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Round 1 Rules wrote:
The entire submission, including the title, must not exceed 300 words.

The template we provide includes the item name as the first line. It's expected to be in the body. If you do not put the item name in the body, and including it would put you over 300 words, your entry *will* be disqualified, even if the word counter shows that you are at 300 words or less.

I just rejected four entries that did this. They are dead and gone, never to be voted on by the general public.

Let's not make it five, yes?

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Hasn't that always been the case?

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Does the forum-based word counter include the title text in its count?

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Do entrants get notified if their item is auto rejected?

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James Raine wrote:
Does the forum-based word counter include the title text in its count?

assuming that you follow the template and put your title in the main text box yes... if you ignore the template and just put your title in the little one line title box at top (IE do it wrong) then no it does not.

Note your entry should have your title twice, once in the separate title line at the top, and once again in the main text box (as per the template).

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Pendin Fust wrote:
Do entrants get notified if their item is auto rejected?

Historically no, and I would not expect them to start now.

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cwslyclgh wrote:
Hasn't that always been the case?

Yes, but I don't recall it being so prevalent before.

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cwslyclgh wrote:
James Raine wrote:
Does the forum-based word counter include the title text in its count?

assuming that you follow the template and put your title in the main text box yes... if you ignore the template and just put your title in the little one line title box at top (IE do it wrong) then no it does not.

Note your entry should have your title twice, once in the separate title line at the top, and once again in the main text box (as per the template).

Right. What I'm asking though is if my (example-only) two word item name is counted as four words (once in the title, once in the item text), or as two words (once in the item text, not in the title).

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based on Vic's first post, I would say no...

he says "If you do not put the item name in the body, and including it would put you over 300 words"

indicating that if you did put it in the body you are golden.

but be sure to put preview it first... nothing like getting DQed because your word processing application counts words differently than Paizo's.

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It doesn't count the title, just the text.

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Sean K Reynolds wrote:
It doesn't count the title, just the text.

Great, thanks. Not that I'm planning on cutting it that close anyway, it's just good to know.

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Most entries leave a little wiggle room, and some I've seen are quite short.

Length is not always a sign of quality, is what I'm saying.

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Good thing I saw this thread before getting too attached to my gnome contraption that looks somewhat like a tube with a tiny fez on one end but only because it has a cap which vaguely resembles a fez on that end in order to seal off the hollow internal cavity that stores the contraption's alchemical paste prior to someone activating the device and causing it to extrude said paste in such a manner that the person or persons activating it can then apply the paste to one or more small brushes which can thereafter be used in conjunction with water to clean the teeth of one or more creatures in such a manner that no writer could possibly hope to describe the many possible variations of the process and its consequences in any fewer than exactly three-hundred words, greater. I'd have been way over the word limit. :P

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Eric Morton wrote:
Good thing I saw this thread before getting too attached to my gnome contraption that looks somewhat like a tube with a tiny fez on one end but only because it has a cap which vaguely resembles a fez on that end in order to seal off the hollow internal cavity that stores the contraption's alchemical paste prior to someone activating the device and causing it to extrude said paste in such a manner that the person or persons activating it can then apply the paste to one or more small brushes which can thereafter be used in conjunction with water to clean the teeth of one or more creatures in such a manner that no writer could possibly hope to describe the many possible variations of the process and its consequences in any fewer than exactly three-hundred words, greater. I'd have been way over the word limit. :P

Wow, I thought I was the king of garbling but that is one single wicked run on sentence.

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Anthony Adam wrote:
Eric Morton wrote:
toothpaste
Wow, I thought I was the king of garbling but that is one single wicked run on sentence.

Yeah, he's definitely superstar material. I can only think of one way to clean teeth with that invention. He's got more than any writer could hope to express in less than 300 words. That's some imagination.

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Eric Morton wrote:
Good thing I saw this thread before getting too attached to my gnome contraption that looks somewhat like a tube with a tiny fez on one end but only because it has a cap which vaguely resembles a fez on that end in order to seal off the hollow internal cavity that stores the contraption's alchemical paste prior to someone activating the device and causing it to extrude said paste in such a manner that the person or persons activating it can then apply the paste to one or more small brushes which can thereafter be used in conjunction with water to clean the teeth of one or more creatures in such a manner that no writer could possibly hope to describe the many possible variations of the process and its consequences in any fewer than exactly three-hundred words, greater. I'd have been way over the word limit. :P

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Eric Morton wrote:
Good thing I saw this thread before getting too attached to my gnome contraption that looks somewhat like a tube with a tiny fez on one end but only because it has a cap which vaguely resembles a fez on that end in order to seal off the hollow internal cavity that stores the contraption's alchemical paste prior to someone activating the device and causing it to extrude said paste in such a manner that the person or persons activating it can then apply the paste to one or more small brushes which can thereafter be used in conjunction with water to clean the teeth of one or more creatures in such a manner that no writer could possibly hope to describe the many possible variations of the process and its consequences in any fewer than exactly three-hundred words, greater. I'd have been way over the word limit. :P

Now you're just showing off :)

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Clark Peterson wrote:
Eric Morton wrote:
Good thing I saw this thread before getting too attached to my gnome contraption that looks somewhat like a tube with a tiny fez on one end but only because it has a cap which vaguely resembles a fez on that end in order to seal off the hollow internal cavity that stores the contraption's alchemical paste prior to someone activating the device and causing it to extrude said paste in such a manner that the person or persons activating it can then apply the paste to one or more small brushes which can thereafter be used in conjunction with water to clean the teeth of one or more creatures in such a manner that no writer could possibly hope to describe the many possible variations of the process and its consequences in any fewer than exactly three-hundred words, greater. I'd have been way over the word limit. :P
Now you're just showing off :)

He's allowed. After all, a certain TV Doctor can be quoted as saying "Fez's are cool!"

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Vic Wertz wrote:
Let's not make it five, yes?

We made it five. Come on, people!

Another word to the wise: If you were to just paste in the template and submit it (which, yes, one person actually did), it would count as 24 words.

If the word count on your entry is 28, and the title of your item is five words, you have done more than one thing very wrong.


Any hints about total number of entries so far with more that 28 words and less than 300?


Vic Wertz wrote:


Another word to the wise: If you were to just paste in the template and submit it (which, yes, one person actually did), it would count as 24 words.

*blink*

Wait, someone just submitted the template and nothing else? That's one heck of an "oops" moment.

I was guilty of not putting my title in the body of the post last year. It still came in under the word count, but lesson learned.

I think I spent nearly 30 minutes with my item in preview this year, going over it again and again, aloud, before I hit the "submit" button.

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Shadowborn wrote:
I think I spent nearly 30 minutes with my item in preview this year, going over it again and again, aloud, before I hit the "submit" button.

I work on my item solely in the preview window. I did the same thing previous years. I would advise against doing that though, unless you want to accidentally submit your item before you intend to...

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The same mark up works in the forum Private Message window which also has a preview button...

Far safer to accidentally send it to a friend than submit it.

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Zeeboo wrote:
Any hints about total number of entries so far with more that 28 words and less than 300?

With hand on heart, I guarantee there is at least one :P


Anthony Adam wrote:
Zeeboo wrote:
Any hints about total number of entries so far with more that 28 words and less than 300?
With hand on heart, I guarantee there is at least one :P

Are you absolutely-absolutely sure you hit that submit button instead of cancel? :P

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Drejk wrote:
Anthony Adam wrote:
Zeeboo wrote:
Any hints about total number of entries so far with more that 28 words and less than 300?
With hand on heart, I guarantee there is at least one :P
Are you absolutely-absolutely sure you hit that submit button instead of cancel? :P

Double checks the superstar page, yes it definitely says...

Thanks for entering RPG Superstar—good luck!
Your submission was received *static grumble static*.
Congratulations on being within word count,
and avoiding 26 auto rejects,
and fulfilling Rule #27,
and having an amazing item name,
and for using Word's US English spelling and grammar checker!
Come back December 20 to cast your vote!

*Grin*

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Can Paizo adjust the code so that it won't accept an entry over the word count limit?

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I'm kidding! I'm kidding! Don't shoot!

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JollyRoger wrote:
Can Paizo adjust the code so that it won't accept an entry over the word count limit?

Grrrr...

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*chuk* *chuk*

BLAM!

Too late.

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JollyRoger wrote:

Can Paizo adjust the code so that it won't accept an entry over the word count limit?

** spoiler omitted **

No, but they could code it to check and after you have pressed submit instead of preview, it can reply with

"Congratulations on submitting an auto DQ over word count entry, next year, please check your word count and don't be a plank again!"


I managed to fail at cut and paste and missed part of the template off my submission - will I be able to resubmit when the first go is rejected?

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dmwcarol wrote:
I managed to fail at cut and paste and missed part of the template off my submission - will I be able to resubmit when the first go is rejected?

Unfortunately not, one submission per year enforced by one submit button per year.

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dmwcarol wrote:
I managed to fail at cut and paste and missed part of the template off my submission - will I be able to resubmit when the first go is rejected?

You get 1 submission for the contest.

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dmwcarol wrote:
I managed to fail at cut and paste and missed part of the template off my submission - will I be able to resubmit when the first go is rejected?

This is why there is a Preview button, and you should use it.

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Vic Wertz wrote:
Round 1 Rules wrote:
The entire submission, including the title, must not exceed 300 words.

The template we provide includes the item name as the first line. It's expected to be in the body. If you do not put the item name in the body, and including it would put you over 300 words, your entry *will* be disqualified, even if the word counter shows that you are at 300 words or less.

I just rejected four entries that did this. They are dead and gone, never to be voted on by the general public.

Let's not make it five, yes?

The title being separate from the body confused me, in not putting the name of the spell in the body (I had it in the body in the first place but removed it before submitting). Although my entry is no where near 300 words, so this isn't a problem.

Since I didn't put the spell name in the body, is that a disqualification? (that would be the only thing I did wrong - I think)

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gamer-printer wrote:

The title being separate from the body confused me, in not putting the name of the spell in the body (I had it in the body in the first place but removed it before submitting). Although my entry is no where near 300 words, so this isn't a problem.

Since I didn't put the spell name in the body, is that a disqualification? (that would be the only thing I did wrong - I think)

I'm going to assume by not putting the spell in the body you actually mean you didn't put the item name in the [/i]body of the submission[/i]. If you're not over the word count, then it's not the end of the world, but it still reflects poorly on your item.

If you weren't clear on what to do, you had more than enough time to come onto the messageboards and ask. There's no way for us as voters to know (unless you make it to second round), but there's a good chance they're not going to correct it for you before showing us, and an equal chance that means we're not going to see the item name (though admittedly, either or both of those assumptions could be wrong, depending on what they decide to do)


RonarsCorruption wrote:
gamer-printer wrote:

The title being separate from the body confused me, in not putting the name of the spell in the body (I had it in the body in the first place but removed it before submitting). Although my entry is no where near 300 words, so this isn't a problem.

Since I didn't put the spell name in the body, is that a disqualification? (that would be the only thing I did wrong - I think)

I'm going to assume by not putting the spell in the body you actually mean you didn't put the item name in the [/i]body of the submission[/i]. If you're not over the word count, then it's not the end of the world, but it still reflects poorly on your item.

If you weren't clear on what to do, you had more than enough time to come onto the messageboards and ask. There's no way for us as voters to know (unless you make it to second round), but there's a good chance they're not going to correct it for you before showing us, and an equal chance that means we're not going to see the item name (though admittedly, either or both of those assumptions could be wrong, depending on what they decide to do)

Then again, if it's a really, really good item, then I think most voters will overlook something like a formatting error.

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I didn't participate last year, rather the year before, and I don't remember that separate title issue when I submitted in the past, so seeing it threw me - oh, well. I kind of wish the word 'body' wasn't labeled, it was that that threw me. Considering that the body of the spell would not in fact be inclusive of the spell's name (I find that format of labeling of the submission post very confusing). It would have been easier with just a standard reply post and no labeling at all.

That said, if it's that what negates my item as a possible winner, the problem isn't mechanical design or lack of item creativity, rather a forum board posting issue - which has nothing to do with game design. So I won't let it bother me.

I have the absolute minimum amount of time to participate in the rest of the contest if I do win, with my other existing development, design, and cartography workload for Kaidan - I did want to try, though.

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Make absolutely certain you put all of the requirements and required words in your submission as well. I made the mistake of forgetting to put in "Craft Wondrous Items" as a requirement, and including it would have put me over. It was an honest mistake that cost me even having a chance. Be warned!

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The Sinister Chris wrote:
Make absolutely certain you put all of the requirements and required words in your submission as well. I made the mistake of forgetting to put in "Craft Wondrous Items" as a requirement, and including it would have put me over. It was an honest mistake that cost me even having a chance. Be warned!

I went to d20pfsrd.com, then to any magic item, then copy/pasted that into a word doc, removed the actual items name, aura, etc - just to make sure it was exactly formatted, and that I didn't have to think about it, beyond filling in the info for my specific item. It made it much easier getting format correct - which is important, I know.

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gamer-printer wrote:
I didn't participate last year, rather the year before, and I don't remember that separate title issue when I submitted in the past, so seeing it threw me - oh, well. I kind of wish the word 'body' wasn't labeled, it was that that threw me. Considering that the body of the spell would not in fact be inclusive of the spell's name...

Please tell me where you say spell you really mean item?

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Just for future reference, the Round 1 rules on the main Superstar page have the exact template you need to use, with the proper coding.

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Yep, meant wondrous item name, not spell name - still flustered from messing up the submission post. :P

@Jacob W. Michaels - the 'zz's in the formatting of that seems odd to me, I worked better from copying it from d20pfsrd.com. When I created the item in word I put in the [b] stuff in Word so it was just a copy/paste into the submission block.

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gamer-printer wrote:

Yep, meant wondrous item name, not spell name - still flustered from messing up the submission post. :P

@Jacob W. Michaels - the 'zz's in the formatting of that seems odd to me, I worked better from copying it from d20pfsrd.com. When I created the item in word I put in the [b] stuff in Word so it was just a copy/paste into the submission block.

A piece of friendly advice for next year: Practice on the actual template - especially if it seems confusing to you.

EVERYTHING you need to get the formatting right is provided for you right here, whether it be the template, auto-reject advice or a line-by-line breakdown of a wondrous item stat block. Every time you go to an outside source, even one as reliable as d20pfsrd.com, you run the risk that their way of presenting the format is different from the way Paizo does it. Even looking in the printed book can sometimes get you in trouble. All caps in the title is a good example.

And for the love of Jebus, read the rules and FAQ, both for the contest and for the current round. They spell out the part about including the item name both places very clearly.

Showing that you know how to follow directions and do your homework is a major part of RPG Superstar. Both the judges and the voting public deduct major points for sloppiness. If you want proof, take a look at the comments for my Round 3 submission last year. My idea was considered very innovative by a lot of people, but I made a lot of mistakes that were plain dumb, and could easily have been caught if I had paid better attention to proper formatting. And I quite deservedly didn't advance.

So - be awesome, innovative AND use correct format.

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Understand and thanks for the feedback. The proper formatting of a magic item, I have a complete grasp of, only the actual submission mechanism of 'spell name here' and 'body' here, is what confused me - and oopsy, because I know that getting that right counts too, and I didn't. (I read all the rules before submitting, but did not think to look at these threads until afterward.)

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gamer-printer wrote:

Understand and thanks for the feedback. The proper formatting of a magic item, I have a complete grasp of, only the actual submission mechanism of 'spell name here' and 'body' here, is what confused me - and oopsy, because I know that getting that right counts too, and I didn't. (I read all the rules before submitting, but did not think to look at these threads until afterward.)

And with the wondrous item name included, mine is only [REDACTED] words total.

It's good that you're taking this as a learning experience - that already puts you a cut above many other contestants.

Here's another important tip: DON'T mention the exact word-count of your submission. Breaking anonymity is grounds for immediate disqualification.

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gamer-printer wrote:
Since I didn't put the spell name in the body, is that a disqualification? (that would be the only thing I did wrong - I think)

We will not auto-DQ you for missing that. (We will auto-DQ you if you really submitted a spell instead of a wondrous item, though!)


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First rule of RPG Superstar: Don't talk about your item for RPG Superstar.

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I was all paranoid for not checking my word count. In hindsight though mine was probably under 150

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Shadowborn wrote:
First rule of RPG Superstar: Don't talk about your item for RPG Superstar.

Second Rule, if its your first time at RPG Superstar, you have to fight.

That is the rule, right?

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