Your Title Counts. Literally.


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Coridan wrote:
I was all paranoid for not checking my word count. In hindsight though mine was probably under 150

Probably? You should be able to look at your backup and know exactly how many words it was. In fact...

A tip for future and current RPG superstar competitiors: Never don't keep a backup of your work!

This goes for wondrous item submissions, as well as for any contract work you ever do. It's not something that'll happen all the time, but once in a while, your email with your work will get lost, or corrupted. Or you'll forget a few lines and the editor will ask you for clairification.

If you don't keep your own copy of exactly what you submitted, you can't got fix them! I mean, what if your email got corrupted, and you've already deleted your local copy of a submission. BAM, you've now completely missed a deadline because you don't have a copy of your work.

If it's space you're worried about (and honestly, that's silly nowadays) use online storage like dropbox or google docs to submit from. They'll keep all your files for you (for free, unless you have a *lot* of files) online and backed up.

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There are other benefits to having backups

a) You avoid being the plank in the voluntary feedback thread posting such:

"Please can I have feedback on my item. I think it was called Tooth of the JabberyWok, but I don't have a copy. I submitted 2 hours into the competition if that helps."

and more importantly... (and assuming you are wanting to become a designer on a more permanent basis)

b) Backups ====> Are your portfolio of past work to show to prospective employers!

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Alexander Augunas wrote:
Shadowborn wrote:
First rule of RPG Superstar: Don't talk about your item for RPG Superstar.

Second Rule, if its your first time at RPG Superstar, you have to fight.

That is the rule, right?

Nope, the second rule is Double Tap which Neil Spicer seems to have forgotten too.

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Andrew Black wrote:
Nope, the second rule is Double Tap which Neil Spicer seems to have forgotten too.

With handguns, there can be no doubt.

But with a shotgun at close range? Not necessary. ;-)

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Neil Spicer wrote:
Andrew Black wrote:
Nope, the second rule is Double Tap which Neil Spicer seems to have forgotten too.

With handguns, there can be no doubt.

But with a shotgun at close range? Not necessary. ;-)

Unless it's verse Zombies, then there are no exceptions. :-)

RPG Superstar 2009, Contributor

Andrew Black wrote:
Neil Spicer wrote:
Andrew Black wrote:
Nope, the second rule is Double Tap which Neil Spicer seems to have forgotten too.

With handguns, there can be no doubt.

But with a shotgun at close range? Not necessary. ;-)

Unless it's verse Zombies, then there are no exceptions. :-)

Absolutely agree. But try and conserve ammo. No double-taps unless absolutely necessary. And, we may need to go hand-to-hand at that point. Just depends on how dire the situation gets... ;-)

--Neil "Doomsday Prepper and Apocalypse-Survivor" Spicer
"Killing zombies for decades and keeping my braiiiins to myself!"

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RonarsCorruption wrote:
A tip for future and current RPG superstar competitiors: Never don't keep a backup of your work!

Better yet, always keep a backup, especially if you're trying to be an RPG Superstar (grammar counts!)

:)


Alexander Augunas wrote:
Shadowborn wrote:
First rule of RPG Superstar: Don't talk about your item for RPG Superstar.

Second Rule, if its your first time at RPG Superstar, you have to fight.

That is the rule, right?

If by fight you mean get over any fears and reservations you may have and submit something, damn straight. Can't win if you don't enter.

Rule 3: It's "wondrous," not "wonderous."

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Shadowborn wrote:
Rule 3: It's "wondrous," not "wonderous."

Bless you, sir! ;-)

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Cthulhudrew wrote:
RonarsCorruption wrote:
A tip for future and current RPG superstar competitiors: Never don't keep a backup of your work!

Better yet, always keep a backup, especially if you're trying to be an RPG Superstar (grammar counts!)

:)

Never don't always keep a backup!

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Is there a way to see how many words the forum software thinks that a submission/post contains? I have run my submission through two different word counters, one says that I am under 300 words, and the other says that I am over 300 words.

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The preview tells you.

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Yep... when you hit Preview in the submission tool, it'll put it at the very top of the preview screen, right under where it says

[blue and gray header bars]
Paizo / Messageboards / Paizo Publishing / RPG Superstar™
[your item name would be here] - ## WORDS
[preview of your item continues here]

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Note that you have to have something in the subject line for the number of words to come up (the "Wondrous item name" field).

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greysector wrote:
Is there a way to see how many words the forum software thinks that a submission/post contains? I have run my submission through two different word counters, one says that I am under 300 words, and the other says that I am over 300 words.

You should always use the preview option before submitting. Not only for word count, but also for readability and format errors.

Also, if you are skirting too close the word limit, go over the item carefully and see if you can tighten up the writing. It is almost alway possible to cut away some extra fat, and even make your item easier to understand in the process.

Go line by line and look at the sentence structure while focussing only on saving words. Ask youself if you item can be reduced in complexity. A common mistake is piling on too many powers. Focus on the core idea and make it shine. If you can't explain your core idea in a single sentence, you are probably trying to do too much at once.

It's not easy, but being able to cut words and tighten up your item is a VERY valuable skill in any kind of professional writing.

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Sean K Reynolds wrote:

Yep... when you hit Preview in the submission tool, it'll put it at the very top of the preview screen, right under where it says

[blue and gray header bars]
Paizo / Messageboards / Paizo Publishing / RPG Superstar™
[your item name would be here] - ## WORDS
[preview of your item continues here]

Thank you. This is different than the generic PM/forum post tool, as it does not have this functionality. For example, I previewed this message before I posted it and I did not see a word count.

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Correct, it's special just for the submission tool. :)

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Neil Spicer wrote:
Andrew Black wrote:
Neil Spicer wrote:
Andrew Black wrote:
Nope, the second rule is Double Tap which Neil Spicer seems to have forgotten too.

With handguns, there can be no doubt.

But with a shotgun at close range? Not necessary. ;-)

Unless it's verse Zombies, then there are no exceptions. :-)

Absolutely agree. But try and conserve ammo. No double-taps unless absolutely necessary. And, we may need to go hand-to-hand at that point. Just depends on how dire the situation gets... ;-)

--Neil "Doomsday Prepper and Apocalypse-Survivor" Spicer
"Killing zombies for decades and keeping my braiiiins to myself!"

People seem to of forgot the ancient art of using the butt of the rifle. Crushed zombie skull is dead zombie. Or at least knock it's teeth out.

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KingmanHighborn wrote:
Neil Spicer wrote:
Andrew Black wrote:
Neil Spicer wrote:
Andrew Black wrote:
Nope, the second rule is Double Tap which Neil Spicer seems to have forgotten too.

With handguns, there can be no doubt.

But with a shotgun at close range? Not necessary. ;-)

Unless it's verse Zombies, then there are no exceptions. :-)

Absolutely agree. But try and conserve ammo. No double-taps unless absolutely necessary. And, we may need to go hand-to-hand at that point. Just depends on how dire the situation gets... ;-)

--Neil "Doomsday Prepper and Apocalypse-Survivor" Spicer
"Killing zombies for decades and keeping my braiiiins to myself!"

People seem to of forgot the ancient art of using the butt of the rifle. Crushed zombie skull is dead zombie. Or at least knock it's teeth out.

Pssh, why kill them when you can cut off their arms and jaws and use them to tote around your stuff?

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I wonder if you could hook them up to a sleigh and have them pull you around...

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greysector wrote:
Thank you. This is different than the generic PM/forum post tool, as it does not have this functionality. For example, I previewed this message before I posted it and I did not see a word count.

The only one who has wordcount for regular forum posts is Neil Spicer. It's so any post he writes under 300 words, he can DQ.

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Woe and dispair ..... I probably shouldn't respond to this, but I wondered why it showed in the template a BOLD for the title, but you could not format BOLD in the message subject line. I was just under the assumption that the title was auto-BOLD.

I honestly never saw the rule where the title had to be entered twice.

Looks like another year of contemplation for myself. Now that I think about it ... I think my first, this is my second, submission was titled only in the subject line as well.

RPG Superstar 2009, Contributor

Standback wrote:
The only one who has wordcount for regular forum posts is Neil Spicer. It's so any post he writes under 300 words, he can DQ.

Hah! That can't be true. I never write any posts under 300 words.

Spoiler:

Except this one. ;-P


Vic Wertz wrote:
Round 1 Rules wrote:
The entire submission, including the title, must not exceed 300 words.

The template we provide includes the item name as the first line. It's expected to be in the body. If you do not put the item name in the body, and including it would put you over 300 words, your entry *will* be disqualified, even if the word counter shows that you are at 300 words or less.

I just rejected four entries that did this. They are dead and gone, never to be voted on by the general public.

Let's not make it five, yes?

Ouch, sorry. I guess I'm number five. This is my first year submitting and I just submitted my entry about 5 or 6 minutes ago.

I suppose there is always next year.

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Standback wrote:
greysector wrote:
Thank you. This is different than the generic PM/forum post tool, as it does not have this functionality. For example, I previewed this message before I posted it and I did not see a word count.
The only one who has word-count for regular forum posts is Neil Spicer. It's so any post he writes under 300 words, he can DQ.

Come on, it's a very special bit of software. It doesn't allow any attempt to submit at under 500 unless it includes the spolier explosive runes (so anyone clicking on a spoiler on a neil post thats sub 50 words, you get what you deserve!)

And then when it does activate, it waits for his daughters to give permission too (unless they are asleep - and any Neil post you just know will send his daughters to sleep at their current age).

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when we the public go to vote on the items are we going to see a difference between those who included their title in the text and those that did not(ie are you going to add the title to the stat block for them)?

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cwslyclgh, it would look like the difference between a message board thread that has a title and one that doesn't have a title. I don't know exactly what the voting setup will look like... it might mean that one has a line or two of blank space between the title and body.

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Steven T. Helt wrote:
I made up a mythic explosive runes for my playtest players and blasted them for 36 last Monday. I thought of you, Neil.

Awesome. Next time...

Spoiler:

Use...
MAXIMIZED MYTHIC EXPLOSIVE RUNES!!!

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Scorba wrote:

Woe and dispair ..... I probably shouldn't respond to this, but I wondered why it showed in the template a BOLD for the title, but you could not format BOLD in the message subject line. I was just under the assumption that the title was auto-BOLD.

I honestly never saw the rule where the title had to be entered twice.

Looks like another year of contemplation for myself. Now that I think about it ... I think my first, this is my second, submission was titled only in the subject line as well.

Just to be clear, you don't get DQd for failing to put the title in the body unless correcting that error that would put you over word count.

That's actually true of *any* required information that's missing: If your entry says 300 words on the word counter, and you neglected to list the item's cost, then you were actually over word count, and will be DQd.

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Fascinating. I'm really curious about what's going to happen with my entry. At least it won't be an auto DQ, as far as I know.

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