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Scarab Sages

Rewatching might be a good idea, you seem to have missed some parts of the movie...

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Jason S wrote:
I'll have to rewatch, but I'm pretty sure he didn't start terrorist activities for the reason you listed. I'm also pretty sure that Stark didn't crack anything, it looked like he just wanted to get laid.

Not really. He was drunk and looking to get laid, and he solved part of the extremis problem in that state. Dear lord what this man is capable of creating when sober and focused.

Jason S wrote:
The problem is that Extremis just increases your regeneration speed, you're still a biological creature. Also, Extremis never made the user immune to heat and subjects were affected by fire like normal humans. So having a high intensity heat source on their hand would destroy your hand before any armor. Therefore... doesn't make sense, even within the realm of superhero land. If they were immune to fire I'd buy it.

Nope. If it did, people couldn't melt through walls. It obviously made them immune to heat up to 3000 degrees celsius, because after that they exploded and killed everything in the blast radius. So it makes perfect sense. And stop looking for logic in superhero movies.


If I understood it correctly, the Extremis regeneration process created heat. If you could "regulate" that properly, which was apparently a matter of willpower, you could use it to burn things or even breath fire. If not, you'd burn out and explode.

It's comic book logic, but it's not quite as silly as it might seem


Jason S wrote:
Slaunyeh wrote:
Well, some of us have the audacity to have a different taste in movies than you! In the interest of fairness, I think you should strive to post your reviews a bit earlier so we have a chance to know what we're supposed to think.

Blah blah blah. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course, I'm just surprised so many of you are satisfied with an obvious popcorn flick, especially when other Marvel films have been so-much-better. Iron Man 3 insulted the intelligence of the audience. What's next, Michael Bay directing Iron Man 4? :)

You and I are on the same page about this movie (I think I gave it a 5 out of 10), but we seem to be from a pitifully small group. I'm similarly shocked at how many good reviews it got.


Jason S wrote:
Nychus wrote:
The Warmachine armour stuff was actually dealt with since the government just can't resist tinkering with the suit they got AIM to do an "upgrade" on it specifically the OS again (repeating the mistakes of the previous movie I mean come on Rhodey) so taking it over and having sims for prospective pilots to learn with wouldn't be that much of an issue.

I don't remember that part of the movie, when did that happen? Or are you just inferring from the comic book?

I do however remember Killian saying that he was doing this to get a defense contract with the US and needed funding. If he already had the contract, he wouldn't need either.

They were attempting to gain control of the White House and provide pretense for their puppet president stepping up Military spending.

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Nychus wrote:
I'm pretty sure that the plan was not to actually kill him, but they got thrown off by his armor being more advanced than they were expecting.
It looked like they wanted to kill him to me when they fired several rockets into his home.

I'm not sure why you're attributing what I said to someone else, but this is my inference based on their later actions in the movie, and the fact that their agent just happened to be with Stark and Pepper at the time the attack.

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I'll have to rewatch, but I'm pretty sure he didn't start terrorist activities for the reason you listed. I'm also pretty sure that Stark didn't crack anything, it looked like he just wanted to get laid.

No, these things happened, they're explicitly shown/stated to be the case during the movie. The first is the conclusion of Stark's investigation in Tennessee, the latter is shown when the flash back to the morning after and show that drunk Stark had written the entire formula on the back of his name tag that he left for Hansen.

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The problem is that Extremis just increases your regeneration speed, you're still a biological creature.

Again, no. It rewrote the "repair center" by filling in a "missing" spot of DNA to basically turn people into super humans, this is how Killian went from super awkward nerd to Guy Pearce in a suit, super regeneration was just one aspect of the powers.


Jason S wrote:
I'm just surprised so many of you are satisfied with an obvious popcorn flick, especially when other Marvel films have been so-much-better.

To paraphrase: "I'm surprised so many of you liked this movie, when I like other movies much better."

I get that you didn't enjoy it. But I don't get how it can come as a surprise to you that others did.

Also, as for the attack on Stark's house, I really liked that part. It's always struck me a bit odd how Stark is both the most obvious about his real identity, while simultaneously being the most vulnerable (seriously, if Iron Man pisses you off, all it takes is a high powered rifle and him showing up for the Oscars or something).

I liked that scene because it really highlighted just how vulnerable he really is.

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Jason S wrote:
Nychus wrote:

This is the same universe where a serum can create Super Soldiers and Hulks; where mutants and Human Torch type characters exist by virtue of being humans with slightly different/altered DNA.

And it didn't just give them "regeneration" powers it rewrote a section of DNA, allowing it to give people whatever power you could figure out how to program in to it.

The problem is that Extremis just increases your regeneration speed, you're still a biological creature. Also, Extremis never made the user immune to heat and subjects were affected by fire like normal humans. So having a high intensity heat source on their hand would destroy your hand before any armor. Therefore... doesn't make sense, even within the realm of superhero land. If they were immune to fire I'd buy it.

Actually, Extremis did make people immune to fire (or at least resistant). In the diner, Tony makes a little fire barrier to stop the lady, and she walks through it with little problem.

When he explodes the place, it's the concussion from the blast combined with landing on some power lines and getting electrocuted that kills her.


”Hama” wrote:
Nope. If it did, people couldn't melt through walls. It obviously made them immune to heat up to 3000 degrees celsius, because after that they exploded and killed everything in the blast radius. So it makes perfect sense. And stop looking for logic in superhero movies.

Well, they weren’t immune to heat like I previously stated. They were severely injured multiple times by fire in the movie.

Even if the hand was somehow immune (yeah right) when they produced heat, the rest of their body is not, and a heat source of that intensity would cause even their body to dissolve at that distance (even with regeneration).

Please note the fire component of the Extremis caused them to explode and die… a non-immune and non-favorable reaction.

Human torch can’t blast through Iron Man’s armor in a single shot, but Extremis can? I guess it’s a good idea Stark wasn’t using the same armor in Avengers… or he would have been f+$!ed! :)

Even with superhero movies, you have a scope of what is possible, and what’s not possible based on the logic of previous movies and the known world. For example, Potts martial arts ability at the end of the movie, Extremis or not.

You liked Killian as a villain, I do not. /shrug

Ninja in the Rye wrote:
They were attempting to gain control of the White House and provide pretense for their puppet president stepping up Military spending.

OK, so it wasn’t AIM that was doing it, it was the VP who *might* have had the access codes to the Warmachine armor. It’s a stretch, but possible.

Still doesn’t explain how easily (and quickly) Extremis disabled Warmachine (without further use of Extremis) and as soon as Rhodes left it was fully operational again.

Ninja in the Rye wrote:
Stark was targeted because he'd manage to crack the Extremis formula while drunk over a decade earlier, and would have either been capable of stabilizing the formula or developing a way to shut it off.

Stark was targeted because of a grudge and because he made threats against the Mandarin. If they really wanted his help in improving the formula, they wouldn’t have tried to kill him multiple times. They would have kidnapped him prior to any other developments. I guess we have a difference of opinion on what warrants an attempt to kill.

It’s like someone else said, it seemed like Black wanted to make an action movie with Stark, not a super hero movie with Ironman. And a bait-and-switch with the Mandarin.

Hey, I didn’t like the movie. I like the other Marvel movies because they don’t have “Michael Bay” breaks in logic (hate Bay btw). It’s my opinion and I respect your opinions... they just aren't mine.


Jason S wrote:

I just saw this and while the special effects were great, the overall movie and story were extremely weak. The suck factor was very high.

The motivation of the main villain was hilariously weak.** spoiler omitted **

The main villain's powers made no sense at all. ** spoiler omitted **

So many inconsistencies and so many things made no sense at all. ** spoiler omitted **...

Did you even watch the movie? Or did you just went to hate the movie? This is why I generally ignore other people's reveiws....

Anyway for the record AIM is much more than some biological company.


Jason S wrote:
Human torch can’t blast through Iron Man’s armor in a single shot, but Extremis can? I guess it’s a good idea Stark wasn’t using the same armor in Avengers… or he would have been f@%@ed! :)

Well, the comic book human torch probably could if he really wanted to. He's capable of flash vaporizing steel when he goes nova. Of course comic book Iron Man is more advanced than the movie version and has energy absorbing /force field effects as part of his armor. The movie versions of heroes are generally weaker than their comic book counterparts though.

In the movie the Extremis enhanciles were actually grabbing hold of the armor and forcing contact. It wasn't just heat, it was heat and high level super strength.

Jason S wrote:
Ninja in the Rye wrote:
Stark was targeted because he'd manage to crack the Extremis formula while drunk over a decade earlier, and would have either been capable of stabilizing the formula or developing a way to shut it off.
Stark was targeted because of a grudge and because he made threats against the Mandarin. If they really wanted his help in improving the formula, they wouldn’t have tried to kill him multiple times. They would have kidnapped him prior to any other developments. I guess we have a difference of opinion on what warrants an attempt to kill.

At the time they want you to think that Mandarin's attack on Stark is an attempt on his life because he'd pissed him off, but the later reveals about Hansen and Killian as well as Stark cracking the formula make it rather obvious that it was part of a ruse on the part of the villains. Their plan was most likely

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to get Stark to work on stabilizing Extremis with Hansen without Stark knowing that this was what Killian actually wanted
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