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"Race for the Runecarved Key" is being repeated at Tacticon, tomorrow. Who knows, they might be giving out the boon there. So fly to Denver, go to Tacticon and play tomorrow night.
Not nice, not polite, and definitely verging on being a jerk.
It was a special, one-time-only giveaway for completing the will only ever be run once, at the 2012 Gencon, Part 2 of Race for the Rune-Carved Key.
Part 2, from the publicity, will never be available to run anywhere or anywhen else.
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"Race for the Runecarved Key" is being repeated at Tacticon, tomorrow. Who knows, they might be giving out the boon there. So fly to Denver, go to Tacticon and play tomorrow night.Not nice, not polite, and definitely verging on being a jerk.
It was a special, one-time-only giveaway for completing the will only ever be run once, at the 2012 Gencon, Part 2 of Race for the Rune-Carved Key.
Part 2, from the publicity, will never be available to run anywhere or anywhen else.
There was no attempt at being a jerk. I am sorry you percieved it that way. I thought I was was giving out genuine information. Others have clarified and I was wrong. My mistake. Yes, the 'fly to Denver' could be taken as a little sarcastic, but the point was 'hey guys, I think the boon may be coming to convention near you.'
It was an honest mistake.
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17 out of 91 tables played in part 2. There were 9 TPKs. Mike Brock said it was by far the hardest scenario ever written. So the highest scoring tables out of each teir got a really awesome boon.
I died, got the goblin but lost my character I played... nothing like dying at the hands of Mike Brock himself.
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"Race for the Runecarved Key" Part 2 was run one time and only one time for credit (confirmed with the Paizo powers that be) event. It will never run for credit at any other event.
I understood it's not going to be run ever ever, credit or no credit. Not even to be released for non-PFS home game use. Ever.
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Dropped you in a vat of liquid lead or something like that right?
20d6 per round in it, and 20d6 for the next 3 rounds or something like that?
Round one our cleric was dropped took enough falling damage to reduce to one, then took the 10d6 from the molten lead.... I was at -9 when I got scooped up and dropped... we didn't even bother trying to figure out what killed me...
FYI Mike Brock scared the hell out of me roleplaying that nutso dragon.
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really i was there went to gen con and end up not playing it so missed my only chance to play a goblin... noy cool way not cool...
Sorry you missed out roger. As has been said in the other thread, Goblins in Golarion are evil, sadistic little creatures that would have a hard time adventuring and joining a group like the Pathfinder Society. They do not fit the feel of the campaign for a legal PC choice.
A special exception was made for the winners of part 2 of the special, who received one-time only boons to create goblins. As stated upthread, only 30 goblins will be seen in the PFS.
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I can understand you being frustrated by losing your chance to play a goblin, and you're not alone. A burden shared, is a burden lightened.
Take my story to lessen your load. I was not selected to GM the special pt 1, or 2. So, I'd resigned myself to missing the awesome. Ended up getting pulled cold into a half done session, and didn't get to put my name in the GM lottery to be in pt 2. So, even though I GM'd I didn't get the same opportunity that other GM's did to be selected to play pt 2.
You could also be like my friends Chris and Tracey who were killed by box text via time ending. No chance to get the goblin because some GM decided to not show up to pt 2 to run their table and they started an hour late.
What we can do though, is congratulate those who did have the extremely rare opportunity to get a goblin character, and play in their tables to share the experience with them, and remember in 36 sessions, that character will essentially be done. The limelight is limited as well even if it does turn on someone.
I hope this eases your pain. :-/
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it more of that i expect that after the release of the race book to see goblins (good alighed) to show up as a race... i mean some of the race that are alowed are much mean then the goblins... oh well i guess thats why i dm and not play... we've been push to start society locally on once in a while ocassion... but i'm probably going to dm...
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it more of that i expect that after the release of the race book to see goblins (good alighed) to show up as a race... i mean some of the race that are alowed are much mean then the goblins... oh well i guess thats why i dm and not play... we've been push to start society locally on once in a while ocassion... but i'm probably going to dm...
Because you can't play a goblin?
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Also it hopefully encourages everyone to show up and try hard in next year's GenCon special to see what reward they cook up next year.
Based on the issues with running a 2-part Special this year, it's pretty clear that we won't be seeing this format again. The Special will still be special, but you won't see a 2-parter again.
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it more of that i expect that after the release of the race book to see goblins (good alighed) to show up as a race... i mean some of the race that are alowed are much mean then the goblins... oh well i guess thats why i dm and not play... we've been push to start society locally on once in a while ocassion... but i'm probably going to dm...Because you can't play a goblin?
our primary living is Arcanis... which i tend to play dwarf and backup GM for... other than that we tend to play the pathfinder modules which others gm for... we kinda taken break from for the last 6month so that we could be ready for gencon... I've been the major push for society for the last year or so.. we played 2-3 but didn't report them... mainly due to people not have the #'s and the same characters... so society would be our back up for our back up...
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Also it hopefully encourages everyone to show up and try hard in next year's GenCon special to see what reward they cook up next year.Based on the issues with running a 2-part Special this year, it's pretty clear that we won't be seeing this format again. The Special will still be special, but you won't see a 2-parter again.
As someone who died to box text in Part II, there were definitely improvements that could take place on all the sides of the table. But there was also a lot of awesome in Part II. I don't think we have everyone acting like Charleton Heston screaming about how they blew it all to hell, with no hope of a future.
Preserve the awesome! Learn from our past!
Bring back the two part special.
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I understood it's not going to be run ever ever, credit or no credit. Not even to be released for non-PFS home game use. Ever.
Golly gee, this doesn't at all leave me feeling like PFS unfairly privileges people with the time and money to make it to one specific and fairly expensive event that's only ever located in the Eastern third of one of several inhabited continents!
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I was going to continue that train of sarcasm, but I can't think of a way to do so that doesn't involve comparisons to the current US presidential election, and that would just get me in trouble. So I'll summarize by saying that if you're right, that sucks out loud, and it goes several steps beyond "better pony up if you want a cool race boon" and becomes "better pony up because now you can't even read the stuff you missed."
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Based on the issues with running a 2-part Special this year, it's pretty clear that we won't be seeing this format again. The Special will still be special, but you won't see a 2-parter again.
That's too bad. The concept of the 2 parter was great, even if the implementation had problems. Maybe it's just too much work writing something that will only be used once. If it were shorter (2 hours), maybe that would be more feasible?
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Hm. I just made a post on this thread which is showing in my recent posts, but not on the thread. Let me try again.
I understood it's not going to be run ever ever, credit or no credit. Not even to be released for non-PFS home game use. Ever.
I really hope you're wrong. If not, that means that my not being able to afford to fly 2,000 miles to an expensive event which is only held once a year and only in that one location prevents me from even reading what I missed, let alone ever playing it elsewhere.
Incentivizing con attendance with race boons is understandable, if unfortunate from my perspective. Only allowing people who went through something nearly impossible to play a specific kind of creature is actually pretty neat. But having content that's exclusive to one event which is always held on the Eastern side of only one of the several continents upon which this game is played ... well, that's just lame. It unfairly privileges people based on disposable income, location, and availability. And I sincerely hope that's not where we're headed.
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Hm. I just made a post on this thread which is showing in my recent posts, but not on the thread. Let me try again.
I understood it's not going to be run ever ever, credit or no credit. Not even to be released for non-PFS home game use. Ever.I really hope you're wrong. If not, that means that my not being able to afford to fly 2,000 miles to an expensive event which is only held once a year and only in that one location prevents me from even reading what I missed, let alone ever playing it elsewhere.
Incentivizing con attendance with race boons is understandable, if unfortunate from my perspective. Only allowing people who went through something nearly impossible to play a specific kind of creature is actually pretty neat. But having content that's exclusive to one event which is always held on the Eastern side of only one of the several continents upon which this game is played ... well, that's just lame. It unfairly privileges people based on disposable income, location, and availability. And I sincerely hope that's not where we're headed.
I'm sorry you aren't able to make it to GenCon, I wasn't able to make it this year either and yes, I'm a sad bunny. However, having traveled to numberous small conventions over the past couple of years, it just simply isn't feasble to run a multi-part special like the one at Gencon. And if it was run multiple places it wouldn't be as special.
Making it exclusive to one specific venue allows them to pull out the uber special race like the goblin; does it suck that not everyone had a chance at the boon yep it does.. but not everyone is going to have the chance to fly to the moon, or climb Mt Everest and for those that want to and can't it also sucks.. but life goes on.
I'm not saying this to try and trivialize your feelings .. I'm with you on it sucks, but we all have to remember that it's not always going to be 100% fair across the board, there is always someone somewhere that is going to be left out of something cool; Fact of life in that at some point someone is going to be experienceing something that sucks, in this instance it's you and me and not getting a goblin boon.
To those that got them; congrats
To those that couldn't or didn't *raise glass* we'll get'em next time.
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On the other hand, aasimars, tieflings, and tengus all used to require a boon, and now they do not.
Perhaps goblins might one day (a season or two from now) become a GM boon, then sometime after that a rare player boon.
It seems to me that they want to release new races/archtypes/feats/abilities slowly. There's always a ton of backlash when they take something away, but it feels like a reward when they add something new.
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Akeela, a lot of the problem is the development time involved for a one-time event. Those resources are better spent on a scenario that can be played by everyone.
I suppose the question would be that in circumstances like this where the resources have already been used to create the two part special, why not let everyone play both parts? Now I already suspect what the answer is (they want something extra special for those who go to the big cons) and don't entirely disagree with it but I think it's a question worth asking none the less.
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There was a super-cool event at Paizo-Con and Paizo-Con UK, too. I wish I'd been there, but I wasn't.
There have been cool one-off things in the past, at both Paizo-Con and Gen Con (I missed the big Drow interactive, but helped GM the interactive the next year.) I missed the Paizo-Con event where player characters won things like Taldan titles of nobility.
This happens.
And here's my take on why you'll never see it in publication: it'll never be developed by the Paizo editing / layout team; they have too much real, paying product to worry about. Right now, Round 2 exists as a somewhat-formatted Word document. It has some color, some simple formatting, but it's a manuscript, the same as some of those previous special events were.
And Paizo doesn't publish things like that.
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Hm. I just made a post on this thread which is showing in my recent posts, but not on the thread. Let me try again.
I understood it's not going to be run ever ever, credit or no credit. Not even to be released for non-PFS home game use. Ever.I really hope you're wrong. If not, that means that my not being able to afford to fly 2,000 miles to an expensive event which is only held once a year and only in that one location prevents me from even reading what I missed, let alone ever playing it elsewhere.
Incentivizing con attendance with race boons is understandable, if unfortunate from my perspective. Only allowing people who went through something nearly impossible to play a specific kind of creature is actually pretty neat. But having content that's exclusive to one event which is always held on the Eastern side of only one of the several continents upon which this game is played ... well, that's just lame. It unfairly privileges people based on disposable income, location, and availability. And I sincerely hope that's not where we're headed.
The First part of the Special is Avab to the Venture Officers to run for now, In a year it will be released to the Public for use. Its only part 2 that will not be avab at all. So hopfully you a Con close by that a Venture officer will run the Special at.
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There was a super-cool event at Paizo-Con and Paizo-Con UK, too. I wish I'd been there, but I wasn't.
There have been cool one-off things in the past, at both Paizo-Con and Gen Con (I missed the big Drow interactive, but helped GM the interactive the next year.) I missed the Paizo-Con event where player characters won things like Taldan titles of nobility.
This happens.
And here's my take on why you'll never see it in publication: it'll never be developed by the Paizo editing / layout team; they have too much real, paying product to worry about. Right now, Round 2 exists as a somewhat-formatted Word document. It has some color, some simple formatting, but it's a manuscript, the same as some of those previous special events were.
And Paizo doesn't publish things like that.
Hadn't considered the formatting/layout thing, good point. Of course I've pulled off some great interactive type events that were being produced at Kinkos 15 minutes before slot start (no joke) but you're dead on. That's not Paizo's style nor do I wish it to become their style.
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On the other hand, aasimars, tieflings, and tengus all used to require a boon, and now they do not.
Perhaps goblins might one day (a season or two from now) become a GM boon, then sometime after that a rare player boon.
It seems to me that they want to release new races/archtypes/feats/abilities slowly. There's always a ton of backlash when they take something away, but it feels like a reward when they add something new.
This.
After playing 4-01 I have a bit of goblin love (there's a cream for that). I might want to play one (besides WBG) but I have tiefling and aasimar concepts to go through, and find some reason to get a play a chicken, er tengu.
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I for one enjoyed the concept of a second night that's exclusive. I understand more than most what a pain in the ass it was to pull off. I hope we do it again.
I liked the concept of a part 2 as well, and I liked that it was exclusive. It made it all the cooler to watch the players work their way through. Given some serious improvements and some safeguards like prepped backup GM's and so on, it could be a viable option in the future Mike willing...
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Akeela, a lot of the problem is the development time involved for a one-time event. Those resources are better spent on a scenario that can be played by everyone.I suppose the question would be that in circumstances like this where the resources have already been used to create the two part special, why not let everyone play both parts? Now I already suspect what the answer is (they want something extra special for those who go to the big cons) and don't entirely disagree with it but I think it's a question worth asking none the less.
Actually it should stay exclusive.
I didnt get to go to the con, but those folks that did, and survived part 2 deserve an exclusive reward. It should not be played again. Its part of the draw for conventions. The boon shouldnt be given out again either. I posted last year that a goblin boon should be given out but it should be to less than 50 ppl. They went with that.
Maybe next year the Thassalonian(Azlanti) race boon may be available to the select few who make it out of the 12+ tier in the Finale of Season 4 at Paizocon 2013. I believe Mike and Mark have the Season 4 story arc pretty much done conceptionally which was one of the reasons the Open Call was changed (no more shoe-horning scenarios). So their 'go to' folks have some time to work on the Grand Convocation 2013.
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But having content that's exclusive to one event which is always held on the Eastern side of only one of the several continents upon which this game is played ... well, that's just lame. It unfairly privileges people based on disposable income, location, and availability. And I sincerely hope that's not where we're headed.
I just want to point out that they've had exclusive content at Paizocon, that's not repeated, for years. If you want to go, then go, if not oh well.
Hardly anyone made it into part 2 anyway and almost everyone that did died (and died from being out of time). So unless you're an amazing gamer with a lot of luck, it's probably better that you missed it. I'm glad I missed it.
I'm guessing, but the reason they don't want to show you the scenario for part 2 is that it's probably just a Word document, very rough, and not edited to Paizo's standards.
Edit: Meh, this was already answered.
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I'm guessing, but the reason they don't want to show you the scenario for part 2 is that it's probably just a Word document, very rough, and not edited to Paizo's standards. Being a reasonable person, I completely understand.
Real subtle the way you called me unreasonable there. I almost missed it.
Look, I'm just saying, there's an awful lot of people who play this game, and a lot of them can't make it to GenCon. Why can't we level the playing field a bit?
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Look, I'm just saying, there's an awful lot of people who play this game, and a lot of them can't make it to GenCon. Why can't we level the playing field a bit?
Insult wasn't intended, so edited.
I think Chris and I were just pointing out why we're not getting the manuscript. It's about $$$. They would have to remove another scenario from their schedule to make part 2 a scenario also. So less scenarios for the majority of players to use, I can't see how that would be a good thing.
There will always be special things at big conventions, it's just a fact of life. Just pretend like the goblin chronicle doesn't exist, because for 99.99% of us, it doesn't.
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I'm confused...what are you asking for?
I'm asking to not be left feeling like I missed out forever because I can't make GenCon. Incentives are good. Exclusive perks are good. These are things that will make me want to come next year. Maybe some year I can even do so. But things like exclusive content that will NEVER EVAR BE REPEATED make me feel like if I don't attend every single con, I'm screwed. That's not cool.
Insult wasn't intended, so edited.
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There will always be special things at big conventions, it's just a fact of life. Just pretend like the goblin chronicle doesn't exist, because for 99.99% of us, it doesn't.
Fair enough. I'd edit too, but I missed the deadline.
As to the boon, that I don't care about. I know someone who got one, and I know she worked hard for it. But see above re: content.
Wouldn't be very "Special" then would it. Its a social game, and GC is the big event lots of people... there needs to be some draw to coming.
Because GenCon attendance was really slipping until Paizo decided to release exclusive content?
Come on, dude, people attend cons (and more to the point, play PFS at them) so they can get content before other people, and so they can get perks (i.e. race boons) that no one else can. They are also motivated, I daresay, by a desire to play in games run by the people who actually write them.
None of which is the same thing as refusing to ever publish "the deadliest scenario ever," which if you missed, oh well, sucks for you.