[Fire Mountain Games] Throne of Night


Product Discussion

701 to 750 of 1,388 << first < prev | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | next > last >>

1 person marked this as a favorite.

So in regards to Anaxagoras' above post, this is a common thing I've seen both in this thread and elsewhere about folk who are intrigued by Throne of Night only to be dismayed upon hearing its unlikely continuation and poor customer-service relations.

Although this post may eventually get buried in a few months' time down the line, I'd like to link to a researched blog post I wrote on the subject. It's a compilation of most of what's been going on with Fire Mountain Games the past three years concerning Throne of Night and related projects.


Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories, Starfinder Accessories, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Maps, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

That's a really good summary.

Grand Lodge

I like that Michael Clarke responded to the article, and found it to be a fair assessment. I can't say I disagree. I will point out two things that are missing from the entry though:
1) Everything seemed to go legs up after Gary announced he'd hired a new intern to handle finances, backer information, etc. to help keep up with the pace, and it'd allow him to go on his anniversary without worries.
2) Way of the Wicked had almost been completely playtested with his own group before he'd even started writing Book 1. This most definitely was not the case with Throne of Night. He likely didn't give himself nearly as much time, probably because he didn't remember that so much had been done prior the first time around. It doesn't help that he's essentially writing two AP's at the same time. Again, didn't plan for it very well.

I started running Way of the Wicked again, as of last night, and before everyone showed up, the host player showed me his printed copy of Bestiary 5. There's a ton of aberrations and other monsters in there that I've seen before in the bestiary sections of the released Paizo APs, and I still want to believe that now that it's out, my theory of Book 3 coming out by the end of this year is realistic, with Book 4 close behind. However, if my theory does pan out, and we do see Bestiary 5 monsters in there, that'll likely only make people more upset.


Why are you still sticking to the "McBride's waiting for Bestiary 5 to come out to finish up Throne of Night?" OGL content of released books are always going to be claimed by 3rd party folks if they're good enough. Doesn't automatically mean that someone's gonna base their whole product schedule around Paizo's release dates.

Grand Lodge

Libertad wrote:
Why are you still sticking to the "McBride's waiting for Bestiary 5 to come out to finish up Throne of Night?" OGL content of released books are always going to be claimed by 3rd party folks if they're good enough. Doesn't automatically mean that someone's gonna base their whole product schedule around Paizo's release dates.

I'm not "sticking" to anything. It's not like I'm fixated on it or anything. And you're only half right about the OGL.

As my publisher wrote to me, warning how to write things:
You can use content from it. Not fluff. And you cannot reference it. So if there is a feat you like in that you want to use for the start of a chain you have to reprint it.

Basically mechanics are fine. Story is off-limits by their OGC declaration.
At current, these are the only products you can

reference:
Exhibit B
List of Products which May Be Referenced
Last updated November 12, 2015
Pathfinder® Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook™ (PZO1110)
Pathfinder® Roleplaying Game Bestiary™ (PZO1112)
Pathfinder® Roleplaying Game: Bonus Bestiary™ (PZO9500-3)
Pathfinder® Roleplaying Game: GameMastery Guide™ (PZO1114)
Pathfinder® Roleplaying Game: Advanced Player’s Guide™ (PZO1115)
Pathfinder® Roleplaying Game: Bestiary 2™ (PZO1116)
Pathfinder® Roleplaying Game: Ultimate Magic™ (PZO1117)
Pathfinder® Roleplaying Game: Ultimate Combat™ (PZO1118)
Pathfinder® Roleplaying Game: Bestiary 3™ (PZO1120)
Pathfinder® Roleplaying Game: Advanced Race Guide™ (PZO1121)
Pathfinder® Roleplaying Game: Ultimate Equipment™ (PZO1123)
Pathfinder® Roleplaying Game: NPC Codex™ (PZO1124)
Pathfinder® Roleplaying Game: Ultimate Campaign™ (PZO1125)
Pathfinder® Roleplaying Game: Mythic Adventures™ (PZO1126)
Pathfinder® Roleplaying Game: Bestiary 4™ (PZO1127)
Pathfinder® Roleplaying Game: Advanced Class Guide™ (PZO1129)
Pathfinder® Roleplaying Game: Monster Codex™ (PZO1130)
Pathfinder® Roleplaying Game: Pathfinder Unchained™ (PZO1131)
Pathfinder® Roleplaying Game: Occult Adventures™ (PZO1132)
Pathfinder® Roleplaying Game: Bestiary 5™ (PZO1133)

It just depends on how involved the books are, and if he's trying to cut corners like so many PFS scenarios and APs that go "see pg X of Bestiary 4 for this creature". If he's cutting it close to page count, he might. The thing is, we have no idea. Everything's a guess. That's all this is for me. And it's all I've got left for straws to grasp on to. Even my faith's waning.

Grand Lodge

1 person marked this as a favorite.

I finally watched Battle of the Five Armies today. Mostly because I was waiting to see the extended edition. Bilbo got quite the neat gift. It's too bad the king was too insane to realize he should have kept it for himself, and given it at the end of the fight (much like it was pointed out in How It Should Have Ended). I don't know if Gary had any plans for making something along those lines being available, but even if he doesn't, I thought I'd present a version of it to you guys.

The Thrane's Gift
Aura strong (abjuration); CL 13th
Slot armor; Price 37,100 gp; Weight 10 lbs.
Description
This +1 moderate fortification mithral shirt is said to be able to stop any blade from piercing its links. While worn, the wearer gains DR 5/bludgeoning in addition to the 50% chance of negating a critical hit or sneak attack damage.
Construction
Requirements
Craft Magic Arms and Armor, limited wish or miracle, stoneskin, Cost 18,550 gp

Note: The DR 5/bludgeoning is the equivalent to a +2 armor property (as suggested by Rite Publishing's "Gash's Bane").


1 person marked this as a favorite.
gustavo iglesias wrote:


I feel sorry for the backers.

Feel bad for all the players and storytellers who bought the first two books on good faith. I am creeping towards the end of book two a year plus into a campaign...I can only stall for so long.

Grand Lodge

3 people marked this as a favorite.

Quite a few of you are at the end of Book 2, and desperately waiting for Book 3, or you're very nearly ending Book 2, but are stalling your players as best as you can. There are also those of you who have used Weslocke's own ending to the AP. Those of you have bought the pdfs, but were not part of the Kickstarter never saw the July update where Gary essentially summarized the next four books, and put up photos for what the PCs would be taking on. With it being December, I thought it'd be in line with the holiday spirit to copy and paste that summary here. I doubt I'd get in trouble for it given how things are looking at this point.

Remember, this is just a summary, and nothing more. There's lots of pictures on Michael's official sites that show that there's way more creatures that the PCs have to contend with than what the summary suggests. Namely, an underground magma dragon, another shoggoth like back in Way of the Wicked, a purple worm, and an aquatic sea life version of a charnel colossus.
I absolutely recommend his Google+ site and his main art site. The guy has gone above and beyond, and deserves the proper recognition for this troubles.

There's a lot here so I'm putting it in a spoiler. Also, there are likely those don't want to know the story via spoilers because they're playing it, and not running it. Don't want to ruin the surprise.

Summary of Throne of Night 3 thru 6:
Book Three: Death or Dammerhall
*picture of a castle with Dwarven statues surrounding it*

After the events of Book Two, the PCs should have discovered a route to the lost dwarven city of Dammerhall. They discover that road is hidden and concealed behind a living secret door that is as much a golem as it a method of passage. They must discover how to get past it by demonstrating their worthiness either by honest deed or dark deception.
They discover even before they enter the city that they are not the only ones interested in the goings on in the city. An agent of death, a psychopomp, has been sent to this plane of existence to track down the so-called King of Dammerhall, a corrupt dwarf of the old city who has achieved immortality using forbidden magic and dark pacts. She can be either a useful ally or a deadly enemy, but she definitely has her own agenda and the PCs must tread carefully around her.
*picture of a dark-haired lady surrounded by tiny spiders*

Finally the PCs discover the gates of Dammerhall and thus begins the overwhelming bulk of the adventure – a dwarven city exploration sandbox. There are dozens of points of interest, dangerous creatures and secrets to discover. There is great wealth, the potential to become the rightful high king of the dwarves and a deadly deathless enemy who wields a frightful weapon crafted by the dwarves of old at the full height of their power and craft.
*picture of a cannon golem awaiting the PCs*

As the book ends, the PCs may either reestablish a thriving dwarven city with them as its rulers or plunder this hulk for the wealth necessary to build an army to expand their ever-growing underworld empire.

Book Four: City of Night
*picture of a knife-wielding drow hiding behind a wall within a drow city, avoiding a drow mage*

The PCs either learn of the threat of a nearby drow city, Taaryssia, or perhaps bring their plans to get revenge against the queen of the drow who banished them to fruition. The journey to the city is not without is perils, but they pale compared to the countless dangers within this haven of evil. The drow city is a roiling cauldron of intrigue and treachery. Five drow nobles house vie for control of the city. The PCs (if they’re drow) likely come from the destroyed sixth house. Each house proudly wears amulets made of mithral and various gemstones to show their allegiances.
*picture of all six main drow noble heraldry insignia*

For dwarves, infiltration is possible, but you must always be wary of capture. If the drow capture you, they may force you into fight in their deadly arena. Is there any way to escape or will you die for the pleasure of debauched dark elf masters? Can you even rise to become a champion of the arena, earning a personal audience with the Queen herself?
*picture of two dwarves wearing mithral in the middle of a coliseum, surrounded by four drow on giant spiders*

Who can you trust? Which houses truly desires to see the queen deposed? Everyone has an agenda and the PCs must navigate this web of intrigue if they are to survive in this deadly city of the dark elves.
*picture of a drow noble with one blue eye and one green eye*

And perhaps even worse, the city is not populated merely by the elves. Taaryssia is a nexus of worlds. Portals open to multiple layers of the abyss and to other more esoteric planes of existence. Even the drow nobility of the city has crossbred heavily with demons and one of the houses is guided by a sinister marilith who may become friend or foe depending upon how she feels the PCs can serve her needs.
*picture of either a marilith half-drow or a drow half-marailith sitting on a throne*

And finally after negotiating its countless dangers and discovering its many secrets, there lies the queen herself. This merciless monarch of the drow will not easily give up her power to upstart challengers. And if she is not stopped, she will soon raise an army that could crush the fledgling empire that the PCs have been growing.
*picture of a drow army next to a demon army*
*picture of a drow noble woman with a glaberzu and another demon by her side*

Book Five: Sailors on a Sunless Sea
*picture of a jet black aboleth creature*

With Taaryssia dealt with either by war, assassination or alliance, the PCs began to realize that they may face an enemy greater than either drow or corrupted dwarves. Caravans start to go missing. Reports of strange aberrations appearing in the depths come to their attention. And everywhere there are dark omens that something of terrible magical power is awakening the deepest depths of the earth. To find out more and to reach these rarely visited depths, the PCs must cross the great Sunless Sea.
*picture of dwarves in a boat rowing down an underground river*

What soon becomes apparent is that the Sunless Sea is not one sea, but many, each with its own unique character -- a great subterranean network of waterways, dark islands and flooded caves. Some portions are shrouded in mists. Other seas boil like a hot cauldron over a ceaseless fire. Some are the domain of monsters never dreamed of by the sunlit realms.
*picture of a huge aberration shark*

There are strange tribes of weird creatures rarely even heard of by the those who dwell above. The PCs must conquer them either by guile or by force if they are make this epic underworld journey across the sunless sea.
*picture of an aquatic creature riding a two-headed sea mount*

And as they make this journey, their true enemy comes closer into view – a dark enemy below with horrid designs upon the realms above. These waters are not merely the home of monsters. This is the domain of the fearsome aboleth and they do not tolerate outsiders.
*picture of a boat filled with drow crossing waters, unaware of the aboleth dangers below*

Book Six: Dark Dynasty
*picture of what can only be describe as Atlantis in a snow globe*

In the deepest depths, the underworld grows strange indeed. The creatures here are utterly alien, bizarre and malevolent.
*picture of a multitude of intellect devourers*

The PCs began to learn that their ultimate enemy plots nothing less than dimming the sun so that their dominion can extend across all the world. It is a plan that they have already carried out on other worlds and their work on this one grows close to completion.

Finally, the PCs get to infiltrate the aboleth city only to learn that even the aboleth are only lesser servitors. They must navigate the non-Euclidian architecture of this timeless place and find the great engine that will be the agent of untold havoc. Will the PCs heroically save the world from annihilation or take control of the Sunkiller and use it to extend their own dark dynasty across the face of the world? Are they saviors of legend or will they be conquerors of a world cast into unending darkness?
*picture of an aberration guarding an eerily glowing crystal of the same size*

And finally the ultimate enemy is discovered – a horror from another world intent on making this world its own. Even the aboleth were only pawns of this transdimensional terror. How can anyone hope to oppose this mighty creature?
*a picture of what can only be described as Cthulhu (likely a star spawn) sitting on a throne*

That's all for now.


kevin_video wrote:
I finally watched Battle of the Five Armies today. Mostly because I was waiting to see the extended edition. Bilbo got quite the neat gift. It's too bad the king was too insane to realize he should have kept it for himself, and given it at the end of the fight (much like it was pointed out in How It Should Have Ended).

That mithril shirt was sized for a dwarf child. It would never have fit anyone in the Company but Bilbo.

Grand Lodge

Evil Midnight Lurker wrote:
kevin_video wrote:
I finally watched Battle of the Five Armies today. Mostly because I was waiting to see the extended edition. Bilbo got quite the neat gift. It's too bad the king was too insane to realize he should have kept it for himself, and given it at the end of the fight (much like it was pointed out in How It Should Have Ended).
That mithril shirt was sized for a dwarf child. It would never have fit anyone in the Company but Bilbo.

Was it? Maybe they specifically mentioned that in the book, but I don't remember that being mentioned in the movie. The wiki doesn't make mention of it either. Found on Reddit though that it was made for an elf child. A prince no less.

---------------------
'Mr. Baggins!' [Thorin] cried. 'Here is the first payment of your reward! Cast off your old coat and put on this!'

With that he put on Bilbo a small coat of mail, wrought for some young elf-prince long ago. It was of silver-steel which the elves call mithril, and with it went a belt of pearls and crystals. A light helm of figured leather, strengthened beneath with hoops of steel, and studded about the brim with white gems, was set upon the hobbit's head.

'I feel magnificent,' he thought; 'but I expect I look rather absurd. How they would laugh on the Hill at home. Still I wish there was a looking-glass handy!'

The Hobbit, Ch 12, Not At Home
---------------------
Crazy how much of a difference there is between the books and movies. Then again, apparently in the book no one saw the battle that damaged Thorin as Bilbo had been knocked out, and the story was through his eyes.


Have there been any updates? Anywhere I can look for some?


1 person marked this as a favorite.

This thread contains the most information / updates you will find.

Grand Lodge

Nothing so far. Hoping we get something for Christmas. If it happens on the KS page, we make sure to bring it here.


Is this guy still alive? Like when was the last time you all got an official update? I would like to purchase print versions of WotW which I know cant happen unless this whole situation gets back on track.

Grand Lodge

I actually had to go look it up as I didn't know, although I was right about the month. The last time anyone heard from Gary was Oct 29.

Scarab Sages

Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber
Gambit wrote:
Is this guy still alive? Like when was the last time you all got an official update? I would like to purchase print versions of WotW which I know cant happen unless this whole situation gets back on track.

You can buy print versions of WotW through DriveThruRPG


1 person marked this as a favorite.

I would love to have at least have the maps of Dammerhall, since it's the most essential thing in the Throne of Night campaign.

Grand Lodge

Sadly no one has that, but I definitely agree it'd be nice to have.


The Azathyr map is finally googleable :-) I still very much hope they offer it for sale.

The peek I was able to get at the tiny version of the full map did bring up a question, however - How are players supposed to manage a kingdom that stretches from Fastervalt to Dammerhall? It looks like more than 2, maybe 3 MONTH journey each way.


Has anyone here, who is possibly local, tried going to the physical company address? Anything there? P.O. Box? Maybe I should start a gofundme or kickstarter to send me there to find answers hehe.

In all seriousness, this is kinda sad. My DM ran WotW and we had a blast while we played it. It was fun and very diffrent.

I've played D&D and Pathfinder for over the last decade, but for the first time DM'ing I got a group of friends/coworkers together and seeing ToN I picked it up excited to take my first time DM'ing with something new and diffrent from standard fare. My group all love the adventure and its been a lot of fun all around. For my experience and first time players, and for me for my first experience DMing.

Shame on me for not doing my reading up first and discovering the problems that were already beginning to pop up at the time of my purchase, and buying the product based on my excitment and joy from playing WotW.

I'm at a loss now as to buying or not buying book two and contiuing on with it, espcially since the group is loving the adventure. So much so I've found myself singing up here on Paizo finally looking for answers and to add my own 2 cents to the frustation that everyone here is experience. :-(

I regained that hope this summer when I saw his updates on KS, the new art and a promise of SOON(tm). But again, silence for months on end and really a project that looks like it's dead in the water, beyond the occasinal tease and bait promise. Like the steam's early access came to tabletop, buy it and hope it finishes or at least isn't a money sink and flop.

I really feel for all of you who backed this KS. Had I been introduced to this a littler earlier than I was, I know I would be in with you guys giving money to this project. Infact it was one of the things that first let me to finding out the problems, becuase I wanted to see if I could still donate to them and get in on the fun and goodies that the backers would receive.

Anyways I'll [/end lamentations] here.

Is their a chance anyone could help me with a little of that googling for the Azathyr map?


I just did a web page search on throne of night poster map. One of the results was from photobucket. A tiny pic, but that's all I was looking for anyway. Delighted to get such a peek.


There has been a lot of debate regarding if this project has been abandoned or not.

The ONLY thing that still gives me any hope of seeing this project completed is the artwork. Michael Clarke (the artist) had said he was still getting work assignments from Gary. If Gary had given up on the project, why would he still be requesting art? Would Clarke do work first without being paid, knowing that the project is stalling?

Anyone have any ideas?


Was an errated map scale ever released for the Gnomish Ruins map in Dark Frontiers? I'm thinking it looks closer to either 50 or 100 yards per inch. Anyone know? Which scale did you use?

Me still looking forward to the 4 books left, especially 3 and 5. Pretty much an instabuy for me. Hope springs eternal ;-)

Grand Lodge

No errata for the map scale that I'm aware of. At least nothing was mentioned.


As a backer I have gone through my optimistic-pessimistic-optimistic valley with this project. Gary has said he will work on the final four books simultaneously and release them in quick succession or together. I think this makes more sense and will make work progress faster over all. I am expecting this campaign to be truly excellent based on what I have seen so far.

As a kickstarter backer I am funding a creative enterprise and I think it takes as long as it takes.

That said, I do wish current progress was communicated better. A monthly update to say what was being worked on would be sufficient for me. Clearly that isnt going to happen any time soon. I really do feel for everyone who started the campaign, expecting the writing to keep up. I know I will wait until we have a full set - though I am weaving the Rage of Demons campaign into mine.


I am still waiting for the whole thing to come out. I have not started or intend to until it is all out.


I ran WotW for my group and everyone had a blast. I had hoped to run Throne of Night as well but as we learned from Council of Thieves, never start an AP before it is fully published. CoT was only 2 months late and that was annoying. It has been what? 2 years late for ToN?

Until then there is lots of other great material to play.


In reality I expect nothing for at least a year. We play monthly so in reality that is one campaign for us. I can wait. Partly because it contains so many things I'd love to see done well - drow city - abandoned dwarf city - aboleth city.

RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16

Our group desperately wanted to play this, especially after having so much fun in WotW.

However seeing the delays, we elected to wait...

In the 2 years since, we have switched over from Pathfinder to D&D5e and our group loves it. I think it will be a hard-sell for our group to go back...so it looks like ToN missed the boat....

Grand Lodge

I had some high hopes. I'm not sure what I expect or don't expect any more.


Has anyone else done an outline of their own vision of the remainder of Throne of Night?


3 people marked this as a favorite.

This will probably be the Duke Nukem Forever of APs.


I like to think Gary will finish it, he is using a single artist, who delivers excellent work and it is almost guaranteed to be a success when released based on the quality of earlier work. I have Faith!

Shadow Lodge

1 person marked this as a favorite.
MannyGoblin wrote:
This will probably be the Duke Nukem Forever of APs.

Massively delayed and then finally released as nothing special?


1 person marked this as a favorite.
The Sword wrote:
I like to think Gary will finish it, he is using a single artist, who delivers excellent work and it is almost guaranteed to be a success when released based on the quality of earlier work. I have Faith!

Even if he finishes it, it's a failure at this point. The man's credibility is shot all to hell.

This thing was supposed to be completed, what, 2 and a half years ago?


2 people marked this as a favorite.

The original date was a year and half. We have had the PDF copies of 3/7 of the new material. There have been updates just not regular ones. We could be in a much much worse situation. I dont see anyone poo pooing Razor Coast now despite the fury during the wait.

History forgives if the quality is there. He's undertaken an overly ambitious Kickstarter AP, not commited mass murder.


3 people marked this as a favorite.
Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories, Starfinder Accessories, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Maps, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

The delay doesn't mean anything to me. It's the lack of communication that means he's lost my support.

When you run a kickstarter there's an obligation to keep your backers updated about what's going on. That doesn't mean "Hey guys, it's been ages since the last update - here's a picture." It means, "I've obviously missed the timeline I set out - here's the new one. I told you I'd send the AP instalments individually, as they were completed but it turns out I can't afford that so I'm going to post them all at the end."

If he'd done that, I'd be a defender. As it is, I'm much less likely to buy any project Gary is involved in. It's not important to me that people always meet the outcomes they intend to - sometimes life gets in the way, or sometimes they just make a mistake in blocking out their project (I presume both happened to Gary). What is important to me is that I'm treated me with respect. He hasn't done that - rather, he continues to treat me with contempt.


Good point Steve. As a backer I agree that it is the communication that is the issue - particularly setting realistic expectations. He is obviously going to struggle to get more kickstarter support. I suspect he wouldn't want it but you never know.

I guess my point is the products will speak for themselves and I will keep buying and playing his products if they continue to be of such high quality. He may never do another kickstarter but I won't speculate on another human being's career.

RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16

Fire Mountain Games would get all my respect back (no matter how long the delay) if he delivered a little more than promised:

E.g. double (triple?) stats the adventure for 5e. Added a book of NPC 'extras', etc.


1 person marked this as a favorite.
Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories, Starfinder Accessories, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Maps, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
The Sword wrote:
I guess my point is the products will speak for themselves and I will keep buying and playing his products if they continue to be of such high quality.

In my mind, there are a ton of good RPG products out there. I'm not able to buy everything I want which is high quality.

"People who have taken my money and then refused to explain exactly what they're going to do with it, once they fail to do what they said they were going to do" is a pretty easy filter to apply.

Next time Gary asks for money, I can give it to him or I can give it to one of the many other RPG companies who have treated their backers better.

In my mind, the distiguishing feature between Razor Coast and Throne of Night is not that Razor Coast has been completed. It's that Nick Logue stood up and said "I screwed up. Now I'm going to fix it" (with a fairly enormous amount of help from Lou Agresta and FGG, as I understand things).


True and I give a lot of respect to someone who does that.

However there was a substantial delay before that happened - longer than the one we are talking about here IIRC.

I'm just saying let's wait and see hey.


Adventure Path Charter Subscriber

I'm with Steve. There are so many great 3PP out there, who I love to continue to support, but Gary will never see another nickel of mine.

And I loved his first AP! But this debacle has soured me on him forever.


1 person marked this as a favorite.

TBH, I didn't love Way of the Wicked in the first place. There was a steep downhill decline in writing quality after book 2. Books 4-6 are an unabashed railroad, the plot is largely nonsensical with the hoops you have to jump through to get help for things characters of your level, likely Vampires or something, can and should be able to accomplish for themselves, and the encounters are waaay too easy.

I still enjoyed it well enough, but definitely not enough to wait with bated breath for almost three years with no communication one way or another like some people here.


Everyone is entitled to their opinion about any given product Rynjin.

Just for the purpose of establishing the facts though. The kickstarter was funded 2 1/2 years ago and we have received 3 PDF books and the electronic poster map so far and 43 updates, the last one in October.

I mean he is well off schedule and his communication is just not good enough, but let's at least be clear on the facts.


The last update I'd heard about was last June.


Nope - October. I'm a full backer.

To be clear, I'm not saying it is good... I'm saying it could be worse.


3 pdfs? What was the 3rd? Did the half-god adventure come out?

Grand Lodge

Guang wrote:
3 pdfs? What was the 3rd? Did the half-god adventure come out?

It was Way of the Wicked Book 7.

Grand Lodge

With the way things are going, Darklands Revisited and Blood of Shadows will both be out before the next release. Could be a lot of juicy material in those that could be added to the AP. One gets released next month, and the other in March. Just have to wait and see.


@The Sword: Well as you already says everyone is entiteled to their opinion. But some (more) empty promises and a(nother) piece of art is not "an update" to me.

I already knew that the artist does his job and I already know that the project is waaaaaaaay behind. So what exactly am I updated about?

"An update" for me would be if I was finally told exactly where the project stands and some educated guess when it will be finished (or even when interim targets will be reached). There is no need to whitewash this time either.

I´m absolutely with Steve here. I (and many many others) have given this man a lot of money. Even the money I personally have given him (over 300$) is a lot of money. At least it´s for me. Don´t know about you, maybe you are rich and don´t care. I need to work hard for my money. So what gives this man the right to treat me and all his other financiers (yeah.....we are his financiers and gave him money so he needs not pay interest to the bank) with disrespect, contempt and scorn?

And even if the "product will speak for itself" (imo it will probably say "Welcome to 2022, too bad for you that Pathfinder (in it´s current form) doesn´t exist anymore) why is that an excuse for the complete disregard this......person.....shows people who reached out and gave him their hard earned cash in good faith.

Give him more of your money if you like; if enough others do too he´ll just treat you like s**t again cause he´ll reckon that it´s ok to do so. I´ll never ever shoot him another dime meself.

And please do not compare this to Razor Coast. Yes, Razor Coast was very much delayed also and that was s$*%ty. But at least Logue had the guts, the decency and the manners to come clear with his funders. McBride has neither.

701 to 750 of 1,388 << first < prev | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | next > last >>
Community / Forums / Pathfinder / Pathfinder First Edition / Third-Party Pathfinder RPG Products / Product Discussion / [Fire Mountain Games] Throne of Night All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.