The Only Sheet |
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saw PCgen on the D20pfsrd site and it said it was free. Is it a decent product? Are there better ones for free?
I would consider the FREE TOS CORE much better than PCGen... I actually started working on my Character Sheet when I couldn't understand how PCGen worked... lol
You can read about TOS CORE here.
Berselius |
Anyone remember that Character Generator software that was included in the D&D 3rd Edition Player's Handbook? I often wonder why the hell Paizo Publishing won't give us something like? Hell, they could just include it as a one time purchasable online software you could buy, download, and update when you need to. Instead we have to make due to PC Gen and bloody Hero Lab.
Fake Healer |
Anyone remember that Character Generator software that was included in the D&D 3rd Edition Player's Handbook? I often wonder why the hell Paizo Publishing won't give us something like? Hell, they could just include it as a one time purchasable online software you could buy, download, and update when you need to. Instead we have to make due to PC Gen and bloody Hero Lab.
I really enjoyed that Character Generator, and would love to see one done similarly by Paizo. I doubt they would do it though. Not enough ROI for them.
Deanoth |
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Anyone remember that Character Generator software that was included in the D&D 3rd Edition Player's Handbook? I often wonder why the hell Paizo Publishing won't give us something like? Hell, they could just include it as a one time purchasable online software you could buy, download, and update when you need to. Instead we have to make due to PC Gen and bloody Hero Lab.
I actually hated that character generator. It was clunky and slow at best and at worst.. well it was not kept up to date and it was quickly out of date from all the mistakes in the book.
I personally am glad that Paizo has gone with Hero Lab being their software that they are supporting myself. While it is not free for us to use... it is very well done and it is kep up with with all the errata and the FAQ is even added to it. Not to mention it is kept up to date with added supplements when each new Paizo product is out. If you do not want to buy any of the supplements it lets you update it on your own through the editor.
PC Gen and the Only Sheet are nice but to me while nice it just does not have the beef I am looking for is all. It is free and they are very well done and I even used them for a long time personally. But as a GM I find that PC Gen is hard to keep organized for multiple encounters and a little hard to use in and of itself at the best of times. As a Player it is awesome!! But again a little on the difficult side of things to use.
The Only Sheet is great as a player too. But with only a few people keeping it up to date it is hard for them to keep up with the supplements of all the Paizo splat books. But again it is free and I do not expect them to do so... at least easily like Hero Lab does because of the lack of being able to pay editors and developers. This is both a good and bad thing. But The Only sheet is something I recommend on a daily basis with people I play with in Pathfinder Society organized play. Especially if they can not afford even the base core rules for Hero Lab.
Hero Lab, I find it is one of the best out there for character generation and encounter tracking!! Lone Wolf has gone to great lengths to do so. They listen to their fan base like TOS and PC Gen but because of the fact that they charge for their software is why they can do so. Some feel it is to expensive and my advice to them is to buy the core software and to choose Pathfinder. Once you get the core license... you are able to purchase the things you need to buy in packages for the most part. Such as the APG, UC, UM and even any of the campaign splat books. All of these are bundled as packages. By buying only what you need and nothing more then you are not paying for nearly as much. If you are like me and feel the need to own everything then I might suggest spreading the cost out over time and not feeling the need to buy everything at once. By doing this the cost is seemingly not as daunting and can be easily budgeted for over time then.
This is my two cents. I do not find TOS and or PC Gen bad.. just not fitting my needs as a person that runs 3 campaigns a week... Hero Lab does.
I wish you luck! :)
Breadcrumb |
Shameless self promotion here, I wrote (continue to write) an app for Android that's a character generator/manager/sheet/etc. Supports almost all classes (working to add the new playtest ones atm), races, racial traits, traits, feats, skills, multiclassing, spellbooks, equipment, effect (spells etc) tracking, potion/wand/rod/scroll tracking (number left etc). Attack rolls, list goes on really.
Have a free version to try out that works up to level 5 and a "pro" version. I don't know that I'll ever call it out of beta since I'm constantly adding features and trying to keep up with Paizos relentless assault of new material.
If it's missing something you need let me know I try to implement requests ASAP. Also have a crafting app on here too, and perhaps a Words of Power companion in the future.
http://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Polyhydra%20Software&hl= en
Hrolf_Halfdan |
I have been using PCgen for several years now and been through several versions and updates. The best thing I can say for it is that it is free, and it is hard to knock something that is free. That said it is full of bugs, crashes randomly often, and seems a bit limited if you need to make a character that is at all out side the norm for equipment or house rules. It is not bad, especially for free but it is not stable enough for me. Also every time I have updated the program to a newer version I had to recreate any characters as the old ones were not compatible with the new software. Often I could not even get them to open. It is good for making a basic character just save early and often cause it will crash.
LazarX |
Anyone remember that Character Generator software that was included in the D&D 3rd Edition Player's Handbook? I often wonder why the hell Paizo Publishing won't give us something like? Hell, they could just include it as a one time purchasable online software you could buy, download, and update when you need to. Instead we have to make due to PC Gen and bloody Hero Lab.
You do understand that WOTC outsourced that piece of garbage.
And I call it that because that's pretty much the opinion of most folks that tried to use it.
Paizo did something much smarter. They found a professionally done product that wasn't just cranked off the software bench a week after Pathfinder's release. Herolab already had a history with 3.5, and other game systems as a solid working product. So Paizo took it and gave Herolab the official seal of approval.
JohnF |
And Lone Wolf hands Paizo a nice check every month or so to be the official Pathfinder character generator. :)
No - Lone Wolf pay Paizo a licensing fee to use Paizo intellectual property. Nothing stops anybody else doing the same, should they choose to do so.
There's also nothing "official" about Hero Lab; it's a convenience tool for players, but nothing more. If I'm auditing a character, the fact that Hero Lab thinks the character has a particular BAB/spell DC/whatever means nothing; I want the player to explain to me where the number comes from.
Nylanfs |
It would depend on the license. Lone Wolf in the past has negotiated exclusive rights to be the only character generator (for non-ogl systems). I can not state categorically that they have in Paizo's case, I am certain that Rob definitely would have tried.
And by "Official" I was referring to the statements & press releases that Paizo and Lone Wolf have made in the past. Not that everyone must accept what is on the character sheet as truth.
LazarX |
Nylanfs wrote:And Lone Wolf hands Paizo a nice check every month or so to be the official Pathfinder character generator. :)No - Lone Wolf pay Paizo a licensing fee to use Paizo intellectual property. Nothing stops anybody else doing the same, should they choose to do so.
There's also nothing "official" about Hero Lab; it's a convenience tool for players, but nothing more. If I'm auditing a character, the fact that Hero Lab thinks the character has a particular BAB/spell DC/whatever means nothing; I want the player to explain to me where the number comes from.
And that is the way ANY character should be audited, irregardless whether it was handwritten, or put together by SuperDuperForge.
Umbranus |
Doing some necro here
That's odd, We haven't had any reports of major bugs that haven't been fixed in the last production cycle. Neither have we had reports of it crashing.
I've been trying out PC-Gen for the first time. I'm building a pc for game I was invited to and I was told they use PCGen to build and level their PCs.
I found several bugs while trying it out.
- It tells me my hospitaler paladin can't learn selective channel because he doesn't have channel energy.
- It applies the wrong stat modifier to AC for a pc with the nature's whispers oracle revelation. I guess it applies both dex (1) and cha (+4) because it adds +3.
- It tells me that my paladin's horse companion doesn't have the three natural attacks for multiattack.
- It states the norse's hooves as secondary but they should become primary once it is combat trained.
It counts the automatic cure light wounds spell the oracle gets as one of his spells known
I first tried out PC-Gen 6000RC1 and then downloaded PC-Gen 60400 in the hope that the bugs would be fixed in the newer version.
Nylanfs |
If you find bugs in PCGen please report them to one of these places.
Bug tracker system: Jira.pcgen.org
Email: help@pcgen.org
Doug Limmer - PCGen Data 2nd |
Here's a couple of quotes from the PCGen mailing list:
There is no planned Mac release. Apple has changed some important things they include or don't include, which has made it impossible for our new Mac volunteers to figure out how to create an actual Mac app build. However, the zip folder version can work on a Mac and is listed as the Mac download on sourceforge.
Andrew is correct. The most recent release of PCGen will run just fine on a mac. Here are the steps to get the software running on a Mac:
1. Download and extract project from this URL: https://github.com/PCGen/pcgen/releases/download/6.06.00/pcgen-6.06.00-full .zip
2. Navigate to extracted folder
3. double-click pcgen.jarNotes: You might get some warnings about opening software downloaded from the Internet. Go ahead and open it.
You might need to make sure that "Allow apps downloaded from 'Anywhere'". That setting is in System Preferences->General