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UndeadMitch |
I think it's rough for some people to get boons, Mitch. ;)
Have: Mendev Weapon Training
Want: Hypnotic Training -or- Loci Spirit RitualI'd love to get a Retrain Boon if there's one floating around out there, but they're still thin on the ground. My poor -1.
True, but the disconnect comes when buying boons with money is frowned upon, but it's okay when the money is in the form of Paizo credit? If it was just once in while it might be a different matter, but when three people are all offering to buy boons with Paizo credit in rapid succession start to get a little murky for me.
Pirate Rob |
UndeadMitch wrote:And if Paizo decides it's a problem, they'll step in. No need to appoint yourself the unofficial boon police.Markov Spiked Chain wrote:True, but the disconnect comes when buying boons with money is frowned upon, but it's okay when the money is in the form of Paizo credit? If it was just once in while it might be a different matter, but when three people are all offering to buy boons with Paizo credit in rapid succession start to get a little murky for me.I think it's rough for some people to get boons, Mitch. ;)
Have: Mendev Weapon Training
Want: Hypnotic Training -or- Loci Spirit RitualI'd love to get a Retrain Boon if there's one floating around out there, but they're still thin on the ground. My poor -1.
I don't see any declaration of it being wrong or telling people not to do it or other 'police' like activity. I see him sharing his opinion that it makes him uncomfortable an opinion he should be welcome to share without being attacked.
Krell44 |
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As one of the folks who offered store credit for a Race boon I would like to respond. I have been playing Pathfinder for about a year now with my son, and we are having a blast. We do not have the opportunity to attend many conventions but would still like the chance to play one of the more exotic races at some point. I have listed a few non race boons on here as offers to trades, but I am betting that they are some of the more common, non-race boons so there is not much desire for them.
Seeing as this is a Boon Trading Thread, and people trade value for value I was simply offering something I did have available that might carry a specific value to another person. If nobody has what I'm looking for, or would rather not trade for it that is perfectly fine. We will continue to play at the local game store and in our home game and having as much fun as we have been having the past year.
DungeonmasterMark |
I GM at many Cons ( Gen Con ,Origins, Cincycon an others) so i get many boons that i don't use ( i gm only and rarely play)..
now that being said- i have no problems trading a boon for store credit... heck when you gm at gen-con the give you some store credit as a thank you.
I have traded boons for minis,books,store credit before in the past.
I am always happy if i can trade a boon away to someone who can put it to good use.. and if I am traded a book or store credit ( so i can buy more scenarios or modules) then i can GM even more..
now that being said.. i dont like people buying boons with cash...
but i do understand that folks pay $$$ to go to a CON ( gas...hotels..ect)
ok.... end of rant
UndeadMitch |
I GM at many Cons ( Gen Con ,Origins, Cincycon an others) so i get many boons that i don't use ( i gm only and rarely play)..
now that being said- i have no problems trading a boon for store credit... heck when you gm at gen-con the give you some store credit as a thank you.
I have traded boons for minis,books,store credit before in the past.
I am always happy if i can trade a boon away to someone who can put it to good use.. and if I am traded a book or store credit ( so i can buy more scenarios or modules) then i can GM even more..
now that being said.. i dont like people buying boons with cash...
but i do understand that folks pay $$$ to go to a CON ( gas...hotels..ect)ok.... end of rant
So, what's the difference between somebody paying $50 US for a boon and $50 Paizo credit?
Wei Ji the Learner |
There was a distinction made under a previous campaign coordinator that was made in an effort to shut down the idea of folks going to Ebay and selling off boons in a massive bidding war.
The Paizo credit keeps the boon 'in-house', as it were, from my understanding.
I only offered credit because the boons I've been offering have been getting *no* responses and I'd really like to get an Oread sometime before I die of old age to round out the Suli creation package.
If you took offense at this, I apologize, but I'm not seeing much in the way of other options?
UndeadMitch |
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There was a distinction made under a previous campaign coordinator that was made in an effort to shut down the idea of folks going to Ebay and selling off boons in a massive bidding war.
The Paizo credit keeps the boon 'in-house', as it were, from my understanding.
I only offered credit because the boons I've been offering have been getting *no* responses and I'd really like to get an Oread sometime before I die of old age to round out the Suli creation package.
If you took offense at this, I apologize, but I'm not seeing much in the way of other options?
To my knowledge, the intent was that selling boons was frowned upon. Not that selling boons was frowned upon unless Paizo gets a piece of the action. Now, Mike Brock never commented on exchanging Paizo credit (that I can recall), but I feel that it's still selling boons. There are others that apparently feel differently, and they can do as they please, and this is all I really feel like saying on the subject.
Kalindlara Contributor |
Before someone brings up Play-By-Post: I really don't want to ruin 4-6 players' fun that badly, especially as a PFS GM, and thus a representative of Pathfinder Society.
Sorry if that comes off as harsh. I just want to play what I like - this whole "you don't deserve to play a changeling if you can't go to a con" attitude is what kept me from feeling welcome in PFS for years.
DrParty06 |
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Wei Ji the Learner |
Revised so as not to tromple on sensitivities.
Desired: Oread (to round out a Suli creation package) OR a Suli.
Offering: Undisclosed appropriate negotiated compensation that may or may not include the Pathfinder Apprentice Boon (who doesn't want a minion?).
Would offer a couple of the Gen Con one-offs, but they're hardly worth the paper they're printed on, based on demand in this thread.
cartmanbeck RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16 |
Updating my list of haves:
Want:
Arueshalae boon for PACGuild
Most Race boons (PM offers?)
Have:
Lingering Resonance
Debt to Society
Personal Physician
Paizocon 2015 GM boon (extra trait from Giantslayer Handbook, Just What I Wanted for Card Game)
Translator
Xenophile
Adopted Weapon Training
Custom Order
Expanded Narrative x2
Xenophobia
Triple-race boon (currently useless)
WaningMoon |
Wow, so much controversy over credit trades. If someone wants to spend 150 bucks on an aasimar boon then let 'em. I personally don't see the point of spending money on a piece of paper that is rendered useless once you hit lvl 12, or die, or get imprisoned if you play that one scenario. I think it's fun networking and forging trades for other boons, but that is just me. On the other hand, if I were offered decent store credit for a boon I'd consider it.
TomG |
If someone wants to spend 150 bucks on an aasimar boon then let 'em.
Only half-tongue-in-cheek. Sure! I'll have one soon, and would take that offer....
Although, yes, I understand—and agree with—the principle of not exchanging boons for money.
What I really popped in to post is this:
The whole idea of trading boons is a bit odd to me. They are rewards for a particular action, and not necessarily tied to a particular person. But trading them treats them like payment for service (a good or commodity) rather than an award for appreciation. I'm not saying trading is wrong, just that I'm not yet attuned to the idea, even though I see it as a way to get boons I would otherwise never have access to.
More interestingly, as Paizo (nor anyone else that I've found) doesn't keep a list of boons and their meanings, a trade thread means very little to someone not in "the know". Google helps with some of these, but not all. (Some occasionally are listed on the Paizo blog, but that's not universally true.)
It's a question for a different thread, but if there are many unused (tradable) boons floating out there, does that mean Paizo gives away too many or that their pool of recipients is to narrow?
UndeadMitch |
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More interestingly, as Paizo (nor anyone else that I've found) doesn't keep a list of boons and their meanings, a trade thread means very little to someone not in "the know". Google helps with some of these, but not all. (Some occasionally are listed on the Paizo blog, but that's not universally true.)
Here is a list of the boons and what they do, for your perusal.
TomG |
Here is a list of the boons and what they do, for your perusal.
Thanks. I've seen it previously, and even shared it. But not only is that list incomplete, it's also unofficial.
I've heard (unsubstantiated) rumor that Paizo discourages such lists as it encourages "boon shopping" (in the meta-gaming sense that a player seeks out particular scenarios or boons for a specific character concept).
Edited to add: I don't wish to be a wet blanket on the boon trading thread. If there was an official issue with it, I think it would have been shut down long ago, rather than stickied. I'm just saying the idea takes some getting used to, and seems incongruous with how Paizo otherwise treats boons.
DrParty06 |
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I've heard (unsubstantiated) rumor that Paizo discourages such lists as it encourages "boon shopping" (in the meta-gaming sense that a player seeks out particular scenarios or boons for a specific character concept).
They discourage boon shopping for scenarios, i.e. knowing what's on a chronicle before you choose what character you will play in that scenario. It is still somewhat inevitable as someone has to GM, meaning that they will be able to place that chronicle on whatever character they want, and if they play the scenario later, can choose a character they want for that scenario. Doesn't always happen, but players that know what boons are available can influence the way the table plays in order to try and obtain them, which is bad for the table experience.
Ascalaphus Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden |
It's a question for a different thread, but if there are many unused (tradable) boons floating out there, does that mean Paizo gives away too many or that their pool of recipients is to narrow?
I think another explanation is that some boons are so specific that there are a lot of niche boons floating around that will only benefit a small % of characters, so it makes perfect sense to trade them.
Jayson MF Kip |
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TomG wrote:I think another explanation is that some boons are so specific that there are a lot of niche boons floating around that will only benefit a small % of characters, so it makes perfect sense to trade them.
It's a question for a different thread, but if there are many unused (tradable) boons floating out there, does that mean Paizo gives away too many or that their pool of recipients is to narrow?
The people who have boons are typically people who GM a lot.
The people who want boons are typically people who play a lot.GreySector RPG Superstar 2013 Top 8 |
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UndeadMitch wrote:Here is a list of the boons and what they do, for your perusal.Thanks. I've seen it previously, and even shared it. But not only is that list incomplete, it's also unofficial.
If you are aware of boons that aren't on the list please PM me with their information. I'd love to add them!
Markov Spiked Chain |
They discourage boon shopping for scenarios, i.e. knowing what's on a chronicle before you choose what character you will play in that scenario. It is still somewhat inevitable as someone has to GM, meaning that they will be able to place that chronicle on whatever character they want, and if they play the scenario later, can choose a character they want for that scenario.
Is that really discouraged for GMs? I thought that was kind of one of the incentives/rewards for GMing.
Kalindlara Contributor |
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Quote:They discourage boon shopping for scenarios, i.e. knowing what's on a chronicle before you choose what character you will play in that scenario. It is still somewhat inevitable as someone has to GM, meaning that they will be able to place that chronicle on whatever character they want, and if they play the scenario later, can choose a character they want for that scenario.Is that really discouraged for GMs? I thought that was kind of one of the incentives/rewards for GMing.
No, just for players. If you have no knowledge of a scenario, you shouldn't be able to check the treasure and pick which PC to play based on that.
But boon shopping for GMs is perfectly normal. I know I made a point of GMing one that gives a special improved familiar just so I could apply it to a PC that can use that familiar. In that case, I knew about the boon on the chronicle from having previously played the adventure with a different PC.
Kalindlara Contributor |
Markov Spiked Chain wrote:Quote:They discourage boon shopping for scenarios, i.e. knowing what's on a chronicle before you choose what character you will play in that scenario. It is still somewhat inevitable as someone has to GM, meaning that they will be able to place that chronicle on whatever character they want, and if they play the scenario later, can choose a character they want for that scenario.Is that really discouraged for GMs? I thought that was kind of one of the incentives/rewards for GMing.No, just for players. If you have no knowledge of a scenario, you shouldn't be able to check the treasure and pick which PC to play based on that.
But boon shopping for GMs is perfectly normal. I know I made a point of GMing one that gives a special improved familiar just so I could apply it to a PC that can use that familiar. In that case, I knew about the boon on the chronicle from having previously played the adventure with a different PC.
I'm planning to GM some for similar reasons.
There's only one that I want to actually play for its benefit, and I don't know the statistics of the boon...
DragoDorn |
No, just for players. If you have no knowledge of a scenario, you shouldn't be able to check the treasure and pick which PC to play based on that.
I completely disagree with this statement, seeing as most people will only be able to get credit for a scenario once. Picking the right character to play a scenario is crucial in a play environment that restricts things as much as PFS does.
Kalindlara Contributor |
Ascalaphus Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden |
Kalindlara Contributor |
Kalindlara wrote:The scenario really makes you earn that one. I blew a star to replay it and it was still dicey.I'm planning to GM some for similar reasons.
There's only one that I want to actually play for its benefit, and I don't know the statistics of the boon...
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I don't really get a lot of options to play anyway. I'll probably just have to run it. sigh
In other (more on-topic) news, I've acquired a tiefling boon from a very nice member of the forum. Big thank-you!
Still potentially interested in a vishkanya boon...
Lord Valstaff Venture-Lieutenant, Texas—Houston |