Animal Companion Advancement Walkthrough


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Hello,

I'm very confused by the Animal Companion rules.

I want to look at the starting stats for a wolf and see if I understand what is happening.

A normal wolf which has the following base stats:

Wolf:
Size Medium; Speed 50 ft.; AC 14 (+2 Dex, +2 NA); Str 13, Dex 15, Con 15, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 6; Base Atk +1; CMB +2; CMD 14 (18 vs. trip); Feats Skill Focus (Perception); Skills Perception +8, Stealth +6, Survival +1 (+5 scent tracking); Racial Modifiers +4 Survival when tracking by scent

Now, the starting stats listed under Animal Companion are:

Wolf:
Size Medium; Speed 50 ft.; AC +2 natural armor; Attack bite (1d6 plus trip); Ability Scores Str 13, Dex 15, Con 15, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 6; Special Qualities low-light vision, scent.

(QUESTION 1) My first and probably most important question is this; are the Natural Armor bonuses list in both sets of statistics the same, or do they stack? My guess is that they are the same, but I'm not sure...

Now, I look at the chart. At 3rd level of druid, the NA for ANY animal companion goes up by +2. Does my wolf now have +4 NA, or +6 NA? Essentially, this is my question 1 reworded.

Then, at 7th level, I have another +2 for NA and then, the wolf gets the advancement:
7th-Level Advancement -- Size Large; AC +2 natural armor; Attack bite (1d8); Ability Scores Str +8, Dex –2, Con +4.

Here I'm really confused. Does the NA for the wolf increase again, or is this +2 the same as the Starting Stats? I would think that they stack, so at 7th level, I've increased by yet another +2, BUT, if that is the case, why? The +2 is listed as an unnamed bonus, like the first +2 unnamed bonus in the starting stats.

This makes me think that the wolf is now increased the NA up to +10. +2 for the base wolf, +2 for the starting stats, +4 for the advancement chart, and +2 for the 7th level advancement.

So, if someone could help me understand, I would appreciate it.

Perhaps someone might be as kind to point me to the appropriate thread (I could not find it, but I did see one where James Jacobs said the higher level advancement stacked) where I might find the answers, OR, even better, can you stat out a Druid's Animal Companion (Wolf) at levels 4 and 7? That would help me work out the bonuses if I saw the final stat block.

Thanks,

Aluvial

Liberty's Edge

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Aluvial wrote:


A normal wolf which has the following base stats:

Ignore that completely. Not relevant to companions

Aluvial wrote:

Now, the starting stats listed under Animal Companion are:

Wolf:
Size Medium; Speed 50 ft.; AC +2 natural armor; Attack bite (1d6 plus trip); Ability Scores Str 13, Dex 15, Con 15, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 6; Special Qualities low-light vision, scent.

(QUESTION 1) My first and probably most important question is this; are the Natural Armor bonuses list in both sets of statistics the same, or do they stack? My guess is that they are the same, but I'm not sure...

Now, I look at the chart. At 3rd level of druid, the NA for ANY animal companion goes up by +2. Does my wolf now have +4 NA, or +6 NA? Essentially, this is my question 1 reworded.

The baseline NA for wolf companion is +2. The chart amounts add to this. Again, forget anything you saw on the wolf statblock. At 3rd level, that +2 bonus is added to the base of +2, giving you +4. Don't look at these as bonuses, they are permanent increases to the baseline bonus of +2.

Aluvial wrote:

Then, at 7th level, I have another +2 for NA and then, the wolf gets the advancement:
7th-Level Advancement -- Size Large; AC +2 natural armor; Attack bite (1d8); Ability Scores Str +8, Dex –2, Con +4.

Here I'm really confused. Does the NA for the wolf increase again, or is this +2 the same as the Starting Stats? I would think that they stack, so at 7th level, I've increased by yet another +2, BUT, if that is the case, why? The +2 is listed as an unnamed bonus, like the first +2 unnamed bonus in the starting stats.

These are bonuses added to the existing wolf. So looking at Natural Armor, you base is +2. Then you add the +4 from the chart, then add the +2 from the 7th increase, giving you a total of +8 natural armor.

Now for the stats. You have the base stat array and the level increase of +1 at level 4. From the chart, you further add +2 to Strength and Dexterity. Then, you add the modifications from the level 7 increase, +8 strength, -2 Dexterity, and +4 Constitution. This would give the following stats:

Str: 23
Dex: 15
Con: 19
Int: 2
Wis: 12
Cha: 6

There will also be a single floating point gained at level 4 that will be applied to this.

I cant emphasize enough, ignore the bestiary entry. You gain only the abilities listed on the companion listing


Aluvial wrote:
are the Natural Armor bonuses list in both sets of statistics the same, or do they stack?

You use the stats in the animal companion section.

The starting wolf companion has +2 natural armor. This will increase as you level, both from the level 7 upgrade, as well as from the animal companion statistics table.

Aluvial wrote:
Now, I look at the chart. At 3rd level of druid, the NA for ANY animal companion goes up by +2. Does my wolf now have +4 NA, or +6 NA?

At level 3 the wolf would have +4 natural armor.

Aluvial wrote:
Then, at 7th level, I have another +2 for NA and then, the wolf gets the advancement

+2 from starting statistics

+4 from table at level 6
+2 from 7th-Level Advancement

For a total of +8.

Aluvial wrote:
can you stat out a Druid's Animal Companion (Wolf) at levels 4 and 7? That would help me work out the bonuses if I saw the final stat block.

Something like this:

Wolf Animal Companion (Level 4 Druid)
N Medium animal
Init +3; Senses low-light vision, scent; Perception +8
Defense
AC 17, touch 13, flat-footed 14 (+3 Dex, +4 natural)
hp 26 (4d8+8)
Fort +6, Ref +7, Will +2
Offense
Speed 50 ft.
Melee bite +5 (1d6+2 plus trip)
Statistics
Str 14, Dex 16, Con 15, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 6
Base Atk +3; CMB +5; CMD 18 (22 vs. trip)

To get there, take the starting statistics, then modify accordingly:

Ability scores: Start with the ones from the starting statistics.
Ability score increase: +1 from table. I didn't factor this in.
Str/Dex bonus: +1 to both from table.
Natural Armor: He's got +2 from starting, and +2 from the table for +4 total.
HD: he has 4 HD from the table. d8 is 4.5 average I think, and with his con at 15, that's ((4.5 x 4) + (2 x 4))
BAB: Use BAB from the table.
Saves: Base saves in table, modified by ability score.
Skills: I didn't do these, use ranks on the table.
Feats: He gets 2
Bonus Tricks: assign them

Leveling to 7 the following changes:

HD: up to 6
BAB up to +4
Base saves +1 to each
Skills 6 ranks total
Feats +1
Natural armor +2 from table
Str/Dex bonus another +1 from table
Bonus tricks +1

And also apply the 7th-Level Advancement:
An extra +2 natural AC, a bigger die on his bite, Increase strength by +8, Con by +4, and decrease Dex by -2.
He's also large, which is complicated. As a large creature, his size modifier to AC is -1. His size modifier also applies to attack rolls. His special size modifier for CMB and CMD is +1, though. His bite would normally go up automatically, but they handled that for you in the 7th level advancement. He doesn't get reach for being large, since he's not tall.


I absolutely love you and the people on these boards. Thanks for the help.

Aluvial


Aluvial wrote:
Thanks for the help.

No problem. Be sure to go over the statblock I posted carefully (or get someone else to audit it) before using it. It's totally possible I missed something.


I dont normally necro old threads, but when i do it's for a good reason.

I noticed you told him to ignore the bestiary entry and use only the animal companion entry, but i dont get where that +8 perception came from:

Quote:


Wolf Animal Companion (Level 4 Druid)
N Medium animal
Init +3; Senses low-light vision, scent; Perception +8


shadowkras wrote:

I don't normally necro old threads, but when i do it's for a good reason.

I noticed you told him to ignore the bestiary entry and use only the animal companion entry, but i don't get where that +8 perception came from:

Quote:


Wolf Animal Companion (Level 4 Druid)
N Medium animal
Init +3; Senses low-light vision, scent; Perception +8

Perception is a class skill for animal companion. He wis gives him a bonus, and he's putting his skills into it.


Well he said he didnt do the animal skills.

Even so, a wolf's wisdom is 12 (+1).
At 4th level, an animal companion has 4 skill ranks, he would need to put all his ranks into Perception to obtain +8.


right so he made an error, Either on the perception or on saying he didn't do the skills. I didn't read his full thing to see that he had said he didn't do skills.

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