I want to turn into a wolf


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However...

I'm a human bard. I don't want to cross class, but I'm open to any other suggestions.

What are my options? I figure the obvious is a wand or scrolls of beast shape I, but what else is there?


Ring of Spell Knowledge Type IV

Can you spare 24,000 gp and a 4th level spell slot?


Skill Focus: Any Knowledge skill
Eldritch Heritage (Arcane)
Improved Eldritch Heritage (Arcane)

The wand/scroll is probably better, though.

Why do you want to be a wolf? That might be a more important question.


Are you asking for a way to "be" a werewolf without actually being a werewolf?

EDIT: I'm with mpli, what is your actual goal?

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Get bit by a werewolf would come to mind. Other then this a ring or other magical items would be your best bet.

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True, I could become a lycanthrope, but I don't think I'm allowed to. It's for a PFS character.

I want to turn into a wolf more for how a kitsune can turn into a fox (well can with a feat). The idea is the character is an actual wolf who assumes human form and stays in human form almost always (because he's actually human, mechanically). But since I can't really do that as a bard, I'm open to other options so I can still, once in awhile, be wolf, sniff about, scout out someplace, or wander about in the wilderness without people going "hey what's that adventurer doing out here!"

I suppose I should have just made a druid, but I don't want to be a druid. I kinda wish I could be a druid with bardic performance and bard spells instead of druid spells. But I'm a bard, and I'm above level 2, so I can't reroll and multiclassing just isn't an option. If given the choice, I'd rather have the versatile performance and inspire courage than the ability to be a wolf once in awhile. But having both would be awesome.


Sorry, Dust Raven, I have no good news for you. Outside of beast shape I I don't have anything for you.


Dust Raven wrote:

True, I could become a lycanthrope, but I don't think I'm allowed to. It's for a PFS character.

I want to turn into a wolf more for how a kitsune can turn into a fox (well can with a feat). The idea is the character is an actual wolf who assumes human form and stays in human form almost always (because he's actually human, mechanically). But since I can't really do that as a bard, I'm open to other options so I can still, once in awhile, be wolf, sniff about, scout out someplace, or wander about in the wilderness without people going "hey what's that adventurer doing out here!"

I suppose I should have just made a druid, but I don't want to be a druid. I kinda wish I could be a druid with bardic performance and bard spells instead of druid spells. But I'm a bard, and I'm above level 2, so I can't reroll and multiclassing just isn't an option. If given the choice, I'd rather have the versatile performance and inspire courage than the ability to be a wolf once in awhile. But having both would be awesome.

Many many moons ago, during the heyday of...AD&D, I believe. I don't know personally as I was only a blob back then. The bard was originally an offshoot of the Druid, which is historically true as they are the lore keepers. The only evidence of this that has carried over through the editions has been their cure spells. They were originally divine casters


Yup 1st ed a bard was a dual class fighter/thief/druid. ... not sure if independant research is viable in PFS but that might work.

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gourry187 wrote:
Yup 1st ed a bard was a dual class fighter/thief/druid. ... not sure if independant research is viable in PFS but that might work.

It isn't.


Have you considered playing a Kitsune but styling it as a Grey or Artic Fox? Granted that may not be thematiclly what you are thinking but visually it is closer.

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In your specific situation I'll just say this. What you want CAN be done, is PFS legal and is actually a permanent option you can find in one of the available scenarios.

spoiler:

In wonders of the weave there is an object designed specifically for what you are asking for.

Canid Carcanet (15,000 gp; This amulet grants its wearer a permanent speak with animals effect to communicate with dogs, hyenas, and doglike animals. Three times per day, the carcanet’s wearer can take the shape of a Small or Medium canine [dog, fox, jackal, wolf, etc.] or a hyena as per the beast shape I spell [CL 5th].)

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Mathwei ap Niall wrote:

In your specific situation I'll just say this. What you want CAN be done, is PFS legal and is actually a permanent option you can find in one of the available scenarios.

** spoiler omitted **

He might have a slight problem buying that as a second level character much less qualifying for the chronicle in the first place.

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Dust Raven wrote:
I want to turn into a wolf more for how a kitsune can turn into a fox (well can with a feat). The idea is the character is an actual wolf who assumes human form and stays in human form almost always (because he's actually human, mechanically). But since I can't really do that as a bard, I'm open to other options so I can still, once in awhile, be wolf, sniff about, scout out someplace, or wander about in the wilderness without people going "hey what's that adventurer doing out here!"

Then they'd just say "What's that wolf doing out there?! Let's kill it!"

Wolves were considered dangerous things to be killed on sight in most midieval communities. And not without reason. There were even incidents of wolf packs actually invading small hamlets and thorps and busting into the houses within.

If you're looking for a creature type that would pass without notice, wolf is one of your worst choices.

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Worship Lamashtu or one of the goblin barghest heroes, and nab a Great Barghest Hero Cloak for 2,800gp.

Easiest, and cheapest path.


Find a high level druid. The druid casts Baleful Polymorph and turns you into a wolf of small size or a wolf pup. Then the druid casts Awaken. The druid must make a will save DC 10 + your current HD. "An awakened animal gets 3d6 Intelligence, +1d3 Charisma, and +2 HD."

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Mapleswitch wrote:
Find a high level druid. The druid casts Baleful Polymorph and turns you into a wolf of small size or a wolf pup. You will be reduced to 1 HD during the middle of this. Then the druid casts Awaken. The druid must make a will save DC 10 + your current HD. "An awakened animal gets 3d6 Intelligence, +1d3 Charisma, and +2 HD."

polymorph and awaken are illegal in PFS.

If it was, a small wolf is not a "harmless creature." And, you better hope you make the second will save to retain your humanity and class levels.

Your best bet are scrolls or a wand of beast shape I.


I haven't read where yet. Do you know where this is printed?

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Mapleswitch wrote:
Find a high level druid. The druid casts Baleful Polymorph and turns you into a wolf of small size or a wolf pup. Then the druid casts Awaken. The druid must make a will save DC 10 + your current HD. "An awakened animal gets 3d6 Intelligence, +1d3 Charisma, and +2 HD."

This is entertaining. I doubt you could pull this off at low level though.


I could see how if someone passed their will save for the baleful polymorph, they would not be able to be awakened due to having too high of an int. People can willfully fail a save to reduce their int to 2.

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Mapleswitch wrote:
I haven't read where yet. Do you know where this is printed?

The Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play. They are under the short list of banned spells from the Core Rulebook, along with permanency and some others.


3.5 specified harmless creature. I do not see in the spell description where it specifies harmless bunny or fish anymore.


The Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play
http://paizo.com/products/btpy84k4


Deidre Tiriel wrote:
Mapleswitch wrote:
I haven't read where yet. Do you know where this is printed?
The Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play. They are under the short list of banned spells from the Core Rulebook, along with permanency and some others.

That's stupid if they don't want us to use the spell they should not put it into their books banned spells that is.


I have read the 1st and the 4th (first and last) errata in relation to the core rules book and see nothing about the Awaken/Baleful Polymorph combo.

Permanency does come up:
"Page 319—In the description of the permanency
spell, change the cost associated with a wall of force
to 12,500 gp."

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Mapleswitch wrote:
I have ctrl+f all the erratas for 'awaken', 'baleful', 'polymorph', and 'banned' and nothing comes up in relation to your accusations that paizo has banned or otherwise corrected the wolf baleful polymorph I suggested earlier.

Paizo has not banned either spell for general play. However, neither spell is legal for Pathfinder Society organized play. Read the Pathfinder Society Guide to Organized Play.


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The spells are not banned for home games; they are banned for organized play, along with crafting feats and some other things, for ease of character portability from game to game and maintaining balance from table to table.

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Joana wrote:
The spells are not banned for home games; they are banned for organized play, along with crafting feats and some other things, for ease of character portability from game to game and maintaining balance from table to table.

Yeah, mapleswitch really isn't getting what we are saying, eh?


blackbloodtroll wrote:

Worship Lamashtu or one of the goblin barghest heroes, and nab a Great Barghest Hero Cloak for 2,800gp.

Easiest, and cheapest path.

This is your best option. YOu will have to be chaotic neutral though. Also keep in mind that you can't cast in your wolf form.

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You can not cast Awaken on beings already sentient. Even under baleful polymorph, you're still a sentient being.


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There's the winter wolf headband in Ultimate Equipment. "The wearer gains cold resistance 10. Once per day, the wearer may transform into a Large white-furred wolf for 11 minutes. In addition, once per day the wearer may breathe a 30-foot cone of cold that deals 7d6 points of cold damage (Reflex DC 16 for half). The wearer may use this breath weapon even when transformed." It's somewhat pricey at 32,000 gp, though.

Otherwise, you can always get a wand of beast shape I (11,250 gp) and activate it with Use Magic Device.

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