a man terrified for his son. A man who lived in fear his son would be taken or so alienated he would never have a life. You see that, all thought he movie him trying to help his son, but always fearful others. He was not so much scared they could physically harm his son, but mentally scare him and make him into a monster he could so very easily become.

I saw exactly what I stated. A cold bastard who encouraged his son to let children die to protect his secret and prevented as much human contact as possible.

Is it a realistic take? Perhaps, but that's exactly why it makes the movie "grim" and not "heartwarming" IMO.

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Ninja in the Rye wrote:
DeathQuaker wrote:
seekerofshadowlight wrote:
well, No you saw clark the whole time. He was not superman until much later. The whole movie was really clark, finding himself and his place.

Agreed. In fact, it's one of the best "hero finding himself and learning who he is and what he stands for" movies I've seen. And it makes very clear that the HERO is Clark Kent. "Superman's" just a handle/is now the secret identity.

Tied with the strong themes of family through the film, it's why I felt the movie was very uplifting and heartwarming, in spite of the explodyfest at the very end of the movie (which I just kind of handwave away as requisite for a superhero movie--also, the buildings were shown to be evacuated, so they were breaking empty buildings). The people who call it cold and grim absolutely puzzle me because of this; I felt "warm" the whole time and left the theater smiling.

I think you obviously saw a different movie than I did.

Obviously, I must have. I'm glad I saw the one I did. When I go see it again, I'll be sure to rewatch the same one.


Ninja in the Rye wrote:
seekerofshadowlight wrote:
No Ninja, what you saw was a man terrified for his son. A man who lived in fear his son would be taken or so alienated he would never have a life. You see that, all thought he movie him trying to help his son, but always fearful others. He was not so much scared they could physically harm his son, but mentally scare him and make him into a monster he could so very easily become.

I saw exactly what I stated. A cold bastard who encouraged his son to let children die to protect his secret and prevented as much human contact as possible.

Is it a realistic take? Perhaps, but that's exactly why it makes the movie "grim" and not "heartwarming" IMO.

Yeah. It may be a natural and realistic reaction. I'm not sure I'd go as far as cold bastard, but it's not a good way of teaching your son to love and respect humanity. It's not a good way to teach your son to be a selfless hero. It's not a good way to lead him to be the Superman we know.

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