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Cthulhu-Spawn DM/crazy person

Glad to hear your out of that s*#+ty work environment Fredrick :)

Oh, and it took forever, but, I have restored Sajeek :P


Barbarian Shaman (Luminary Gwendalyn Shaughnessy the Giant Slayer)

Amazingly, I already have an interview lined up for next week. 8)

Sajeek:

* The spear is too big to use one-handed in melee, and two-handed means +50% Str bonus; so its melee damage is 1d8 + 4.

* The 2-for-1 deal on Animal Skills cannot be used to exceed the limit of character level + 3, so Animal Empathy and Handle Animal are both too high by 1 rank and 1 misc mod.

* We're using decimals for the ranks in cross-class skills, since the checkboxes aren't always right.

* Choose four spells: two for a hybrid class's starting spellbook (pg. 171), and two freebies from Xenh. You can learn Cure Disease and Minor Healing from your scrolls, but it would take 1 day and 100 gp *each* for studying and scribing.


Cthulhu-Spawn DM/crazy person

k, thanks should be ready now.

Oh and Loki and EJB, sorry I didn't post last night like I messaged. My phone said, "No." It's funny how a dead battery will stop one from posting at work.

Playing catch up :)


Piter de Colmar (Human Shadow Knight) The hour has arrived to abandon theories and go directly to what is practical.

When Jebiddah said" you are informed that if the other member's of your 'goodly' group want to travel to town under the protection of the guards and hopefully get a ship ride to another port city"

Did he say "ship ride" like it was one word almost (a ride on a ship), or did he pause, as if there were a comma between the words?


Game master

Get a ride on a boat. You will be singing " I'm on a boat"


Barbarian Shaman (Luminary Gwendalyn Shaughnessy the Giant Slayer)

Sajeek is looking good. With the additional skill points from increasing Int, you might take a second look at whether a feat at 5th or +1 to an ability score at 6th would serve him better than a cross-class skill rank and a point of cold resistance. But if you're happy then I'm happy.


Angels bleed from the tainted touch of my caress
Evil JB wrote:
Get a ride on a boat. You will be singing " I'm on a boat"

Will do the moment I'm done j~$zing in my pants.


Barbarian Shaman (Luminary Gwendalyn Shaughnessy the Giant Slayer)

...the most powerful blow of her life! Except, of course, for the ones where she was buffed by Pandemic and I forgot to include the +50% Str bonus for two-handed. Yeah, two of those were actually the most powerful blows of her life, and another "merely" equaled this one (since she cast Fleeting Fury on Sajeek first in that battle).


Teir'Dal Necromancer

Yes, this goodly battle is purposefully meant to freak everyone out in the thought of fighting Loki and his pet whichisimmunetofreakineverything!

<schemey fingers>


Piter de Colmar (Human Shadow Knight) The hour has arrived to abandon theories and go directly to what is practical.

EJB: What's your take on taking another class at the next level? For instance, what would be required for Piter to take a level as Bard?

The rules say it's up to the GM - you may require a mentor or training, or you may not...


Barbarian Shaman (Luminary Gwendalyn Shaughnessy the Giant Slayer)
Sajeek wrote:
Bast's attack and damage (I don't have the book with animals, so I am guessing a little here)

If you make a page for your warder, I can help you fill in the stats. :)

Revery wrote:
Revery feels a little bit useless, as his mind races through his possible spellcasting options. None suggest to him a good strategy

I thought that was the whole point of Eye of Confusion? That it can affect nonliving creatures.


Angels bleed from the tainted touch of my caress

Fredrik, if you'd like to start a hybrid good/evil group I would totally be interested in playing in it : )

Piter de Colmar wrote:
EJB: What's your take on taking another class at the next level? For instance, what would be required for Piter to take a level as Bard?

Bard is a class with a great deal to offer any group, but they are also very difficult to wend their way into a group as well. They confer tiny bonuses, which require a stupid amount of accounting to track (though your meticulous nature with the inquisitor might suggest you won't mind this), but keep in mind that most of the players in this group will forget to add them each time.

Keep in mind that in choosing this class you're running contrary to most any activity where the group wishes to utilize stealth. Loki is on board with you attracting all the attention you could ever ask for, but I'm not sure how happy you will be doing so.

Gwendalyn wrote:
@Revery: I thought that was the whole point of Eye of Confusion? That it can affect nonliving creatures.

Eye of Confusion will affect nonliving targets, but not undead since they are immune to spells of a mind-affecting nature.


Eh? I've been thinking of trying my hand as a GM someday, but whence the idea of a hybrid group? This is out of the blue from my perspective.

Xenh wrote:
Eye of Confusion will affect nonliving targets, but not undead since they are immune to spells of a mind-affecting nature.

Since [Mind-Affecting] is a formal spell descriptor (see Lull for example), I took that to be the meaning of the immunity. Comparing Fear with Spook the Dead, they're both Alteration [Compulsion, Fear] spells; the difference is that Spook the Dead is a lower-level, lower-cost version with a narrower target (one undead creature instead of one creature). So, the way I read it, even Fear would work on a skeleton, let alone a spell that merely clouds the senses (not the mind). And in keeping with my policy, now that I have stated my position, I will leave it at that. :)


Revery (Erudite Enchanter) in somnis veritas // Kspress (Iksar Monk) Your pain is the breaking of your shell.

I don't think it is a mind-affecting spell. In the spell, it mentions that it clouds the senses and that's why it affects non-living targets. I.e., it affects their eyes, or whatever sensory magical organs pass for eyes...


Angels bleed from the tainted touch of my caress
Fredrik wrote:
Eh? I've been thinking of trying my hand as a GM someday, but whence the idea of a hybrid group? This is out of the blue from my perspective.

Balance in Norrath can only come from a game that blends the extremes of the other two games that are currently in play.

You are that Guide. Welcome aboard!, and I hope you have a sturdy helm/codpiece.

/who all guide

Fredrik <Apprentice Guide> [Level 60]

Fredrik wrote:
Xenh wrote:
Eye of Confusion will affect nonliving targets, but not undead since they are immune to spells of a mind-affecting nature.
Since [Mind-Affecting] is a formal spell descriptor (see Lull for example), I took that to be the meaning of the immunity. Comparing Fear with Spook the Dead, they're both Alteration [Compulsion, Fear] spells; the difference is that Spook the Dead is a lower-level, lower-cost version with a narrower target (one undead creature instead of one creature). So, the way I read it, even Fear would work on a skeleton, let alone a spell that merely clouds the senses (not the mind). And in keeping with my policy, now that I have stated my position, I will leave it at that. :)

It really comes down to ones interpretation of "mind-affecting" or "[Mind-Affecting]", and I see the wisdom of not having to argue the merits of whether a spell is "mind-affecting" by descriptor, on a case-by-case basis (I doubt it would take long before I just start blue bolting party members in that situation), when there's a label that specifically states the ones that are "[Mind-Affecting]".

Revery wrote:
I don't think it is a mind-affecting spell. In the spell, it mentions that it clouds the senses and that's why it affects non-living targets. I.e., it affects their eyes, or whatever sensory magical organs pass for eyes...

This is actually what had me argue the way I had, since it is a spell that replicates the flash of light mechanic on a creature no matter what sense apparatus might be prevalent.

I accept Fre/very's ruling and I retract my previous position. Eye of Confusion will work on undead.

So it is written and so it shall be forever more...or until the whims of my mind change it like it never was.


Revery (Erudite Enchanter) in somnis veritas // Kspress (Iksar Monk) Your pain is the breaking of your shell.

Yaay!

(constructs have the same deal - immune to mind-affecting, not living creatures - so one might wonder what targets the spell is referring to if not constructs and undead)


Angels bleed from the tainted touch of my caress
Revery wrote:

Yaay!

(constructs have the same deal - immune to mind-affecting, not living creatures - so one might wonder what targets the spell is referring to if not constructs and undead)

Elementals maybe?

Tis a good question. If someone could find a creature or two that the spell specifically speaks of that would be appreciated.


Cthulhu-Spawn DM/crazy person

Thanks for the offer Mike :) I've got some errands to run today, so I probably start working on it tomorrow morning when I get out of work.


Revery (Erudite Enchanter) in somnis veritas // Kspress (Iksar Monk) Your pain is the breaking of your shell.

Offer?

<confused/>


Cthulhu-Spawn DM/crazy person

yeah, ya know the offer? don't you remember? you signed in blood and everything? don't worry, I have somethings on their way to collect (;,,;)

uhhh, I totally meant Fredrik. Don't mind me, too many drugs, lol


Angels bleed from the tainted touch of my caress
Gwendalyn wrote:
If you make a page for your warder, I can help you fill in the stats. :)
Tentacledone wrote:
Thanks for the offer [Fredrik] :)

I have a placeholder ready for Bast ready (here) and just need the MW link to make it a link to the warder and not just a second link to the BL.


Hmmmmmm. I can't really give the idea of a new game much attention during my job search; I have plenty of time, but it's taken up with things like freaking out over my lack of income and mentally rehearsing interviews. We'll see next week.


Angels bleed from the tainted touch of my caress
Fredrik wrote:
Hmmmmmm. I can't really give the idea of a new game much attention during my job search; I have plenty of time, but it's taken up with things like freaking out over my lack of income and mentally rehearsing interviews. We'll see next week.

When you make the right decision, and agree to run a game, let me know and I'll play a Wood Elf Bard who teleported back home after a harrowing ordeal aboard a slaver's ship : )

<wonders who wants to be a dwarven cleric who took a vow of silence>


Oh please, Khae's a total DMPC. :p

What do you think of the Leadership feat? If we survive long enough, I'm thinking of bringing Tudan in as Gwendalyn's cohort. It would currently take until 7th level to get enough training points, so there's no rush. Just throwing the idea out there.


Angels bleed from the tainted touch of my caress
Fredrik wrote:
What do you think of the Leadership feat? If we survive long enough, I'm thinking of bringing Tudan in as Gwendalyn's cohort. It would currently take until 7th level to get enough training points, so there's no rush. Just throwing the idea out there.

As a roleplaying mechanic to lure other people to the new city you're creating, I think it's a worthy feat for every member of the party.

As something that will affect that day-to-day play of the group, either forcing me to run more people in the group/adding to my work load (the fastest way to watch me kill someone off), or have the players play more than their one player (please see previous conversation where I nixed boxing), not so much.

I am expanding the background mechanics purposefully to help to flesh out the likely occupants of the city you're planning on fashioning : )


Game master

Well if you want to Multi class, you are going to Freeport in the evil game, thus we can work something out, as long as you are not going to cherry pick the multi class I will allow it. I'd say you will have to find someone to show you the ropes, as it is a new class for your character. If this was D and D and a tabletop game then we could just bypass the whole mentor thing, unless you were a fighter and then wanted levels as wizard, I'd make you find someone willing to train you.
Also side note the Evil game kinda went to the back burner this weekend, I picked up 4 new books and well, I couldn't put them down. Plus my Nexus 7 tablet broke (2nd one I've had) so I've been working with the person that broke it, (they are going to pay for the placement screen and guts of the screen.) Now if you had a really, really compelling reason and good backstory I might bypass the having to find a trainer.


Revery (Erudite Enchanter) in somnis veritas // Kspress (Iksar Monk) Your pain is the breaking of your shell.

I'm just toying with the idea at the moment. I'll let you know if I get more serious about it...

Anyways, it's good to know your take on it.


Game master

Well that's good, that you willing to consider it, not many players will or if they do, the player only takes a level or two in that class just to get one thing only. I say if you are going to muliclass and stick with it then more power to you.


Barbarian Shaman (Luminary Gwendalyn Shaughnessy the Giant Slayer)

@Sajeek: Going by the stats in Monsters of Norrath, Bast's normal bite attack is +6 to hit for 1d6 + 4 damage. Raising his Str from 19 to 22 with Talisman of the Beast would make that +8 to hit for 1d6 + 6 damage, and then another +4 Str from Fleeting Fury would make it +10 to hit for 1d6 + 8 damage.


Barbarian Shaman (Luminary Gwendalyn Shaughnessy the Giant Slayer)

Incidentally, Bast normally also has 2 claw attacks at +1 to hit for 1d4 + 2 damage each, or (with Talisman of the Beast) at +3 to hit for 1d4 + 3 damage each. Fleeting Fury makes that +5 to hit for 1d4 + 4 damage each, which still isn't enough to matter in this case.


Angels bleed from the tainted touch of my caress
Gwendalyn wrote:
Incidentally, Bast normally also has 2 claw attacks at +1 to hit for 1d4 + 2 damage each, or (with Talisman of the Beast) at +3 to hit for 1d4 + 3 damage each. Fleeting Fury makes that +5 to hit for 1d4 + 4 damage each, which still isn't enough to matter in this case.

An enhanced Spirit of Sharik Bast will do half damage, but will bypass DR since its attacks all become magical at that point.


Cthulhu-Spawn DM/crazy person

yeah, and when you don't have the mana to cast the spell, it's kinda moot isn't it?

yes, i am aware that the spirit of sharik give the cat a magical attack.

And i didn't have Bast full range of attacks because he made a move action to get back to Sajeek.

Since none of his attacks will do diddly, i don't give a flying f@$~ about his attacks at this moment. good looking out though.


Piter de Colmar (Human Shadow Knight) The hour has arrived to abandon theories and go directly to what is practical.
Evil JB wrote:
Well that's good, that you willing to consider it, not many players will or if they do, the player only takes a level or two in that class just to get one thing only. I say if you are going to muliclass and stick with it then more power to you.

I hadn't thought about how many levels of it I would take. Is there a problem with taking just a few?


Angels bleed from the tainted touch of my caress
Tentacledone wrote:
yeah, and when you don't have the mana to cast the spell, it's kinda moot isn't it?

When last we spoke you mentioned that your statistical allocation had failed to provide you with the mana reserves to be able to cast possibly the most iconic spell in your repertoire. I offered for you to juggle your attribute scores to rectify the issue. You accepted.

So it's only moot if something has changed, without my knowledge, and we're back to a BL that has a sub-18 to WIS : )


Cthulhu-Spawn DM/crazy person

that because i am a thundering great idiot and missed the "okay" part yesterday when we where talking about it.


Revery (Erudite Enchanter) in somnis veritas // Kspress (Iksar Monk) Your pain is the breaking of your shell.

The character's wisdom increased, but we have no control over players' ability scores!

:-p


Barbarian Shaman (Luminary Gwendalyn Shaughnessy the Giant Slayer)

FWIW, bite attacks do all three damage types, though claw attacks don't (MoN pg. 8). I didn't just buff Bast for giggles; I honestly expected him to help me wear the creature down faster.


Revery (Erudite Enchanter) in somnis veritas // Kspress (Iksar Monk) Your pain is the breaking of your shell.

Did I choose poorly, or are enchanter spells just lame?


Since you asked, I'm gonna be honest:
Enchanter spells are tricky to choose from, and I think that you chose poorly in some respects. It's obvious what to do with a magician (pets!!) or wizard (nukes!!). You seem to be treating an enchanter as therefore specializing in everything except pets and nukes, and that's not quite right.

Your direct-damage spells aren't as powerful as a wizard's, but they're still the spells that would see the broadest use. On a list full of situational spells, the one-two punch of Tashan and Chaotic Feedback is something that you would use all the time. Gate is of little use until you have Bind Affinity (unless you want to spend months sailing back to us from Erudin), and Bind Sight is incredibly situational.

There's also the question of which ones to memorize. Since you can only memorize eight (until you take Mystic Capacity), compare Fear and Eye of Confusion. Both can effectively take someone out of the fight for 1d4 rounds, Will negates, Spell Resistance yes. EoC keeps them where you can see them (and end them), for less mana, and at a higher DC. In the meantime, while you have both of those memorized, your scrawny butt is completely unprotected: no Shielding for AC, and no animation for a cover bonus against ranged attacks.

Enchanters have a lot of versatility that the other arcane casters don't have, especially out-of-combat. However, I think that you will find Brontide frustrating to play in such a dangerous world unless you prioritize his combat abilities as need-to-haves, and then fill him out around the edges with the nice-to-haves that make the class so interesting.


Revery (Erudite Enchanter) in somnis veritas // Kspress (Iksar Monk) Your pain is the breaking of your shell.

Well, I started off with the combat oriented spells, and then only recently added more situational spells because it seemed he needed more of them. Was planning on summoning my pet any minute now, before this combat happened...


I apologize if my attempt at constructive criticism came across as an attack. I have strong opinions.


Revery (Erudite Enchanter) in somnis veritas // Kspress (Iksar Monk) Your pain is the breaking of your shell.

S'okay, I'll get my revenge next time you're wearing that maid costume. Lots and lots of skin to poke fun at...

:-p


Revery (Erudite Enchanter) in somnis veritas // Kspress (Iksar Monk) Your pain is the breaking of your shell.

For future reference, Loki, Revery has Wilderness Lore too, at +4 (but no track feat).


Angels bleed from the tainted touch of my caress
Revery wrote:
For future reference, Loki, Revery has Wilderness Lore too, at +4 (but no track feat).

Oh, good to know, can't remember you using it. Noted for future need.

Is there a track feat in EQ? I'm far far from my books.


Revery (Erudite Enchanter) in somnis veritas // Kspress (Iksar Monk) Your pain is the breaking of your shell.

Yes. Only Sajeek has it, I believe.


Angels bleed from the tainted touch of my caress
Revery wrote:
Yes. Only Sajeek has it, I believe.

Ah, should have made it search rolls for everyone else then, since these were easy-ish to follow (DC 10).


Revery (Erudite Enchanter) in somnis veritas // Kspress (Iksar Monk) Your pain is the breaking of your shell.

For the record, Revery has read lips at +13 for common, +11 for Erudian (and Iksar).


Angels bleed from the tainted touch of my caress
Revery wrote:
For the record, Revery has read lips at +13 for common, +11 for Erudian (and Iksar).

If you're planning on reading lips, then you will need Sajeek to stare at them while they're flapping, and so far he doesn't even know you're doing this.


Piter de Colmar (Human Shadow Knight) The hour has arrived to abandon theories and go directly to what is practical.

Some questions for EJB...

Are we able to sell items at half their nominal cost?

I would indeed like Piter to take a level as a Bard. He will play the clave, a very simple instrument. Since Piter is from this area, can I assume he knows of someone who would be willing to train him?

Will be wanting to sell:
Longsword
Masterwork Longsword
Longbow
Glaive

and buy:
Masterwork Bastard Sword (yeah!)
Masterwork long comp bow, 18 STR
Masterwork Clave
Masterwork Thieves Tools

and some other stuff regular stuff.

Are there any magical lights of any kind for sale?


Angels bleed from the tainted touch of my caress
Piter de Colmar wrote:
Are we able to sell items at half their nominal cost?

If we are making our assets liquid, then the fair thing would be to distribute the proceeds equally, no matter what each person is wielding at the time.

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