Eidolon 'Trample' evolution, does it knock foes Prone?


Rules Questions

Liberty's Edge

Trample via the evolution says it operates like Overrun, which has a CMD check to knock things prone.

Because Trample has a line that says no checks needed, does a Eidolon automatically knock creatures prone when using trample? or does he not get to knock things prone at all or does he need to make a maneuver check? (which he automatically succeeds on?)

Not sure how to handle this, and I'm considering it for a new build and wanted the rules on it.

I guess I'm not 100% sure it would even get the knocked prone part, but wanted a second opinion.

Thanks.
WW.

p.s. Bonus question: Can you apply the Energy Attacks evolution to trample?


To knock a foe prone with an Overrun, you must succeed on the maneuver check by 5 or more. However, since no check is made or required, you cannot benefit from the additional effect. That's just my two copper.

P.S. Answer: I'm not sure, but I would rule yes. It is really hard to say that damage done by running over an enemy doesn't qualify as a Natural Attack. I would also rule that the save DC for half damage on a trample would apply to the energy damage as well.

Liberty's Edge

I think I'm leaning, no check to enter/pass through an enemy square, but maybe using a check for the prone part of it.


Winterwalker wrote:
I think I'm leaning, no check to enter/pass through an enemy square, but maybe using a check for the prone part of it.

That isn't necessarily unfair, but it doesn't seem to mesh with the Trample ability as it is written. The CMD would definitely be +5 since the Overrun knock prone only happens on success plus five anyway. Presuming that this is a PC, you need to ask the GM what he thinks because he would use the same ruling for the monsters that have Trample as well.

You probably don't want to run this exactly as Overrun. If you do, this means the enemy can choose to just let you pass by to not risk the prone effect and avoid all your damage. At that point, it is just a good way to get on the other side of the enemy.

Liberty's Edge

Ah good point. I didn't notice that. I'm guessing Prone was not intended for trample.

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